Gibbers, Gibbers, Gibbers!!!!

[Anonymous]

My kids' center used to allow this, but stop once it became a pyp school,

What is a pyp school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a GBRS related question, if you don't mind my piggy backing on this thread. My daughter received a GBRS score of 6, but high CogAT and WISC scores. She is not in FCPS, but has attended a catholic school since kindergarten and is now in second grade. Her catholic school teacher is not trained in how to complete the GBRS form. Does anyone know if the weight of the GBRS is conditional on who completes it (ie. FCPS vs non-FCPS)?

For what it's worth, in first grade she was evaluated for ADHD and received a high composite WISC score of 128 (97%). She did the CogAT and Naglieri testing via GMU in second grade and received (112, 135, 136; composite 134 (98%)) and 114 (81%) respectively.

Do you really think she would be happy in an AAP class? The ADHD + not-super-high scores + not amazing WISC would give me pause. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

This is OP --- what are super high scores? For CogAT? WISC? NNAT?

Found out that applicants with GBRS of 13+ are typically admitted to the program....not sure what the margin of error is on test scores..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For what it's worth, in first grade she was evaluated for ADHD and received a high composite WISC score of 128 (97%).

With ADHD kids, it is best to know the subscores versus just the composite score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a GBRS related question, if you don't mind my piggy backing on this thread. My daughter received a GBRS score of 6, but high CogAT and WISC scores. She is not in FCPS, but has attended a catholic school since kindergarten and is now in second grade. Her catholic school teacher is not trained in how to complete the GBRS form. Does anyone know if the weight of the GBRS is conditional on who completes it (ie. FCPS vs non-FCPS)?

For what it's worth, in first grade she was evaluated for ADHD and received a high composite WISC score of 128 (97%). She did the CogAT and Naglieri testing via GMU in second grade and received (112, 135, 136; composite 134 (98%)) and 114 (81%) respectively.

Do you really think she would be happy in an AAP class? The ADHD + not-super-high scores + not amazing WISC would give me pause. Sorry.

Wow! Kudos on the snark and for not addressing my question about FCPS vs non-FCPS. We would not have gone through that monster of a process and consider moving from a very good school if we did not think she would enjoy it. We're still not convinced we'll pull her if she qualifies for services. Her psychologist recommended it to us. She's a straight M student (highest grades in a catholic school setting). And most would consider the 98th and 97th percentile high scores. FCPS would have put her in the pool automatically.

[Anonymous]

97th and 98th percentiles are VERY high scores! Ignore the trolls

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a GBRS related question, if you don't mind my piggy backing on this thread. My daughter received a GBRS score of 6, but high CogAT and WISC scores. She is not in FCPS, but has attended a catholic school since kindergarten and is now in second grade. Her catholic school teacher is not trained in how to complete the GBRS form. Does anyone know if the weight of the GBRS is conditional on who completes it (ie. FCPS vs non-FCPS)?

For what it's worth, in first grade she was evaluated for ADHD and received a high composite WISC score of 128 (97%). She did the CogAT and Naglieri testing via GMU in second grade and received (112, 135, 136; composite 134 (98%)) and 114 (81%) respectively.

Do you really think she would be happy in an AAP class? The ADHD + not-super-high scores + not amazing WISC would give me pause. Sorry.

Wow! Kudos on the snark and for not addressing my question about FCPS vs non-FCPS. We would not have gone through that monster of a process and consider moving from a very good school if we did not think she would enjoy it. We're still not convinced we'll pull her if she qualifies for services. Her psychologist recommended it to us. She's a straight M student (highest grades in a catholic school setting). And most would consider the 98th and 97th percentile high scores. FCPS would have put her in the pool automatically.

Long shot. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:

My kids' center used to allow this, but stop once it became a pyp school,

What is a pyp school?

It's the International Baccalaureate's Primary Years Program. Belvedere is the only school in FCPS that has it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a GBRS related question, if you don't mind my piggy backing on this thread. My daughter received a GBRS score of 6, but high CogAT and WISC scores. She is not in FCPS, but has attended a catholic school since kindergarten and is now in second grade. Her catholic school teacher is not trained in how to complete the GBRS form. Does anyone know if the weight of the GBRS is conditional on who completes it (ie. FCPS vs non-FCPS)?

For what it's worth, in first grade she was evaluated for ADHD and received a high composite WISC score of 128 (97%). She did the CogAT and Naglieri testing via GMU in second grade and received (112, 135, 136; composite 134 (98%)) and 114 (81%) respectively.

