What are "hooks"?

[Anonymous]

An affirmative action study by Princeton researchers in 2005 attempted to break down and compare the effects of the practice among racial and special groups. The data from the study represent admissions disadvantage and advantage in terms of SAT points (on 1600-point scale):

* Blacks: +230
* Hispanics: +185
* Asians: ?50
* Recruited athletes: +200
* Legacies (children of alumni): +160

I would think that Harvard would be similar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An affirmative action study by Princeton researchers in 2005 attempted to break down and compare the effects of the practice among racial and special groups. The data from the study represent admissions disadvantage and advantage in terms of SAT points (on 1600-point scale):

* Blacks: +230
* Hispanics: +185
* Asians: ?50
* Recruited athletes: +200
* Legacies (children of alumni): +160

I would think that Harvard would be similar.

Asian is -50.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's more than simply academics, location, legacy and sports.

Your child can create his/her own "hook" by being interested in something, such as robotics or environmental education or late 17th century Flemish painting. Get an internship in his/her area of interest, do something related in school, go to summer programs in that area, get a part-time job, create a research project, etc. Build a resume.

I know this works. A friend's daughter got into every college she applied to because she created her own hook. She had an A- average at a good private school, and decent but not fabulous SATs. White, upper middle class female from large East Coast urban area. Nothing special about her. But she had a very specialized interest, got a great internship, did research projects in her area of interest. On her application, she told colleges that particular area was what she wanted to study and why she wanted to go to that college. She got into every college she applied to, including Harvard, where she went.

This kid had no legacy, and she even got FA from Harvard. In the end, she didn't even study her area of interest becuase at Harvard, she found a subject area that interested her more.

I imagine this approach can help pretty much every run of the mill average kid who, like many, doesn't have a clue what he/she wants to do in college or life, has ho-hum grades and stats. It will make your kid stand out from the crowd of average Joe's and Julias.

But see you don’t have to do all this stuff if you have a “hook.”

Conversely, if you don’t have a hook, you will have to do stuff like this to stand out from the crowd,

So, by your logic all 3,700 AA kids applying to Harvard this year are a "lock" for admissions. The 200 that are actually granted acceptance are simply chosen from a hat, because none of them were class valedictorians, Presidential Scholars, award winning poets, or world class jazz musicians (all of whom were in my class while there). Catch up with the time.

No by my logic very few of them (far less than 200 even) would have gotten in without their URM hook. in they weren’t AA.

Keep spewing racist nonsense.

It's been shown if hyps practiced race netural admissions like under a prop 209 system, urm enrollment would be decimated.

I will tell that to my AA friend going to Harvard with 2380 SATs, the highest GPA in her high school class, 7 AP 5's, straight 800s on SSATs, amath team captain and two sport team captain. She will get a kick out of your ignorant opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's more than simply academics, location, legacy and sports.

Your child can create his/her own "hook" by being interested in something, such as robotics or environmental education or late 17th century Flemish painting. Get an internship in his/her area of interest, do something related in school, go to summer programs in that area, get a part-time job, create a research project, etc. Build a resume.

I know this works. A friend's daughter got into every college she applied to because she created her own hook. She had an A- average at a good private school, and decent but not fabulous SATs. White, upper middle class female from large East Coast urban area. Nothing special about her. But she had a very specialized interest, got a great internship, did research projects in her area of interest. On her application, she told colleges that particular area was what she wanted to study and why she wanted to go to that college. She got into every college she applied to, including Harvard, where she went.

This kid had no legacy, and she even got FA from Harvard. In the end, she didn't even study her area of interest becuase at Harvard, she found a subject area that interested her more.

I imagine this approach can help pretty much every run of the mill average kid who, like many, doesn't have a clue what he/she wants to do in college or life, has ho-hum grades and stats. It will make your kid stand out from the crowd of average Joe's and Julias.

But see you don’t have to do all this stuff if you have a “hook.”

Conversely, if you don’t have a hook, you will have to do stuff like this to stand out from the crowd,

So, by your logic all 3,700 AA kids applying to Harvard this year are a "lock" for admissions. The 200 that are actually granted acceptance are simply chosen from a hat, because none of them were class valedictorians, Presidential Scholars, award winning poets, or world class jazz musicians (all of whom were in my class while there). Catch up with the time.

No by my logic very few of them (far less than 200 even) would have gotten in without their URM hook. in they weren’t AA.

Keep spewing racist nonsense.

It's been shown if hyps practiced race netural admissions like under a prop 209 system, urm enrollment would be decimated.

I will tell that to my AA friend going to Harvard with 2380 SATs, the highest GPA in her high school class, 7 AP 5's, straight 800s on SSATs, amath team captain and two sport team captain. She will get a kick out of your ignorant opinion.

Of course that probably describes a lot of the applicants to Harvard including many who are rejected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:AAs will always believe their merit got them in. Most non-AAs would never believe that.

You are speaking for yourself, not "most" non-AAs. And you are a racist.

What's the matter? Can't handle the truth?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:something the college wants - athlete, URM, legacy with big $, first in family to go to college, from Nebraska.

