Grade Inflation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Churchill is a high school of cheaters.

My son came home telling me about a girl who's parents allowed her to skip a period because she didn't feel prepared for the test. She left school for just ONE period. In AP Biology and AP World History, many students memorize the answers of online test banks they found that they know the teachers draw questions out of. The teachers have no clue, or if they do have a clue, don't do anything to stop it.

And, honestly, many of the top students cheat on the SATs too. Not really conventional cheating - but they do study their asses off and take thousands of dollars worth of test prep. These are not kids who do particularly badly on tests. These are kids who got 210+ plus on their PSAT that are inflating the scores. It's directly causing higher and higher SATs to be necessary for top school admissions, because more "mediocre" (not really mediocre, just not ivy caliber) kids are inflating their SAT scores through prep.

Tons of students are getting 2300+ and 4.0s that they do not deserve. Are these kids smart? Yes. Are these kids capable of actually earning 4.0s or such high scores on their own merits? Hell no. But, no one wants to be left behind in the college race so they cheat and cheat and cheat.

The saddest part is the few remaining honest students feel like they have to cheat to stay competitive.

You are conflating prepping and cheating.
If a kid received a high SAT score - they deserve it, no matter if they studied with a CollegeBoard book or paid $$$$ to tutors.

I agree preparing for SAT is not cheating but what about paying $500 to $700 per hour for intensive tutoring by elite tutoring companies which only the wealthy can provide? Is that fair?


"The typical customers fueling the tutoring market are Wall Street bankers, lawyers, physicians, corporate executives and entertainers ---"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aEa1sYGiLBcE

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:because of the asian invasion.

When did Asians invade our country? Maybe I missed something?

it was in the early 1990s. They changed the immigration laws and the numbers of Asian immigrants increased dramatically.

We have far more Hispanics that came to our country in the last 10 to 20 years than Asians. What would you call that? Hispanic conquest?

maybe in certain parts of the country they have made a significant impact.
Here in Va., DC. Md. in education (it is the college discussion forum) the impact of Asians has been more noticeable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:because of the asian invasion.

When did Asians invade our country? Maybe I missed something?

Been to TJ lately? Koreans all day long. Some straight from Seoul. How they get in, I have no idea.

Indians outnumber all the Chinese and Koreans at TJ.

Indians are Asian, BTW. There was an article about Asians paying for kids to stay with families in this area for HS so they can get into college. The way to get into college in many parts of Asia is 1 test... either to college or to a trade.

So they send their kids to America. Also, there was an article in the paper about how cheating is a way of life in China. It's acceptable just like bribery is acceptable in some countries.

yes, but I have heard Asian kids, Chinese in particular, say it makes sense to take the SAT since it is so much easier that the Chinese college admission tests.

Easier or harder is irrelevant. If you bomb the SATs you still have options, which is the whole point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:because of the asian invasion.

When did Asians invade our country? Maybe I missed something?

Been to TJ lately? Koreans all day long. Some straight from Seoul. How they get in, I have no idea.

Indians outnumber all the Chinese and Koreans at TJ.

Indians are Asian, BTW. There was an article about Asians paying for kids to stay with families in this area for HS so they can get into college. The way to get into college in many parts of Asia is 1 test... either to college or to a trade.

So they send their kids to America. Also, there was an article in the paper about how cheating is a way of life in China. It's acceptable just like bribery is acceptable in some countries.

yes, but I have heard Asian kids, Chinese in particular, say it makes sense to take the SAT since it is so much easier that the Chinese college admission tests.

Easier or harder is irrelevant. If you bomb the SATs you still have options, which is the whole point.

they don't bomb the SAts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree preparing for SAT is not cheating but what about paying $500 to $700 per hour for intensive tutoring by elite tutoring companies which only the wealthy can provide? Is that fair?


"The typical customers fueling the tutoring market are Wall Street bankers, lawyers, physicians, corporate executives and entertainers ---"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aEa1sYGiLBcE

No no, that's perfectly fair according to their twisted logic. It's a "better investment".

Modern capitalism in action, folks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree preparing for SAT is not cheating but what about paying $500 to $700 per hour for intensive tutoring by elite tutoring companies which only the wealthy can provide? Is that fair?


"The typical customers fueling the tutoring market are Wall Street bankers, lawyers, physicians, corporate executives and entertainers ---"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aEa1sYGiLBcE

No no, that's perfectly fair according to their twisted logic. It's a "better investment".

Modern capitalism in action, folks.

