What's the point of getting an annulment?

[Anonymous]

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I can't fathom how the wife allow the marriage to be "erased" by the church. Why wouldn't she want her ex to be held as accountable as possible and not be able to marry again before God for being such a thoughtless, selfish d*ckhead?! Again, seems like a great way to let someone basically give themselves a clean slate and get to start all over again in the church even though the truth is they were awful to another person, including their kids.

My uncle got an annulment from my aunt about 35 years. She didn't want it but he "donated" enough money to the church to get it. He made their two children bastards in the eyes of the church.

there are no bastards in the Church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I can't fathom how the wife allow the marriage to be "erased" by the church. Why wouldn't she want her ex to be held as accountable as possible and not be able to marry again before God for being such a thoughtless, selfish d*ckhead?! Again, seems like a great way to let someone basically give themselves a clean slate and get to start all over again in the church even though the truth is they were awful to another person, including their kids.

My uncle got an annulment from my aunt about 35 years. She didn't want it but he "donated" enough money to the church to get it. He made their two children bastards in the eyes of the church.

there are no bastards in the Church.

only sinners and monetary contributors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I can't fathom how the wife allow the marriage to be "erased" by the church. Why wouldn't she want her ex to be held as accountable as possible and not be able to marry again before God for being such a thoughtless, selfish d*ckhead?! Again, seems like a great way to let someone basically give themselves a clean slate and get to start all over again in the church even though the truth is they were awful to another person, including their kids.

My uncle got an annulment from my aunt about 35 years. She didn't want it but he "donated" enough money to the church to get it. He made their two children bastards in the eyes of the church.

there are no bastards in the Church.

Well that was the case at one time when they used to shuffle young pregnant girls off to unwed mothers homes to have their babies in secret.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I can't fathom how the wife allow the marriage to be "erased" by the church. Why wouldn't she want her ex to be held as accountable as possible and not be able to marry again before God for being such a thoughtless, selfish d*ckhead?! Again, seems like a great way to let someone basically give themselves a clean slate and get to start all over again in the church even though the truth is they were awful to another person, including their kids.

My uncle got an annulment from my aunt about 35 years. She didn't want it but he "donated" enough money to the church to get it. He made their two children bastards in the eyes of the church.

there are no bastards in the Church.

Well that was the case at one time when they used to shuffle young pregnant girls off to unwed mothers homes to have their babies in secret.

the girls used their free will to get pregnant and to provide the church with another member because God prohibits them from using their free will to get an abortion with pain of hell. At least that's how the catholic thinking on the subject goes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The annulment process just says that the marriage you entered into was not a sacramental one. It was still a marriage, but not sacrament. If not a sacrament, then it can be broken. The children are still born into 'wedlock', they are just like all the other children born to couples not married by the Catholic Church.

Also, the pp who says that as a Catholic one can marry a non-catholic (as long as you promise to raise your children catholic) is correct. In this case also, however, you technically do not receive the sacrament of marriage because it can not be given to only 'half' the couple.

I believe the non catholic must be a Christian of some sort.

No, the nonCatholic spouse need not be Christian.

In some countries, only religious marriage exists--there are no civil marriages. In those countries, a Catholic would have to get an annulment to end the marriage, regardless of whether he or she wanted to remarry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The annulment process just says that the marriage you entered into was not a sacramental one. It was still a marriage, but not sacrament. If not a sacrament, then it can be broken. The children are still born into 'wedlock', they are just like all the other children born to couples not married by the Catholic Church.

Also, the pp who says that as a Catholic one can marry a non-catholic (as long as you promise to raise your children catholic) is correct. In this case also, however, you technically do not receive the sacrament of marriage because it can not be given to only 'half' the couple.

I believe the non catholic must be a Christian of some sort.

No, the nonCatholic spouse need not be Christian.