What is not a hook - being a rich white kid from MD, NJ, NY, MA.

even worse - being Asian kid with high stats from this area.

Agreed. Being an Asian kid with excellent GPA, SATs, AP/IB and EC means nothing because it is just a result of genetic and racial advantage.

It is assumed that hard work, brains and ambition had nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:AAs will always believe their merit got them in. Most non-AAs would never believe that.

You are speaking for yourself, not "most" non-AAs. And you are a racist.

What's the matter? Can't handle the truth?

What experience in your lifetime scarred you so much? Are you still smarting from your own rejection by these schools? How long have you been harboring these personal doubts?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's more than simply academics, location, legacy and sports.

Your child can create his/her own "hook" by being interested in something, such as robotics or environmental education or late 17th century Flemish painting. Get an internship in his/her area of interest, do something related in school, go to summer programs in that area, get a part-time job, create a research project, etc. Build a resume.

I know this works. A friend's daughter got into every college she applied to because she created her own hook. She had an A- average at a good private school, and decent but not fabulous SATs. White, upper middle class female from large East Coast urban area. Nothing special about her. But she had a very specialized interest, got a great internship, did research projects in her area of interest. On her application, she told colleges that particular area was what she wanted to study and why she wanted to go to that college. She got into every college she applied to, including Harvard, where she went.

This kid had no legacy, and she even got FA from Harvard. In the end, she didn't even study her area of interest becuase at Harvard, she found a subject area that interested her more.

I imagine this approach can help pretty much every run of the mill average kid who, like many, doesn't have a clue what he/she wants to do in college or life, has ho-hum grades and stats. It will make your kid stand out from the crowd of average Joe's and Julias.

But see you don’t have to do all this stuff if you have a “hook.”

Conversely, if you don’t have a hook, you will have to do stuff like this to stand out from the crowd,

So, by your logic all 3,700 AA kids applying to Harvard this year are a "lock" for admissions. The 200 that are actually granted acceptance are simply chosen from a hat, because none of them were class valedictorians, Presidential Scholars, award winning poets, or world class jazz musicians (all of whom were in my class while there). Catch up with the time.

No by my logic very few of them (far less than 200 even) would have gotten in without their URM hook. in they weren’t AA.

Keep spewing racist nonsense.

It's been shown if hyps practiced race netural admissions like under a prop 209 system, urm enrollment would be decimated.

I will tell that to my AA friend going to Harvard with 2380 SATs, the highest GPA in her high school class, 7 AP 5's, straight 800s on SSATs, amath team captain and two sport team captain. She will get a kick out of your ignorant opinion.

Assuming this is real, your friend would probably have a pretty good chance of getting in, but let's be honest; there are probably a handful of AA kids each year with stats like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's more than simply academics, location, legacy and sports.

Your child can create his/her own "hook" by being interested in something, such as robotics or environmental education or late 17th century Flemish painting. Get an internship in his/her area of interest, do something related in school, go to summer programs in that area, get a part-time job, create a research project, etc. Build a resume.

I know this works. A friend's daughter got into every college she applied to because she created her own hook. She had an A- average at a good private school, and decent but not fabulous SATs. White, upper middle class female from large East Coast urban area. Nothing special about her. But she had a very specialized interest, got a great internship, did research projects in her area of interest. On her application, she told colleges that particular area was what she wanted to study and why she wanted to go to that college. She got into every college she applied to, including Harvard, where she went.

This kid had no legacy, and she even got FA from Harvard. In the end, she didn't even study her area of interest becuase at Harvard, she found a subject area that interested her more.

I imagine this approach can help pretty much every run of the mill average kid who, like many, doesn't have a clue what he/she wants to do in college or life, has ho-hum grades and stats. It will make your kid stand out from the crowd of average Joe's and Julias.

But see you don’t have to do all this stuff if you have a “hook.”

Conversely, if you don’t have a hook, you will have to do stuff like this to stand out from the crowd,

So, by your logic all 3,700 AA kids applying to Harvard this year are a "lock" for admissions. The 200 that are actually granted acceptance are simply chosen from a hat, because none of them were class valedictorians, Presidential Scholars, award winning poets, or world class jazz musicians (all of whom were in my class while there). Catch up with the time.

No by my logic very few of them (far less than 200 even) would have gotten in without their URM hook. in they weren’t AA.

Keep spewing racist nonsense.

It's been shown if hyps practiced race netural admissions like under a prop 209 system, urm enrollment would be decimated.

I will tell that to my AA friend going to Harvard with 2380 SATs, the highest GPA in her high school class, 7 AP 5's, straight 800s on SSATs, amath team captain and two sport team captain. She will get a kick out of your ignorant opinion.

Assuming this is real, your friend would probably have a pretty good chance of getting in, but let's be honest; there are probably a handful of AA kids each year with stats like that.

Real as can be, and I know several other kids in DC alone who are pretty comparable. You all need to dust off your Jim Crow era understanding of the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's more than simply academics, location, legacy and sports.

