AAP Orientations

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

But you see, this isn't the Special Needs board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response. I feel bad for their kids because they will certainly project their feeling of inferiority onto their kids. Way more than other kids, schools or the AAP program does ( if those things do at all).

I didn't see anything "violent" or "emotional" about 7:03's response at all. Perfect call, IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

But you see, this isn't the Special Needs board.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

You would never see this sort of response on the special needs board because people understand that kids with special needs need assistance and special programs. I think to a certain extent people also understood why truly gifted children needed the GT program (which also fell under special needs).

The problem with the AAP program is that it is not a necessary program for many of the children in it. Many of the children now in AAP are advanced not because of ability but because of parent-provided enrichment. I'm not saying parents shouldn't teach their kids stuff if they want to, just that it is not a level playing field. Despite these inequities, AAP is allow to disrupts schools and local communities and the divert educators from time spent helping ALL children reach their potential.

Years back, one of my kids was in GT. Under the current model, kids less-intellectually gifted than DC's very bright siblings (who did fine in GenEd) are now being bused to AAP. It boggles the mind why most of these kids can't be taught at their base school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

But you see, this isn't the Special Needs board.

And it is not Maryland. And it is not Minnesota. And it is not Arlington. And it is not Alexandria.

All true statements.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

You would never see this sort of response on the special needs board because people understand that kids with special needs need assistance and special programs. I think to a certain extent people also understood why truly gifted children needed the GT program (which also fell under special needs).

The problem with the AAP program is that it is not a necessary program for many of the children in it. Many of the children now in AAP are advanced not because of ability but because of parent-provided enrichment. I'm not saying parents shouldn't teach their kids stuff if they want to, just that it is not a level playing field.

So because some parents prep their kids for the CogAT, for the IAAT, and even for the NNAT then all students in AAP are considered "bored" and the type of kids that "feel it is fine to slam GE kids." ?!?

Seems a bit extreme and overreaching.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what's wrong with the kids there then?

The OP completely blew ONE child's comment out of proportion and did not write the direct quote. It was clear that the child wanted to get across his feeling of acceptance within an peer group that was also very much interested in higher level learning. I will agree that the delivery could have used some work but let's not be too hard on a 9 year old for choosing his words more carefully. It was a casual off the cuff panel discussion, not a pre-planned speech. There are tons of threads on AAP where adults should choose their words more carefully as well. I would imagine that it nice for a child to be in a learning environment that is challenging, more in-dept and can go at a faster pace if they felt bored in general education classes.

Yes, isn't it great that this child (and apparently adults, like you) feel it is fine to slam GE kids because he was "bored". Give me a break.

Excuse me, at what point in my comment did I say that I felt it was fine for the child (or anyone for that matter) to speak poorly of a child in GE? I feel quite the opposite, actually. I would have had a long talk after if that was my child. Your quick inclination to attack is absurd!

NP here. I wouldn't even have a talk with the child about the comment afterward, making him feel that he had said something wrong in front of the group. That might discourage future public speaking. Instead, I would say, "Great job!" Then another time, when the opportunity presented itself in an unrelated way, I might bring up how we can say what we like about a new situation without saying what we didn't like about the old situation, for example if a parent had a new job or if a kid went to a different school. Or whatever you would want to convey, but just not as chastising the child immediately after the fact when he had stepped up and taken a risk.

Please tell me you're joking.

Actually, you SHOULD discourage "public speaking" in which your child insults others. That comment didn't merit a "great job" no matter how you look at it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

You would never see this sort of response on the special needs board because people understand that kids with special needs need assistance and special programs. I think to a certain extent people also understood why truly gifted children needed the GT program (which also fell under special needs).

The problem with the AAP program is that it is not a necessary program for many of the children in it. Many of the children now in AAP are advanced not because of ability but because of parent-provided enrichment. I'm not saying parents shouldn't teach their kids stuff if they want to, just that it is not a level playing field.

So because some parents prep their kids for the CogAT, for the IAAT, and even for the NNAT then all students in AAP are considered "bored" and the type of kids that "feel it is fine to slam GE kids." ?!?

Seems a bit extreme and overreaching.[/quote]

I don't understand what this comment is in response to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what's wrong with the kids there then?

