Why do we feed teachers for "staff appreciation" when we have so many families below poverty level?

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" If any of this work at home, either by teachers or other professionals, is considered by the employer to be part of the actual hours worked, it is included in the BLS figures. It is possible that teachers, as well as other professionals, put in some hours at home that are not captured in these numbers, but those hours would not be considered required for their jobs and thus are not part of their paid employment."

This Manhattan institute study clearly ignores the much greater likelihood of teachers to bring work home and the much lower likelihood that their employer counts that home time as "part of the job" even though it clearly is.

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Anonymous wrote:Because teachers are a sacred cow. Just watch how many people are going to jump on you for asking this question.

Teachers are paid very fairly (on par with most other well-paid professionals when you compare hour-to-hour), have great work schedules, and good job stability. I am sick of their martyrdom and everyone else's putting them on a pedestal.

I'm curious. I'm a teacher. I make $80K for 11 months of 60 hours a week, so the equivalent of another profession which pays around $88K for 12 months.

I read on DCUM all the time about how salaries under $100K aren't "middle class". Which other professions do you consider "well-paid" which require advanced degrees, professional certifications, consistent unpaid overtime, and pay under $100K for someone with 20+ years of experience, in this area?

The only one sounding like a martyr here is the poster complaining about staff appreciation days. If you don't want to participate, don't. I bet you're a lousy tipper, too! LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Why do PTSAs demand pies for teachers on Pi Day, and on staff appreciation day and on ... . Well, you get my drift. I see this at a school where many kids are supposedly without the means to have a good meal. So, teachers why don't you tell our PTSA people to make a difference by feeding the needy?

OP, if you think that the PTA should provide food support for the poor families instead of staff appreciation lunches, then join the PTA and start organizing food support for the poor families.

Or, if that's too much work, then just ignore the PTAs' messages about staff appreciation lunches.

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Anonymous wrote:[

This is why you'll see revolving doors in this profession - more than you've seen in the past. If you have young kids, hope and pray that there's enough stability in this profession to ensure your children get a solid education.

My "boss," who's half my age, is a disaster. He can't control his low level kids and isn't challenging his high level students. I know b/c they come back to me to complain.

On the flip side, there are some young, dedicated individuals (early to mid-30s) who can't take the pressure of being sandwiched between under-performing or enabled kids and their parents. Add an unsupported layer of admin to the mix, and you're driving off some talented individuals.

So once the "sacred cows" like me leave, you'll see how quickly the profession deteriorates. And you can only thank yourself for being such an ignorant bitch.

We're homeschooling thanks to the poor quality of teachers/education/administration we saw in both public and private schools. No hoping or praying involved. The system isn't working.

Mass schooling already has deteriorated - I hate to tell you. Too crappy of parents, too much mainstreaming and focusing disproportionate amounts of resources on the kids least likely to achieve, too much job security for teachers/admin, too many unions.

The model just doesn't work today. Most of that isn't teachers, but some of it is (usually under the direction of their union).

+1 million

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We're homeschooling thanks to the poor quality of teachers/education/administration we saw in both public and private schools. No hoping or praying involved. The system isn't working.

Mass schooling already has deteriorated - I hate to tell you. Too crappy of parents, too much mainstreaming and focusing disproportionate amounts of resources on the kids least likely to achieve, too much job security for teachers/admin, too many unions.

The model just doesn't work today. Most of that isn't teachers, but some of it is (usually under the direction of their union).

That way, when you want to know whom to blame for the poor quality of the teachers/education/administration for your child/children, you can just look in the mirror. Very efficient.

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Anonymous wrote:" If any of this work at home, either by teachers or other professionals, is considered by the employer to be part of the actual hours worked, it is included in the BLS figures. It is possible that teachers, as well as other professionals, put in some hours at home that are not captured in these numbers, but those hours would not be considered required for their jobs and thus are not part of their paid employment."

This Manhattan institute study clearly ignores the much greater likelihood of teachers to bring work home and the much lower likelihood that their employer counts that home time as "part of the job" even though it clearly is.

I dispute your claim that teachers are more likely than other profession to put in at home or after hours work. Source? No anecdotes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" If any of this work at home, either by teachers or other professionals, is considered by the employer to be part of the actual hours worked, it is included in the BLS figures. It is possible that teachers, as well as other professionals, put in some hours at home that are not captured in these numbers, but those hours would not be considered required for their jobs and thus are not part of their paid employment."

This Manhattan institute study clearly ignores the much greater likelihood of teachers to bring work home and the much lower likelihood that their employer counts that home time as "part of the job" even though it clearly is.

I dispute your claim that teachers are more likely than other profession to put in at home or after hours work. Source? No anecdotes.