Ignore the trolls. The CogAT and WISC are very good scores. But it may not be a slam dunk because of the GBRS. IMO, it will be the comments that might be more telling than the actual number score. As you say, the committee may understand that a non-FCPS teacher isn't as well-versed in using the form itself. Did you submit the WISC with the application? Any supplemental materials? If you need to appeal, you should consider writing a letter outlining why your child needs AAP. Don't say "the GBRS is wrong", but discuss the kinds of behaviors listed in the GBRS and give very specific examples of how your daughter demonstrates them. You can also find other criteria of "gifted" by searching Google. Just be sure you give strong examples of the behaviors your daughter exhibits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a GBRS related question, if you don't mind my piggy backing on this thread. My daughter received a GBRS score of 6, but high CogAT and WISC scores. She is not in FCPS, but has attended a catholic school since kindergarten and is now in second grade. Her catholic school teacher is not trained in how to complete the GBRS form. Does anyone know if the weight of the GBRS is conditional on who completes it (ie. FCPS vs non-FCPS)?

For what it's worth, in first grade she was evaluated for ADHD and received a high composite WISC score of 128 (97%). She did the CogAT and Naglieri testing via GMU in second grade and received (112, 135, 136; composite 134 (98%)) and 114 (81%) respectively.

Ignore the trolls. The CogAT and WISC are very good scores. But it may not be a slam dunk because of the GBRS. IMO, it will be the comments that might be more telling than the actual number score. As you say, the committee may understand that a non-FCPS teacher isn't as well-versed in using the form itself. Did you submit the WISC with the application? Any supplemental materials? If you need to appeal, you should consider writing a letter outlining why your child needs AAP. Don't say "the GBRS is wrong", but discuss the kinds of behaviors listed in the GBRS and give very specific examples of how your daughter demonstrates them. You can also find other criteria of "gifted" by searching Google. Just be sure you give strong examples of the behaviors your daughter exhibits.

Well stated - ignore the trolls, the test scores are strong on GBRS you can always supplement GBRS evidence that you've seen, in case you need to appeal. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a GBRS related question, if you don't mind my piggy backing on this thread. My daughter received a GBRS score of 6, but high CogAT and WISC scores. She is not in FCPS, but has attended a catholic school since kindergarten and is now in second grade. Her catholic school teacher is not trained in how to complete the GBRS form. Does anyone know if the weight of the GBRS is conditional on who completes it (ie. FCPS vs non-FCPS)?

For what it's worth, in first grade she was evaluated for ADHD and received a high composite WISC score of 128 (97%). She did the CogAT and Naglieri testing via GMU in second grade and received (112, 135, 136; composite 134 (98%)) and 114 (81%) respectively.

Ignore the trolls. The CogAT and WISC are very good scores. But it may not be a slam dunk because of the GBRS. IMO, it will be the comments that might be more telling than the actual number score. As you say, the committee may understand that a non-FCPS teacher isn't as well-versed in using the form itself. Did you submit the WISC with the application? Any supplemental materials? If you need to appeal, you should consider writing a letter outlining why your child needs AAP. Don't say "the GBRS is wrong", but discuss the kinds of behaviors listed in the GBRS and give very specific examples of how your daughter demonstrates them. You can also find other criteria of "gifted" by searching Google. Just be sure you give strong examples of the behaviors your daughter exhibits.

Well stated - ignore the trolls, the test scores are strong on GBRS you can always supplement GBRS evidence that you've seen, in case you need to appeal. Good luck!

I wouldn't call a poster who saying that getting in is a long shot when the kid got a 6 GBRS from a private school is a "troll." Most people believe that nonFCPS teachers are more generous with the GBRS reporting. That isn't to say that the child doesn't have a chance, but you can simply disagree. It doesn't mean that they are just making nonsense up - there is a valid reason for thinking the child won't get in. Her NNAT is mediocre, her GBRS is extremely low and one area of the CogAT is significantly lower than the others. The other test scores are high (though the WISC isn't through the roof.) I think it will be largely dependent on commentary and work samples.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: If you need to appeal, you should consider writing a letter outlining why your child needs AAP. Don't say "the GBRS is wrong", but discuss the kinds of behaviors listed in the GBRS and give very specific examples of how your daughter demonstrates them. You can also find other criteria of "gifted" by searching Google. Just be sure you give strong examples of the behaviors your daughter exhibits.

This isn't bad advice, but such a letter probably won't carry much weight. Let's face it, there are plenty of parents who are so intent on getting their kids into AAP that they will stretch the truth, if not downright lie, about their kids' "gifted" behavior and abilities. The AAP screening committee knows how non-objective parents can be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: If you need to appeal, you should consider writing a letter outlining why your child needs AAP. Don't say "the GBRS is wrong", but discuss the kinds of behaviors listed in the GBRS and give very specific examples of how your daughter demonstrates them. You can also find other criteria of "gifted" by searching Google. Just be sure you give strong examples of the behaviors your daughter exhibits.

This isn't bad advice, but such a letter probably won't carry much weight. Let's face it, there are plenty of parents who are so intent on getting their kids into AAP that they will stretch the truth, if not downright lie, about their kids' "gifted" behavior and abilities. The AAP screening committee knows how non-objective parents can be.

And this includes making up examples.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But it's only once a week, right? i have a sneaking suspicion that, given DDs test scores and GBRS, that she will either get language arts push-in or weekly level III sessions with AART....or perhaps both..does that ever happen?

[Anonymous]

Could anyone please describe the level IV curriculum?