Your child can create his/her own "hook" by being interested in something, such as robotics or environmental education or late 17th century Flemish painting. Get an internship in his/her area of interest, do something related in school, go to summer programs in that area, get a part-time job, create a research project, etc. Build a resume.

I know this works. A friend's daughter got into every college she applied to because she created her own hook. She had an A- average at a good private school, and decent but not fabulous SATs. White, upper middle class female from large East Coast urban area. Nothing special about her. But she had a very specialized interest, got a great internship, did research projects in her area of interest. On her application, she told colleges that particular area was what she wanted to study and why she wanted to go to that college. She got into every college she applied to, including Harvard, where she went.

This kid had no legacy, and she even got FA from Harvard. In the end, she didn't even study her area of interest becuase at Harvard, she found a subject area that interested her more.

I imagine this approach can help pretty much every run of the mill average kid who, like many, doesn't have a clue what he/she wants to do in college or life, has ho-hum grades and stats. It will make your kid stand out from the crowd of average Joe's and Julias.

But see you don’t have to do all this stuff if you have a “hook.”

Conversely, if you don’t have a hook, you will have to do stuff like this to stand out from the crowd,

So, by your logic all 3,700 AA kids applying to Harvard this year are a "lock" for admissions. The 200 that are actually granted acceptance are simply chosen from a hat, because none of them were class valedictorians, Presidential Scholars, award winning poets, or world class jazz musicians (all of whom were in my class while there). Catch up with the time.

No by my logic very few of them (far less than 200 even) would have gotten in without their URM hook. in they weren’t AA.

Keep spewing racist nonsense.

It's been shown if hyps practiced race netural admissions like under a prop 209 system, urm enrollment would be decimated.

I will tell that to my AA friend going to Harvard with 2380 SATs, the highest GPA in her high school class, 7 AP 5's, straight 800s on SSATs, amath team captain and two sport team captain. She will get a kick out of your ignorant opinion.

Assuming this is real, your friend would probably have a pretty good chance of getting in, but let's be honest; there are probably a handful of AA kids each year with stats like that.

WTF does that mean, assuming this is real? You give away your prejudice before you get to your main statement, discrediting everything tha follows.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAs will always believe their merit got them in. Most non-AAs would never believe that.

You are speaking for yourself, not "most" non-AAs. And you are a racist.

What's the matter? Can't handle the truth?

What experience in your lifetime scarred you so much? Are you still smarting from your own rejection by these schools? How long have you been harboring these personal doubts?

Or, it could just be from having a small penis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An affirmative action study by Princeton researchers in 2005 attempted to break down and compare the effects of the practice among racial and special groups. The data from the study represent admissions disadvantage and advantage in terms of SAT points (on 1600-point scale):

* Blacks: +230
* Hispanics: +185
* Asians: ?50
* Recruited athletes: +200
* Legacies (children of alumni): +160

I would think that Harvard would be similar.

Princeton has a long history of being unwelcome to AAs (and rarely the first choice for top AA students), although I think that it has gotten better lately. These are the best stats that I could find for Harvard:

http://features.thecrimson.com/2014/freshman-survey/admissions/

[Anonymous]

Under represented minorities have to compete with other under represented minorities. Their average SATs are lower because they tend to have lower average SATs as a group. The Harvard Crimson released their application statistics and the racial breakdown closely mirrored the racial breakdown of each class (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/2/6/admissions-applications-2019-record-high/ compare with https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics). They might be a few percentage points off but the difference is negligible.

The bottom line is: that black girl who got in didn't take your white son's spot, some other white guy did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Geography can be important, to publics as well as privates. Virginia DD got a sweet deal of 1/2 tuition to attend a New England public. Don't necessarily try to go to the same schools as everyone else you know. A unique applicant may mean you have a (slight) hook.

Yep. Kids from this area do well in admissions to many midwestern and plains state colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's more than simply academics, location, legacy and sports.

Your child can create his/her own "hook" by being interested in something, such as robotics or environmental education or late 17th century Flemish painting. Get an internship in his/her area of interest, do something related in school, go to summer programs in that area, get a part-time job, create a research project, etc. Build a resume.

I know this works. A friend's daughter got into every college she applied to because she created her own hook. She had an A- average at a good private school, and decent but not fabulous SATs. White, upper middle class female from large East Coast urban area. Nothing special about her. But she had a very specialized interest, got a great internship, did research projects in her area of interest. On her application, she told colleges that particular area was what she wanted to study and why she wanted to go to that college. She got into every college she applied to, including Harvard, where she went.

This kid had no legacy, and she even got FA from Harvard. In the end, she didn't even study her area of interest becuase at Harvard, she found a subject area that interested her more.

I imagine this approach can help pretty much every run of the mill average kid who, like many, doesn't have a clue what he/she wants to do in college or life, has ho-hum grades and stats. It will make your kid stand out from the crowd of average Joe's and Julias.

I know of five kids who got into top colleges because they played in youth symphonies and had established themselves musically. Not a one of these kids is a music major but plays in the college symphony. There are all kinds of 'hooks.'

I have a friend whose kid went to college on a bagpipe scholarship, believe it or not. They wanted a bagpiper, badly.