In some countries, only religious marriage exists--there are no civil marriages. In those countries, a Catholic would have to get an annulment to end the marriage, regardless of whether he or she wanted to remarry.

which countries are these?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The annulment process just says that the marriage you entered into was not a sacramental one. It was still a marriage, but not sacrament. If not a sacrament, then it can be broken. The children are still born into 'wedlock', they are just like all the other children born to couples not married by the Catholic Church.

Also, the pp who says that as a Catholic one can marry a non-catholic (as long as you promise to raise your children catholic) is correct. In this case also, however, you technically do not receive the sacrament of marriage because it can not be given to only 'half' the couple.

I believe the non catholic must be a Christian of some sort.

No, the nonCatholic spouse need not be Christian.

In some countries, only religious marriage exists--there are no civil marriages. In those countries, a Catholic would have to get an annulment to end the marriage, regardless of whether he or she wanted to remarry.

which countries are these?

Middle Eastern countries like Lebanon and Egypt come to mind. It's not uncommon for people to convert to other religions just so they can divorce because as a Catholic in those countries it is virtually impossible. It may be the same in the Philippines too.

[Anonymous]

There is no civil marriage in Israel either. If you want to get married there, it must be in a religious ceremony. Some Israelis fly to Cyprus to have a civil marrige.

Iran and Indonesia are said to have no civil marriages either, while Kuwait and Bahrain allow it only for foreigners. Malaysia is said to allow it only for non-Muslims.

At one time civil marriage was possible in Egypt, not sure about today. An American friend of mine married an Egyptian in a civil ceremony there years ago. She said the office that performed it was open three hous once a month. The first civil marrige in Lebanon was registered last year.

Middle Eastern Catholics who want a divorce and don't qualify for an annulment, usually convert to Orthodox, which allows up to two remarriages, where the first two marriages have ended in divorce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no civil marriage in Israel either. If you want to get married there, it must be in a religious ceremony. Some Israelis fly to Cyprus to have a civil marrige.

Iran and Indonesia are said to have no civil marriages either, while Kuwait and Bahrain allow it only for foreigners. Malaysia is said to allow it only for non-Muslims.

At one time civil marriage was possible in Egypt, not sure about today. An American friend of mine married an Egyptian in a civil ceremony there years ago. She said the office that performed it was open three hous once a month. The first civil marrige in Lebanon was registered last year.

Middle Eastern Catholics who want a divorce and don't qualify for an annulment, usually convert to Orthodox, which allows up to two remarriages, where the first two marriages have ended in divorce.

so religion just means more red tape. I wonder what Jesus would think about all this.

[Anonymous]

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I believe the non catholic must be a Christian of some sort.

No, the non-Catholic can belong to any religion or to none. It's still a perfectly valid marriage.

[Anonymous]

People I knew who got an annulment from the Church gave immaturity as their reason, arguing that they didn't really understand the obligations of marriage. I only knew the guy at all well, but it certainly sounded legitimate to me.

No, it doesn't make the children illegitimate.

[Anonymous]

A lot of this is very old information. About 20 years ago the Church (at least in America) really tightened up its rules about annulments. The bad press around the Joe Kennedy annulment, which was opposed by his wife, likely had something to do with that. I don't know of anyone that's gotten one since.
The most compelling grounds are for the individual that was sort of tricked into marriage (like a woman I know that was married at 18, then found out her older husband had lied about wanting kids and about being a practicing Catholic -- he was a real jerk in other ways as well -- she did get an annulment after he took off, but that was about 25 years ago. She paid no one to get that annulment, for what it's worth, but it did take about a year.).

[Anonymous]

My friend got an annulment 2 years into the marriage because the man said he wanted children but then decided he didn't 2 years later. Being accepting of children is one requirement in the sacrament of marriage.

[Anonymous]

I had an annulment because my ex misrepresented himself to me in order to get me to marry him. Textbook sociopath. So glad it's over.

[Anonymous]

It's all about money. You pay a fee to get aarriage annulled. Isn't that the point of organized religion? To get money from it's people?