Has Ebola gone airborne? re the US doctor & nurse who have caught it & possible case in Hong Kong

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You have to be in contact with body fluids in order to catch it. The medical professionals dealing with the outbreak get exhausted and let their guard down and are exposed to this very messy disease that way. Imagine a scenario where they wear the biohazard suits all day but slip up when they take it off and touch the outside of the suit with bare hands, etc.

But ill persons who sneeze, cough, sweat, or brush into you are not transmitting "bodily fluids" that is why when someone shares their "these are not bodily fluids" on you on the subway, you say Thank You! Same with the slobbery guy sharing the seat arm on the airplane with you. Thanks, buddy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have to be in contact with body fluids in order to catch it. The medical professionals dealing with the outbreak get exhausted and let their guard down and are exposed to this very messy disease that way. Imagine a scenario where they wear the biohazard suits all day but slip up when they take it off and touch the outside of the suit with bare hands, etc.

But ill persons who sneeze, cough, sweat, or brush into you are not transmitting "bodily fluids" that is why when someone shares their "these are not bodily fluids" on you on the subway, you say Thank You! Same with the slobbery guy sharing the seat arm on the airplane with you. Thanks, buddy!

cough droplets aren't what people mean when they talk about bodily fluids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Norovirus is only transmitted through contact with fecal matter or vomit. It is not airborne. And yet it can spread thorough a school or cruise ship like wildfire. I'm not so sure that Ebola couldn't do the same.

Norovirus can be spread through contaminated water or food. Ebola cannot.

Not even close to the same thing.

What if a food service worker who cannot take sick leave gets Ebola, continues to stay at work even when vomiting/diarrhea begins. Trace amounts of vomit/diarrhea gets into food or water, etc.

I don't see how how it couldn't be transmitted in the same way. Isn't that how norovirus is transmitted through food/water?

Are you looking for an excuse to panic? Oh My God We are all going to dieeeeeee of Ebola? Everyone Shepter in Place for 12- 20 weeeeeeeeeeeeks! For God's sake Close . The. Borders. Do it NOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW

?

[Anonymous]

The trouble with norovirus is that it takes a minuscule amount of copies of the virus to infect a person.

The concern with the guy on the flight was his vomiting and diarrhea during the flight. If someone touched either and then touched a mucus membrane, they could be infected.

Norovirus lives on surfaces for a relatively long time. Does anyone know how long ebola lives on surfaces?

[Anonymous]

This has been happening for months. Every time, some professional says it's highly unlikely it will come here. Well, it's getting pretty darn close. Putting all our faith in some screening process at an airport is . . . not great. Get ready for lots of pandemic policy teleworking and how-did-this happen stories. On the bright side, football season is getting closer . . . .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The long incubation period makes it scarier. Someone could get infected and travel a week...week and a half later without knowing they were infected and with no symptoms, then get to their destination and come down with it.

It's not like all travelers could be tested for it before traveling

Unless you're french kissing everyone on your flight and at the airport, you're going to be fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Norovirus is only transmitted through contact with fecal matter or vomit. It is not airborne. And yet it can spread thorough a school or cruise ship like wildfire. I'm not so sure that Ebola couldn't do the same.

Norovirus can be spread through contaminated water or food. Ebola cannot.

Not even close to the same thing.

What if a food service worker who cannot take sick leave gets Ebola, continues to stay at work even when vomiting/diarrhea begins. Trace amounts of vomit/diarrhea gets into food or water, etc.

I don't see how how it couldn't be transmitted in the same way. Isn't that how norovirus is transmitted through food/water?

Are you looking for an excuse to panic? Oh My God We are all going to dieeeeeee of Ebola? Everyone Shepter in Place for 12- 20 weeeeeeeeeeeeks! For God's sake Close . The. Borders. Do it NOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW

?

Madagascar from Pandemic 2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Norovirus is only transmitted through contact with fecal matter or vomit. It is not airborne. And yet it can spread thorough a school or cruise ship like wildfire. I'm not so sure that Ebola couldn't do the same.

Norovirus can be spread through contaminated water or food. Ebola cannot.

Not even close to the same thing.

What if a food service worker who cannot take sick leave gets Ebola, continues to stay at work even when vomiting/diarrhea begins. Trace amounts of vomit/diarrhea gets into food or water, etc.

I don't see how how it couldn't be transmitted in the same way. Isn't that how norovirus is transmitted through food/water?

It's a different virus completely. Different viruses are transmitted in different ways. That's why you can't catch HIV from eating food someone who's infected prepared, and why you can't contract herpes from droplets from a sneeze. Different viruses = different methods for contagion and different levels of contagiousness.

If you're too dense to understand that, perhaps you should leave the thinking up to the WHO and CDC, who -- I assure you -- are much better equipped to puzzle this out than a bunch of moms like us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Norovirus is only transmitted through contact with fecal matter or vomit. It is not airborne. And yet it can spread thorough a school or cruise ship like wildfire. I'm not so sure that Ebola couldn't do the same.

Norovirus can be spread through contaminated water or food. Ebola cannot.

Not even close to the same thing.

What if a food service worker who cannot take sick leave gets Ebola, continues to stay at work even when vomiting/diarrhea begins. Trace amounts of vomit/diarrhea gets into food or water, etc.