My friend is MS teacher, she routinely grades papers on weekends (3-4 hour each day, including input in computer system). With all the lab set ups (science teacher), training and other BS during the normal workhours there is not enough time in the day. Granted, she takes time to write short blurbs if the student did great work, needs improvement in an area, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" If any of this work at home, either by teachers or other professionals, is considered by the employer to be part of the actual hours worked, it is included in the BLS figures. It is possible that teachers, as well as other professionals, put in some hours at home that are not captured in these numbers, but those hours would not be considered required for their jobs and thus are not part of their paid employment."

This Manhattan institute study clearly ignores the much greater likelihood of teachers to bring work home and the much lower likelihood that their employer counts that home time as "part of the job" even though it clearly is.

I dispute your claim that teachers are more likely than other profession to put in at home or after hours work. Source? No anecdotes.

My friend is MS teacher, she routinely grades papers on weekends (3-4 hour each day, including input in computer system). With all the lab set ups (science teacher), training and other BS during the normal workhours there is not enough time in the day. Granted, she takes time to write short blurbs if the student did great work, needs improvement in an area, etc.

Missed that part didn't you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" If any of this work at home, either by teachers or other professionals, is considered by the employer to be part of the actual hours worked, it is included in the BLS figures. It is possible that teachers, as well as other professionals, put in some hours at home that are not captured in these numbers, but those hours would not be considered required for their jobs and thus are not part of their paid employment."

This Manhattan institute study clearly ignores the much greater likelihood of teachers to bring work home and the much lower likelihood that their employer counts that home time as "part of the job" even though it clearly is.

I dispute your claim that teachers are more likely than other profession to put in at home or after hours work. Source? No anecdotes.

My friend is MS teacher, she routinely grades papers on weekends (3-4 hour each day, including input in computer system). With all the lab set ups (science teacher), training and other BS during the normal workhours there is not enough time in the day. Granted, she takes time to write short blurbs if the student did great work, needs improvement in an area, etc.

Missed that part didn't you?

Actually, I didnt. We spend most of weekends together (playdates) and that is what she does, so I witness it firsthand.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" If any of this work at home, either by teachers or other professionals, is considered by the employer to be part of the actual hours worked, it is included in the BLS figures. It is possible that teachers, as well as other professionals, put in some hours at home that are not captured in these numbers, but those hours would not be considered required for their jobs and thus are not part of their paid employment."

This Manhattan institute study clearly ignores the much greater likelihood of teachers to bring work home and the much lower likelihood that their employer counts that home time as "part of the job" even though it clearly is.

I dispute your claim that teachers are more likely than other profession to put in at home or after hours work. Source? No anecdotes.

My friend is MS teacher, she routinely grades papers on weekends (3-4 hour each day, including input in computer system). With all the lab set ups (science teacher), training and other BS during the normal workhours there is not enough time in the day. Granted, she takes time to write short blurbs if the student did great work, needs improvement in an area, etc.

Missed that part didn't you?

Actually, I didnt. We spend most of weekends together (playdates) and that is what she does, so I witness it firsthand.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Virtually every professional I know, including me, puts in evening and weekend hours to get work done.

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Anonymous wrote:Who can't buy a pie?

Me for one. But, there are some inexpensive things people can make for these type of events. Brownies for one - you can buy a mix for $1 and add oil and an egg. I actually think that given that we do teacher appreciation days (and I am not commenting on my feeling about them), asking for baked goods is a way that most everyone can participate.

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Anonymous wrote:Who can't buy a pie?

Me for one. But, there are some inexpensive things people can make for these type of events. Brownies for one - you can buy a mix for $1 and add oil and an egg. I actually think that given that we do teacher appreciation days (and I am not commenting on my feeling about them), asking for baked goods is a way that most everyone can participate.

I wish someone would bring baked goods and lunch to my office several times a year. Maybe teachers could get together and have a baking evening - heck, they have plenty of time in the evenings, what with not needing to take care of their kids; make dinner; or do take-home work of any kind.

/sarcasm

It is not easy for everyone to bake (or cook lunch), nor is it convenient for everyone to drop food off at whatever the designated time is for these things. I resent being asked to provide food routinely to people who are workers just as I am, and whose lives pose the same challenges mine does. So, I don't participate. Twice a year (holidays and June) I give teachers gifts and thank-you notes for what they do for my child.

Enough already.

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If they can't afford to contribute financially why don't they contribute some time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they can't afford to contribute financially why don't they contribute some time?

I could use some help at my office too.

Seriously, why can't we just expect that teachers will do their jobs? Why do we have to fall all over ourselves contributing food, time, money? Is there something sacred about teachers that makes people think that we must do this?