If Asian kid's parents spend $300 for SAT prep class to raise the score by 30 to 60 points on average that is cheating but wealthy white parents spending $15,000 for elite personal tutoring to raise the SAT score by 200 to 300 points on average is an investment?

[Anonymous]

This is what REAL cheating looks like:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/south-korea-sats-cancelled-cheating_n_3267838.html

An entire COUNTRY cheating?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:because of the asian invasion.

When did Asians invade our country? Maybe I missed something?

Been to TJ lately? Koreans all day long. Some straight from Seoul. How they get in, I have no idea.

Indians outnumber all the Chinese and Koreans at TJ.

Indians are Asian, BTW. There was an article about Asians paying for kids to stay with families in this area for HS so they can get into college. The way to get into college in many parts of Asia is 1 test... either to college or to a trade.

So they send their kids to America. Also, there was an article in the paper about how cheating is a way of life in China. It's acceptable just like bribery is acceptable in some countries.

yes, but I have heard Asian kids, Chinese in particular, say it makes sense to take the SAT since it is so much easier that the Chinese college admission tests.

Easier or harder is irrelevant. If you bomb the SATs you still have options, which is the whole point.

they don't bomb the SAts

I am sure a few do, otherwise their parents would be certain they would pass the Chinese admissions test. In the past we just got the smart Chinese, now were are getting the so/so one. I prefer the later.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Uh...my DS got a 2200 without studying. He has friends who got 2350+ without studying. I am fully aware how competitive the world is. That doesn't excuse buying a better score.

Should've added: and I'd be pleasantly surprised if he got into something currently ranked lower than 20 on US News.

This entitlement is what lead to the problem in the first place.

That's just great...for your kid. My kid with a 4.0 is horrible at standardized tests. So my kid should not prep at all? Is that the entitlement of which you speak? My kid wants to go to a top 10 school and has worked for the grades for the last 4 years. My kid is going to do everything possible to better her chances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh...my DS got a 2200 without studying. He has friends who got 2350+ without studying. I am fully aware how competitive the world is. That doesn't excuse buying a better score.

Should've added: and I'd be pleasantly surprised if he got into something currently ranked lower than 20 on US News.

This entitlement is what lead to the problem in the first place.

That's just great...for your kid. My kid with a 4.0 is horrible at standardized tests. So my kid should not prep at all? Is that the entitlement of which you speak? My kid wants to go to a top 10 school and has worked for the grades for the last 4 years. My kid is going to do everything possible to better her chances.

Sorry, but this 'she's just bad at testing!' is such a poor excuse...your kid better learn to be good at testing because in college, her entire grade is going to be off a mid-term and a final...maybe a paper here and there thrown in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is what REAL cheating looks like:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/south-korea-sats-cancelled-cheating_n_3267838.html

An entire COUNTRY cheating?

And this is what SAT cheating looks like in this country:

"Prosecutors said 15 high school students hired five other people for anywhere from $500 to $3,600 each to take the SAT or ACT for them---"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/23/sat-cheating-scandal-widens-as-20-students-charged-in-new-york/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what REAL cheating looks like:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/south-korea-sats-cancelled-cheating_n_3267838.html

An entire COUNTRY cheating?

And this is what SAT cheating looks like in this country:

"Prosecutors said 15 high school students hired five other people for anywhere from $500 to $3,600 each to take the SAT or ACT for them---"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/23/sat-cheating-scandal-widens-as-20-students-charged-in-new-york/

Seems to have been pretty wide spread http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/education/on-long-island-sat-cheating-was-hardly-a-secret.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[Anonymous]

Why would colleges care about grade inflation? - grade inflation is rampant on Ivy League campuses:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/opinion/sunday/leaked-harvards-grading-rubric.html?_r=0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:because of the asian invasion.

When did Asians invade our country? Maybe I missed something?

it was in the early 1990s. They changed the immigration laws and the numbers of Asian immigrants increased dramatically.

Getting accepted to college in this country is hardest for Asian students. All males, except for Asians, have an easier time getting into college than females (only exception is STEM-heavy colleges looking for more female students). The stats don't lie. This fact is easy to verify by a simple Google search.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a reality check for you. My DD has done 12 AP classes, scoring a 4 or 5 on almost all the tests. She has a 4.2 that she has worked her tail off for. She had a 2200 on the SAT, a hook and still did not get into her top three choices. The world we live in is competitive.

Heard that. This was the parent demanding trophies for their child at PeeWee Soccer.

+1 + 1 with you on this one....what a miserable high school life that kid must have enjoyed! For what?????