The OP completely blew ONE child's comment out of proportion and did not write the direct quote. It was clear that the child wanted to get across his feeling of acceptance within an peer group that was also very much interested in higher level learning. I will agree that the delivery could have used some work but let's not be too hard on a 9 year old for choosing his words more carefully. It was a casual off the cuff panel discussion, not a pre-planned speech. There are tons of threads on AAP where adults should choose their words more carefully as well. I would imagine that it nice for a child to be in a learning environment that is challenging, more in-dept and can go at a faster pace if they felt bored in general education classes.

Yes, isn't it great that this child (and apparently adults, like you) feel it is fine to slam GE kids because he was "bored". Give me a break.

Excuse me, at what point in my comment did I say that I felt it was fine for the child (or anyone for that matter) to speak poorly of a child in GE? I feel quite the opposite, actually. I would have had a long talk after if that was my child. Your quick inclination to attack is absurd!

NP here. I wouldn't even have a talk with the child about the comment afterward, making him feel that he had said something wrong in front of the group. That might discourage future public speaking. Instead, I would say, "Great job!" Then another time, when the opportunity presented itself in an unrelated way, I might bring up how we can say what we like about a new situation without saying what we didn't like about the old situation, for example if a parent had a new job or if a kid went to a different school. Or whatever you would want to convey, but just not as chastising the child immediately after the fact when he had stepped up and taken a risk.

Please tell me you're joking.

Actually, you SHOULD discourage "public speaking" in which your child insults others. That comment didn't merit a "great job" no matter how you look at it.

I hope you're joking that you would berate your child that he had insulted others and would discourage him from doing any public speaking again, when as a 9-year-old he didn't state something in quite the right way. Someone who was actually there interpreted the child's comments in a different way, but if the child could benefit from being shown another perspective, I would do it in a gentle way, later, and not make him feel bad about his presentation at the orientation. Good for the kid for trying to help others feel welcome at their possible new school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

You would never see this sort of response on the special needs board because people understand that kids with special needs need assistance and special programs. I think to a certain extent people also understood why truly gifted children needed the GT program (which also fell under special needs).

The problem with the AAP program is that it is not a necessary program for many of the children in it. Many of the children now in AAP are advanced not because of ability but because of parent-provided enrichment. I'm not saying parents shouldn't teach their kids stuff if they want to, just that it is not a level playing field. Despite these inequities, AAP is allow to disrupts schools and local communities and the divert educators from time spent helping ALL children reach their potential.

Years back, one of my kids was in GT. Under the current model, kids less-intellectually gifted than DC's very bright siblings (who did fine in GenEd) are now being bused to AAP. It boggles the mind why most of these kids can't be taught at their base school.

Exactly. So well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what's wrong with the kids there then?

The OP completely blew ONE child's comment out of proportion and did not write the direct quote. It was clear that the child wanted to get across his feeling of acceptance within an peer group that was also very much interested in higher level learning. I will agree that the delivery could have used some work but let's not be too hard on a 9 year old for choosing his words more carefully. It was a casual off the cuff panel discussion, not a pre-planned speech. There are tons of threads on AAP where adults should choose their words more carefully as well. I would imagine that it nice for a child to be in a learning environment that is challenging, more in-dept and can go at a faster pace if they felt bored in general education classes.

Yes, isn't it great that this child (and apparently adults, like you) feel it is fine to slam GE kids because he was "bored". Give me a break.

Excuse me, at what point in my comment did I say that I felt it was fine for the child (or anyone for that matter) to speak poorly of a child in GE? I feel quite the opposite, actually. I would have had a long talk after if that was my child. Your quick inclination to attack is absurd!

NP here. I wouldn't even have a talk with the child about the comment afterward, making him feel that he had said something wrong in front of the group. That might discourage future public speaking. Instead, I would say, "Great job!" Then another time, when the opportunity presented itself in an unrelated way, I might bring up how we can say what we like about a new situation without saying what we didn't like about the old situation, for example if a parent had a new job or if a kid went to a different school. Or whatever you would want to convey, but just not as chastising the child immediately after the fact when he had stepped up and taken a risk.

Please tell me you're joking.

Actually, you SHOULD discourage "public speaking" in which your child insults others. That comment didn't merit a "great job" no matter how you look at it.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

You would never see this sort of response on the special needs board because people understand that kids with special needs need assistance and special programs. I think to a certain extent people also understood why truly gifted children needed the GT program (which also fell under special needs).

