I live in MD and DH lives in VA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Define "damn near impossible" - how many in an average graduating class get in from McLean and Langley these days?

About 10% of each class is accepted usually -- so 50 per class per year (every now and then there's an off year -- numbers were much lower in 2012 or 13) and about a dozen from each school choose to attend UVA each year. To be top 10% of the class at these high schools, you'll need over a 4.0 GPA, plus of course have stellar SAT scores, with loads of APs, be an athlete or musician or write the school play and score that year or be varsity captain of the state champion lacrosse/volleyball/golf team, etc. It's quite sobering to learn that your way above average kid (by most any measure) cannot get into the state flagship school. But most kids figure it out and adjust expectations and find great fit schools beyond UVA.

It wasn't this way in the early 90s. It was very, very competitive, to be sure, but to gain admission to UVA or W&M, a student had to be in the top 15 percent I guess, have some solid APs, a varsity sport, a solid couple of activities with leadership activities, and work experience. Set aside an hour to do the application, mail it in, and bingo, be one of the nearly 47 percent of kids admitted from instate. Times have changed, it appears.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOS students have it the worst.

OOS admission rates are much lower than in state because there are way more applicants for many fewer spots. The in state rate is actually something like 40%. OOS is closer tor 20%.

Kids from MoCo have even lower odds than the Langley kids.

Seems fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOS students have it the worst.

OOS admission rates are much lower than in state because there are way more applicants for many fewer spots. The in state rate is actually something like 40%. OOS is closer tor 20%.

Kids from MoCo have even lower odds than the Langley kids.

Seems fair.

Right. It is a state school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From UVA website

Q: If my parents are divorced am I eligible for in-state educational privileges if I live outside of Virginia and my non-custodial parent lives in Virginia?
A: Yes, if the non-custodial parent contributes substantially to your support and is domiciled in Virginia.

http://www.virginia.edu/provost/vastatus/faqs.html

I wonder how you would prove substantial contributions?

We did this for DS. Ex proved it by claiming him on his taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From UVA website

Q: If my parents are divorced am I eligible for in-state educational privileges if I live outside of Virginia and my non-custodial parent lives in Virginia?
A: Yes, if the non-custodial parent contributes substantially to your support and is domiciled in Virginia.

http://www.virginia.edu/provost/vastatus/faqs.html

I wonder how you would prove substantial contributions?

We did this for DS. Ex proved it by claiming him on his taxes.

So your DS resided with you and attended a high school not in VA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He might have a slightly better chance applying from Maryland. Why not change his residency after graduation and pay for 1 year out of state?

For VTech maybe (if you are full pay) but not for UVA. Much better chance as IS resident than OOS. UVA is very hard as OOS.

The reverse is true because OOS pay much more. It is far more difficult to get into UVA and some of the other VA state universities if you are applying from FCPS. UVA will take only a select few from Langley, Mclean, etc. If you are applying from other, more rural parts of the state of VA you are OK.

That is a myth about admissions from NOVA.

Agreed. If you look at the admissions numbers, the number from NoVa are in line w/ the numbers from the rest of the state. It's possible that the NoVa students have higher stats, but they're certainly not getting rejected in higher proportions.

From : http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/does-uva-have-a-quota-for-northern-virginia-admissions/2013/11/25/559685ba-557b-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html

"The acceptance rate for in-state students is about 40 percent, compared to about 20 percent for out-of-state students, McCance said.

According to data maintained by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia, the acceptance rate in 2012-2013 for Fairfax (which had 2,248 applicants) was 41 percent, for Loudoun (which had 678 applicants) was 36 percent, for Prince William County (which had 433 applicants) was 35 percent, and for Arlington (which had 298 applicants) was 41 percent.

Over the past five years, admissions rates ranged from 41 percent to 47 percent in Fairfax, from 36 to 44 percent in Loudoun, from 35 to 46 in Prince William, and from 41 to 47 percent in Arlington."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From UVA website

Q: If my parents are divorced am I eligible for in-state educational privileges if I live outside of Virginia and my non-custodial parent lives in Virginia?
A: Yes, if the non-custodial parent contributes substantially to your support and is domiciled in Virginia.

http://www.virginia.edu/provost/vastatus/faqs.html

I wonder how you would prove substantial contributions?

We did this for DS. Ex proved it by claiming him on his taxes.

So your DS resided with you and attended a high school not in VA?

Yes, DS went to high school in MD then college in VA with in-state tuition.

[Anonymous]

This above post gives my family hope. I however, reside in DC and my childs father in MD. I will have him claim our DD on his taxes once she enters high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He might have a slightly better chance applying from Maryland. Why not change his residency after graduation and pay for 1 year out of state?

For VTech maybe (if you are full pay) but not for UVA. Much better chance as IS resident than OOS. UVA is very hard as OOS.

The reverse is true because OOS pay much more. It is far more difficult to get into UVA and some of the other VA state universities if you are applying from FCPS. UVA will take only a select few from Langley, Mclean, etc. If you are applying from other, more rural parts of the state of VA you are OK.

