Colgate v Middlebury....not academics!

[Anonymous]

Colgate is a Midd backup school.

NESCAC schools are less attractive because people don't want to pay $240k for their child's undergrad education. It's no longer a golden ticket to the UMC lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colgate is a Midd backup school.

NESCAC schools are less attractive because people don't want to pay $240k for their child's undergrad education. It's no longer a golden ticket to the UMC lifestyle.

What's the UMC lifestyle?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like its hard to beat the more personalized teaching one can receive at the SLAC. 17 kids in a class v. 300? It just is hard to be convinced that large classes are good. Found pp interesting that a professor is urging HIS/HER kids to go SLAC!

But, the drawback is the price. We visited a few for applications next year. They are preaching that financial aid "flows". Note, however, that Colgate is NOT need blind.....go figure.

Yes. The problem is the price! People can go on for hours and talk about how wonderful LACs are but in a few years it will be $70,000 a year. That is nuts. Most students will be better off at Flagships where there is plenty of opportunity to be had.

If you went to a LAC you'd know it is flagship not Flagship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like its hard to beat the more personalized teaching one can receive at the SLAC. 17 kids in a class v. 300? It just is hard to be convinced that large classes are good. Found pp interesting that a professor is urging HIS/HER kids to go SLAC!

But, the drawback is the price. We visited a few for applications next year. They are preaching that financial aid "flows". Note, however, that Colgate is NOT need blind.....go figure.

Yes. The problem is the price! People can go on for hours and talk about how wonderful LACs are but in a few years it will be $70,000 a year. That is nuts. Most students will be better off at Flagships where there is plenty of opportunity to be had.

If you went to a LAC you'd know it is flagship not Flagship.

And before you go off, that's the difference between a white shoe company and hanging a shingle in Thurmont.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like its hard to beat the more personalized teaching one can receive at the SLAC. 17 kids in a class v. 300? It just is hard to be convinced that large classes are good. Found pp interesting that a professor is urging HIS/HER kids to go SLAC!

But, the drawback is the price. We visited a few for applications next year. They are preaching that financial aid "flows". Note, however, that Colgate is NOT need blind.....go figure.

Yes. The problem is the price! People can go on for hours and talk about how wonderful LACs are but in a few years it will be $70,000 a year. That is nuts. Most students will be better off at Flagships where there is plenty of opportunity to be had.

If you went to a LAC you'd know it is flagship not Flagship.

Sorry. I did not go to either. I went to nursing school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colgate is a Midd backup school.

NESCAC schools are less attractive because people don't want to pay $240k for their child's undergrad education. It's no longer a golden ticket to the UMC lifestyle.

What's the UMC lifestyle?

Upper middle class

[Anonymous]

Midd is tough to get into....not sure why its such a big draw....but the post didn't want academics .....we visited both schools....Midd Kids a bit more crunchy but Colgate is a fall back to MIdd....the Colgate kids were really pretty close in character/behavior etc. Really can't pass judgment on scholastics

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Anonymous wrote:Midd is tough to get into....not sure why its such a big draw....but the post didn't want academics .....we visited both schools....Midd Kids a bit more crunchy but Colgate is a fall back to MIdd....the Colgate kids were really pretty close in character/behavior etc. Really can't pass judgment on scholastics

Great programs.
Great academic and recreational facilities.
Beautiful campus and setting.
Etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colgate is a Midd backup school.

NESCAC schools are less attractive because people don't want to pay $240k for their child's undergrad education. It's no longer a golden ticket to the UMC lifestyle.

I agree with your second statement 100%, but not your first.

Are acceptance rates and/or strength of matriculating students falling? Because that's the test for your first statement.

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Anonymous wrote:If they lowered the price tag people would see more of the value in LACs. (this goes for larger colleges also)It is like anything. You can only spend so much on a house or a car. If the price point becomes too high, people walk away and look for better deals in their price range. We can't all live in the Hamptons as nice as it is!

Sorry but plenty of people can afford it. That's why applications are up at competitive LAC's. The full-pay parents are also enabling many students with limited means to attend. What applies to you doesn't apply to all. Don't kid yourself.

That is right. They are more like boarding schools now. They are for the very rich and the scholarship students. They are not priced for the average family.

They were never priced for the average family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they lowered the price tag people would see more of the value in LACs. (this goes for larger colleges also)It is like anything. You can only spend so much on a house or a car. If the price point becomes too high, people walk away and look for better deals in their price range. We can't all live in the Hamptons as nice as it is!

Sorry but plenty of people can afford it. That's why applications are up at competitive LAC's. The full-pay parents are also enabling many students with limited means to attend. What applies to you doesn't apply to all. Don't kid yourself.

That is right. They are more like boarding schools now. They are for the very rich and the scholarship students. They are not priced for the average family.

They were never priced for the average family.

Yes, but it used to be closer due to many economic factors.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they lowered the price tag people would see more of the value in LACs. (this goes for larger colleges also)It is like anything. You can only spend so much on a house or a car. If the price point becomes too high, people walk away and look for better deals in their price range. We can't all live in the Hamptons as nice as it is!

Sorry but plenty of people can afford it. That's why applications are up at competitive LAC's. The full-pay parents are also enabling many students with limited means to attend. What applies to you doesn't apply to all. Don't kid yourself.

That is right. They are more like boarding schools now. They are for the very rich and the scholarship students. They are not priced for the average family.

They were never priced for the average family.

Yes, but it used to be closer due to many economic factors.

With all of their talk about financial aid...they certainly hold themselves out as being for the "average family" even though they really don't....

[Anonymous]

Colgate is preppy. Midd is crunchy.

[Anonymous]

Colgate seems to be more athletic more "jockey' as my D would put it. She liked it a lot but did not like the isolated location so ruled it out, ditto Middlebury, we didn't even look at it...its very very small. And I think attracts a more granola kind of kids Think both are great academic schools though....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colgate is preppy. Midd is crunchy.

Midd has preppy types and granola types. At least, it did ten years ago.