The problem with the AAP program is that it is not a necessary program for many of the children in it. Many of the children now in AAP are advanced not because of ability but because of parent-provided enrichment. I'm not saying parents shouldn't teach their kids stuff if they want to, just that it is not a level playing field. Despite these inequities, AAP is allow to disrupts schools and local communities and the divert educators from time spent helping ALL children reach their potential.

Years back, one of my kids was in GT. Under the current model, kids less-intellectually gifted than DC's very bright siblings (who did fine in GenEd) are now being bused to AAP. It boggles the mind why most of these kids can't be taught at their base school.

Prepped or not, a kid isn't going to be getting a 16 GBRS unless he truly deserves a 16 GBRS. You can squawk all you want about it being subjective, but that might mean he is a 13 in someone else's eyes or maybe a 14 or 15. Either way, he will be up there which is based on his own performance. Additionally, no matter how much a parent works with a kid, if he can do the work, let him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what's wrong with the kids there then?

The OP completely blew ONE child's comment out of proportion and did not write the direct quote. It was clear that the child wanted to get across his feeling of acceptance within an peer group that was also very much interested in higher level learning. I will agree that the delivery could have used some work but let's not be too hard on a 9 year old for choosing his words more carefully. It was a casual off the cuff panel discussion, not a pre-planned speech. There are tons of threads on AAP where adults should choose their words more carefully as well. I would imagine that it nice for a child to be in a learning environment that is challenging, more in-dept and can go at a faster pace if they felt bored in general education classes.

Yes, isn't it great that this child (and apparently adults, like you) feel it is fine to slam GE kids because he was "bored". Give me a break.

Excuse me, at what point in my comment did I say that I felt it was fine for the child (or anyone for that matter) to speak poorly of a child in GE? I feel quite the opposite, actually. I would have had a long talk after if that was my child. Your quick inclination to attack is absurd!

NP here. I wouldn't even have a talk with the child about the comment afterward, making him feel that he had said something wrong in front of the group. That might discourage future public speaking. Instead, I would say, "Great job!" Then another time, when the opportunity presented itself in an unrelated way, I might bring up how we can say what we like about a new situation without saying what we didn't like about the old situation, for example if a parent had a new job or if a kid went to a different school. Or whatever you would want to convey, but just not as chastising the child immediately after the fact when he had stepped up and taken a risk.

Please tell me you're joking.

Actually, you SHOULD discourage "public speaking" in which your child insults others. That comment didn't merit a "great job" no matter how you look at it.

I hope you're joking that you would berate your child that he had insulted others and would discourage him from doing any public speaking again, when as a 9-year-old he didn't state something in quite the right way. Someone who was actually there interpreted the child's comments in a different way, but if the child could benefit from being shown another perspective, I would do it in a gentle way, later, and not make him feel bad about his presentation at the orientation. Good for the kid for trying to help others feel welcome at their possible new school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response.

+1

This sort of extreme response would not be tolerated on the Special Needs board.

You would never see this sort of response on the special needs board because people understand that kids with special needs need assistance and special programs. I think to a certain extent people also understood why truly gifted children needed the GT program (which also fell under special needs).

The problem with the AAP program is that it is not a necessary program for many of the children in it. Many of the children now in AAP are advanced not because of ability but because of parent-provided enrichment. I'm not saying parents shouldn't teach their kids stuff if they want to, just that it is not a level playing field. Despite these inequities, AAP is allow to disrupts schools and local communities and the divert educators from time spent helping ALL children reach their potential.

Years back, one of my kids was in GT. Under the current model, kids less-intellectually gifted than DC's very bright siblings (who did fine in GenEd) are now being bused to AAP. It boggles the mind why most of these kids can't be taught at their base school.

And please tell me how it is exactly that you evaluate these kids to deem them "less intellectually gifted than DC's very bright siblings." Were the very bright siblings tested and screened? Do you go around the neighborhood or center schools and dig for scores, works samples, GBRS to compare them? Or do the kids walking to the bus stop to be bussed to the center just not LOOK as bright to you as your kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:7:03 is a perfect example of the extreme responses of AAP haters on this board. They have one feeling that they project onto every comment and thread. Then they repeat. And repeat. It is such a violent and emotional response. I feel bad for their kids because they will certainly project their feeling of inferiority onto their kids. Way more than other kids, schools or the AAP program does ( if those things do at all).

I completely agree with you. It is tiresome. I have posted in the past about how it really is just annoying clutter to see the same angry rants spattered all over the forum, likely from the same few posters and well....they reacted as you would imagine they would.