That is a myth about admissions from NOVA.

Agreed. If you look at the admissions numbers, the number from NoVa are in line w/ the numbers from the rest of the state. It's possible that the NoVa students have higher stats, but they're certainly not getting rejected in higher proportions.

From : http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/does-uva-have-a-quota-for-northern-virginia-admissions/2013/11/25/559685ba-557b-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html

"The acceptance rate for in-state students is about 40 percent, compared to about 20 percent for out-of-state students, McCance said.

According to data maintained by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia, the acceptance rate in 2012-2013 for Fairfax (which had 2,248 applicants) was 41 percent, for Loudoun (which had 678 applicants) was 36 percent, for Prince William County (which had 433 applicants) was 35 percent, and for Arlington (which had 298 applicants) was 41 percent.

Over the past five years, admissions rates ranged from 41 percent to 47 percent in Fairfax, from 36 to 44 percent in Loudoun, from 35 to 46 in Prince William, and from 41 to 47 percent in Arlington."

I don't know why you're attempted to deny the facts: coming from LHS/MHS, you need to be top 10%, over. 4.0 gpa, tons of APs, great test scores, activities, recommendations etc etc. to get into UVA. The UVA admissions dept tells NVa parents outright that the admissions break will go to the kid outside of this area. It's just a fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He might have a slightly better chance applying from Maryland. Why not change his residency after graduation and pay for 1 year out of state?

For VTech maybe (if you are full pay) but not for UVA. Much better chance as IS resident than OOS. UVA is very hard as OOS.

The reverse is true because OOS pay much more. It is far more difficult to get into UVA and some of the other VA state universities if you are applying from FCPS. UVA will take only a select few from Langley, Mclean, etc. If you are applying from other, more rural parts of the state of VA you are OK.

That is a myth about admissions from NOVA.

Agreed. If you look at the admissions numbers, the number from NoVa are in line w/ the numbers from the rest of the state. It's possible that the NoVa students have higher stats, but they're certainly not getting rejected in higher proportions.

From : http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/does-uva-have-a-quota-for-northern-virginia-admissions/2013/11/25/559685ba-557b-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html

"The acceptance rate for in-state students is about 40 percent, compared to about 20 percent for out-of-state students, McCance said.

According to data maintained by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia, the acceptance rate in 2012-2013 for Fairfax (which had 2,248 applicants) was 41 percent, for Loudoun (which had 678 applicants) was 36 percent, for Prince William County (which had 433 applicants) was 35 percent, and for Arlington (which had 298 applicants) was 41 percent.

Over the past five years, admissions rates ranged from 41 percent to 47 percent in Fairfax, from 36 to 44 percent in Loudoun, from 35 to 46 in Prince William, and from 41 to 47 percent in Arlington."

I don't know why you're attempted to deny the facts: coming from LHS/MHS, you need to be top 10%, over. 4.0 gpa, tons of APs, great test scores, activities, recommendations etc etc. to get into UVA. The UVA admissions dept tells NVa parents outright that the admissions break will go to the kid outside of this area. It's just a fact.

I agree with the bolded part above. You need a 4.6, extraordinary atheletic skills, or musical talent, lots of AP courses, great letters, and a "passion". Only 13 in my DS's class from Langley went to UVA. We didn't even bother to apply. The competition from Langley is fierce and UVA is on going to take the top of the top. BTW, my DS's class had 70 valedictorians. What? you ask. That kids who get grades over a 4.0. In my day there was one. The No. Va kids really get screwed in this competition for state slots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He might have a slightly better chance applying from Maryland. Why not change his residency after graduation and pay for 1 year out of state?

For VTech maybe (if you are full pay) but not for UVA. Much better chance as IS resident than OOS. UVA is very hard as OOS.

The reverse is true because OOS pay much more. It is far more difficult to get into UVA and some of the other VA state universities if you are applying from FCPS. UVA will take only a select few from Langley, Mclean, etc. If you are applying from other, more rural parts of the state of VA you are OK.

That is a myth about admissions from NOVA.

Agreed. If you look at the admissions numbers, the number from NoVa are in line w/ the numbers from the rest of the state. It's possible that the NoVa students have higher stats, but they're certainly not getting rejected in higher proportions.

From : http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/does-uva-have-a-quota-for-northern-virginia-admissions/2013/11/25/559685ba-557b-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html

"The acceptance rate for in-state students is about 40 percent, compared to about 20 percent for out-of-state students, McCance said.

According to data maintained by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia, the acceptance rate in 2012-2013 for Fairfax (which had 2,248 applicants) was 41 percent, for Loudoun (which had 678 applicants) was 36 percent, for Prince William County (which had 433 applicants) was 35 percent, and for Arlington (which had 298 applicants) was 41 percent.

Over the past five years, admissions rates ranged from 41 percent to 47 percent in Fairfax, from 36 to 44 percent in Loudoun, from 35 to 46 in Prince William, and from 41 to 47 percent in Arlington."