I don't see how how it couldn't be transmitted in the same way. Isn't that how norovirus is transmitted through food/water?

It's a different virus completely. Different viruses are transmitted in different ways. That's why you can't catch HIV from eating food someone who's infected prepared, and why you can't contract herpes from droplets from a sneeze. Different viruses = different methods for contagion and different levels of contagiousness.



If you're too dense to understand that, perhaps you should leave the thinking up to the WHO and CDC, who -- I assure you -- are much better equipped to puzzle this out than a bunch of moms like us.

OK--whatever makes you feel better. The WHO and CDC aren't infallible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Norovirus is only transmitted through contact with fecal matter or vomit. It is not airborne. And yet it can spread thorough a school or cruise ship like wildfire. I'm not so sure that Ebola couldn't do the same.

It lives on doorknobs. Ebolo lives in bodily fluids. You have to touch the actual bodily fluids, is what people keep posting over and over and over.

But if you enjoy being freaked out by the idea rather than calmed down, then go for it. I understand the feeling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This has been happening for months. Every time, some professional says it's highly unlikely it will come here. Well, it's getting pretty darn close. Putting all our faith in some screening process at an airport is . . . not great. Get ready for lots of pandemic policy teleworking and how-did-this happen stories. On the bright side, football season is getting closer . . . .

What response are you looking for from us, PP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This has been happening for months. Every time, some professional says it's highly unlikely it will come here. Well, it's getting pretty darn close. Putting all our faith in some screening process at an airport is . . . not great. Get ready for lots of pandemic policy teleworking and how-did-this happen stories. On the bright side, football season is getting closer . . . .

What response are you looking for from us, PP?

No response at all. I'm just saying that this is an extremely dangerous outbreak and that the attempts by some to totally rationalize the risk away is kind of revealing, from a psychological perspective. I get "the science," and I respect it. Plus, unlike most people who always talk about "doing" the science and math, I can actually solve an Algebra 2 problem. I hope I'm wrong about the threat. We need to be extremely vigilant. Nothing is inevitable, and recent reports about the CDC have suggested incompetence in some areas. My message is, stay safe out there. It has been an awful summer for the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Norovirus is only transmitted through contact with fecal matter or vomit. It is not airborne. And yet it can spread thorough a school or cruise ship like wildfire. I'm not so sure that Ebola couldn't do the same.

Norovirus can be spread through contaminated water or food. Ebola cannot.

Not even close to the same thing.

What if a food service worker who cannot take sick leave gets Ebola, continues to stay at work even when vomiting/diarrhea begins. Trace amounts of vomit/diarrhea gets into food or water, etc.

I don't see how how it couldn't be transmitted in the same way. Isn't that how norovirus is transmitted through food/water?

Are you looking for an excuse to panic? Oh My God We are all going to dieeeeeee of Ebola? Everyone Shepter in Place for 12- 20 weeeeeeeeeeeeks! For God's sake Close . The. Borders. Do it NOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW

?

Uh - I'm not worried about it myself, but I was just curious about how it is transmitted.

So it sounds like norovirus might be more persistent and spread more easily (takes a smaller amount of the virus)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Norovirus is only transmitted through contact with fecal matter or vomit. It is not airborne. And yet it can spread thorough a school or cruise ship like wildfire. I'm not so sure that Ebola couldn't do the same.

Norovirus can be spread through contaminated water or food. Ebola cannot.

Not even close to the same thing.

What if a food service worker who cannot take sick leave gets Ebola, continues to stay at work even when vomiting/diarrhea begins. Trace amounts of vomit/diarrhea gets into food or water, etc.

I don't see how how it couldn't be transmitted in the same way. Isn't that how norovirus is transmitted through food/water?

Are you looking for an excuse to panic? Oh My God We are all going to dieeeeeee of Ebola? Everyone Shepter in Place for 12- 20 weeeeeeeeeeeeks! For God's sake Close . The. Borders. Do it NOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW

?

Uh - I'm not worried about it myself, but I was just curious about how it is transmitted.

So it sounds like norovirus might be more persistent and spread more easily (takes a smaller amount of the virus)?

Yes it is more persistent -- it can stay alive on an inanimate object like a doorknob for a long time. Apparently the ebola virus cant' do that -- it has to be transmitted by the actual body fluid it lives in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Norovirus is only transmitted through contact with fecal matter or vomit. It is not airborne. And yet it can spread thorough a school or cruise ship like wildfire. I'm not so sure that Ebola couldn't do the same.

Norovirus can be spread through contaminated water or food. Ebola cannot.

Not even close to the same thing.

What if a food service worker who cannot take sick leave gets Ebola, continues to stay at work even when vomiting/diarrhea begins. Trace amounts of vomit/diarrhea gets into food or water, etc.

I don't see how how it couldn't be transmitted in the same way. Isn't that how norovirus is transmitted through food/water?

It's a different virus completely. Different viruses are transmitted in different ways. That's why you can't catch HIV from eating food someone who's infected prepared, and why you can't contract herpes from droplets from a sneeze. Different viruses = different methods for contagion and different levels of contagiousness.

If you're too dense to understand that, perhaps you should leave the thinking up to the WHO and CDC, who -- I assure you -- are much better equipped to puzzle this out than a bunch of moms like us.

Uh - I was just asking to clarify how it's transmitted. Guess you don't know.