I don't know why you're attempted to deny the facts: coming from LHS/MHS, you need to be top 10%, over. 4.0 gpa, tons of APs, great test scores, activities, recommendations etc etc. to get into UVA. The UVA admissions dept tells NVa parents outright that the admissions break will go to the kid outside of this area. It's just a fact.

I agree with the bolded part above. You need a 4.6, extraordinary atheletic skills, or musical talent, lots of AP courses, great letters, and a "passion". Only 13 in my DS's class from Langley went to UVA. We didn't even bother to apply. The competition from Langley is fierce and UVA is on going to take the top of the top. BTW, my DS's class had 70 valedictorians. What? you ask. That kids who get grades over a 4.0. In my day there was one. The No. Va kids really get screwed in this competition for state slots.

Then move to Grundy and apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He might have a slightly better chance applying from Maryland. Why not change his residency after graduation and pay for 1 year out of state?

For VTech maybe (if you are full pay) but not for UVA. Much better chance as IS resident than OOS. UVA is very hard as OOS.

The reverse is true because OOS pay much more. It is far more difficult to get into UVA and some of the other VA state universities if you are applying from FCPS. UVA will take only a select few from Langley, Mclean, etc. If you are applying from other, more rural parts of the state of VA you are OK.

That is a myth about admissions from NOVA.

Agreed. If you look at the admissions numbers, the number from NoVa are in line w/ the numbers from the rest of the state. It's possible that the NoVa students have higher stats, but they're certainly not getting rejected in higher proportions.

From : http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/does-uva-have-a-quota-for-northern-virginia-admissions/2013/11/25/559685ba-557b-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html

"The acceptance rate for in-state students is about 40 percent, compared to about 20 percent for out-of-state students, McCance said.

According to data maintained by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia, the acceptance rate in 2012-2013 for Fairfax (which had 2,248 applicants) was 41 percent, for Loudoun (which had 678 applicants) was 36 percent, for Prince William County (which had 433 applicants) was 35 percent, and for Arlington (which had 298 applicants) was 41 percent.

Over the past five years, admissions rates ranged from 41 percent to 47 percent in Fairfax, from 36 to 44 percent in Loudoun, from 35 to 46 in Prince William, and from 41 to 47 percent in Arlington."

I don't know why you're attempted to deny the facts: coming from LHS/MHS, you need to be top 10%, over. 4.0 gpa, tons of APs, great test scores, activities, recommendations etc etc. to get into UVA. The UVA admissions dept tells NVa parents outright that the admissions break will go to the kid outside of this area. It's just a fact.

Not PP and not trying to deny anything. Just trying to understand the numbers. So, if ~40% instate acceptance rate, ~40 FF acceptance rate, and ~ top 10% from LHS/MHS... What am I missing?

[Anonymous]

The Langley kids are expected to take more APs because more are offered. And when they do, they get a full point bump in their grade point for that class so their GPA gets a boost. 14 attended from LHS but how many were accepted? I'm sure some kids turned down slots to go to other schools. The kids we know from Arlington who get into UVA are strong students to be sure but not Ivy candidates. My own DS had a 3.8 W GPA, had one significant leadership position in HS (it was a big one in the school), 31 ACT, and no other hooks. Not NHS, not team captain, not science fair winner. I say that to show that they do accept "good" students, not just the great ones (who are somewhat homogeneous and don't contribute to building a diverse, interesting class). If you want to get upset, get upset about the many athletes accepted each year with GPAs <3.0 and barely acceptable SATs but great throwing arms or fast times. They are taking spots from students who are more academically qualified, and their sports do not pay for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOS students have it the worst.

OOS admission rates are much lower than in state because there are way more applicants for many fewer spots. The in state rate is actually something like 40%. OOS is closer tor 20%.

Kids from MoCo have even lower odds than the Langley kids.

Seems fair.

Right. It is a state school.

Though OOS students who are legacies have the same acceptance rate as in-state, and grad programs count

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Langley kids are expected to take more APs because more are offered. And when they do, they get a full point bump in their grade point for that class so their GPA gets a boost. 14 attended from LHS but how many were accepted? I'm sure some kids turned down slots to go to other schools. The kids we know from Arlington who get into UVA are strong students to be sure but not Ivy candidates. My own DS had a 3.8 W GPA, had one significant leadership position in HS (it was a big one in the school), 31 ACT, and no other hooks. Not NHS, not team captain, not science fair winner. I say that to show that they do accept "good" students, not just the great ones (who are somewhat homogeneous and don't contribute to building a diverse, interesting class). If you want to get upset, get upset about the many athletes accepted each year with GPAs <3.0 and barely acceptable SATs but great throwing arms or fast times. They are taking spots from students who are more academically qualified, and their sports do not pay for themselves.

This proving the point that it's harder to get in from Langley that Arlington. Typically UVA accepts 50 and about a dozen attend each year from Langley.