How did your DC fare applying to top colleges from privates that don't rank or weight grades/GPA?

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Anonymous wrote:Mine got into Princeton and it's a lot harder for girls to do that than boys nowadays since boys aren't doing as well grade wise and SAT wise. You should be fine OP. What activities is your son doing?

Congrats to your daughter. Just have to say how annoying I find it that it is more difficult for girls to gain admission since boys aren't doing well. Doesn't anyone realize how absurd that is? How many decades women were barred from elite schools because they couldn't cut it, but now when they can, the bar is positioned differently. What BS. Again, congrats to your daughter.

Please read the literature on child education and development. Young men mature and develop later than young women, but it tends to even out in their 20s.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine got into Princeton and it's a lot harder for girls to do that than boys nowadays since boys aren't doing as well grade wise and SAT wise. You should be fine OP. What activities is your son doing?

Congrats to your daughter. Just have to say how annoying I find it that it is more difficult for girls to gain admission since boys aren't doing well. Doesn't anyone realize how absurd that is? How many decades women were barred from elite schools because they couldn't cut it, but now when they can, the bar is positioned differently. What BS. Again, congrats to your daughter.

Please read the literature on child education and development. Young men mature and develop later than young women, but it tends to even out in their 20s.

Look, I get that and have a son. But still feel a bit of a whatever. What was the excuse all those preceding decades when women were barred admission? Were young men more mature then, but less now? This is a bit like the gentleman's C and the umbrage that sons of the privileged took when they had to start studying in the 40s, 50s, 60s when colleges opened their doors to hard working students of other races and ethnicities.

Young women master what it takes to gain entry to elite educational institutions and now they have to be twice or three times as good as a guy who gets admitted based on his potential, not present product?

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9 into Yale a few years ago from Sidwell, and about 7-8 into Harvard from GDS in 2012. Some years can be many more than 5-12 in whole group of top privates to a single school, but other years not nearly as many. The schools really know how to look at the classes from the top privates in the area, and in our experience with our kids, mostly there were not huge surprises, really strong classes got a huge number of kids in, weaker classes did not. My kids got into top 5 schools with a few B+'s and SATs >2300, no huge hooks, so it is very possible, but also feel they were very lucky, wrote excellent essays and had both good college counseling, and likely really great teacher recommendations.

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Anonymous wrote:Four kids from Harvard? Are you sure that's right? I know that people are talking about Sidwell placing six kids to Stanford.

Absolutely - I heard it from the 4 moms directly at the school auction, and my child knows 3 of the kids. All early admissions. All top students too though,

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mine got into Princeton and it's a lot harder for girls to do that than boys nowadays since boys aren't doing as well grade wise and SAT wise. You should be fine OP. What activities is your son doing?

Congrats to your daughter. Just have to say how annoying I find it that it is more difficult for girls to gain admission since boys aren't doing well. Doesn't anyone realize how absurd that is? How many decades women were barred from elite schools because they couldn't cut it, but now when they can, the bar is positioned differently. What BS. Again, congrats to your daughter.

Please read the literature on child education and development. Young men mature and develop later than young women, but it tends to even out in their 20s.

Look, I get that and have a son. But still feel a bit of a whatever. What was the excuse all those preceding decades when women were barred admission? Were young men more mature then, but less now? This is a bit like the gentleman's C and the umbrage that sons of the privileged took when they had to start studying in the 40s, 50s, 60s when colleges opened their doors to hard working students of other races and ethnicities.

Young women master what it takes to gain entry to elite educational institutions and now they have to be twice or three times as good as a guy who gets admitted based on his potential, not present product?

In the past, schools clearly discriminated against women in admissions. They have spent the past five decades attempting to remedy the problem, and now the pendulum has swung the other way, with young women being the majority of students in most colleges. The colleges are attempting to promote gender parity -- and what is sauce for the gander, is sauce for the goose.

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I am sorry, but young men have to be very talented to gain admission to the elite universities. It is not the case that these institutions accept A+ young women, and B+ young men.

As the mother of Latino, legacy, young men, I am tired of everyone assuming (or accusing) that they were admitted to top schools because they are Latino, or legacy, or young men. They were admitted to fine universities because they worked incredibly hard (A averages, 2300+ SATs, AP courses, athletics, outside honors), and in fact I still bear "stress scars" from their high school years.

To assume that young men get into great universities for any reason other than their academic and extracurricular achievements and accomplishments is to diminish them (which society seems to be doing to some extent these days), and that is as ugly a form of reverse discrimination as any other.

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I'm sorry but you are uniformed pp. Look at the scores for entry for men and women at any school. Women have to have much better scores/grades. And, yes, if your sons got to check a box...then it was easier for them to get in than others. Embrace it...don't be embarrased by it or try to de- bunk it.

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Stress scars? Is there a cream for that?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but you are uniformed pp. Look at the scores for entry for men and women at any school. Women have to have much better scores/grades. And, yes, if your sons got to check a box...then it was easier for them to get in than others. Embrace it...don't be embarrased by it or try to de- bunk it.

PP. please provide us with concrete examples of how schools make it harder for young women than young men to be admitted. If you can provide a pattern of this bias, do you think that this form of discrimination against the schools? Do you believe that universities should be in the business of providing social parity? Is it possible that each each different sex, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, and of course race, provide something valuable that is worthy of consideration in admissions? Most universities are now majority young women, would you like to see this increase into a super-majority? Do we value characteristics (such as organization, in-class focus) in assigning good grades that place young women at an advantage during the middle- and high-school years? Should we be placing an emphasis on skill sets which young men excel in instead?

There are many complicated questions surrounding these issues, and I think that we need to consider them carefully. Where was your daughter accepted? Do you feel that there are some schools which denied her admission where she would have otherwise been accepted as a young man with the same statistics? What do you think of students from high-achievement schools (Walt Whitman, TJ, Sidwell, NCS) who are compared to other high-achieving students in their class, and suffer by comparison? Be grateful that you have a daughter, cherish her, and rejoice in the fact that there has never been a better time to be a woman in terms of future opportunity, pay, and success!

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Anonymous wrote:Stress scars? Is there a cream for that?

Yes, I think that Sarah Jessica Parker promotes it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but you are uniformed pp. Look at the scores for entry for men and women at any school. Women have to have much better scores/grades. And, yes, if your sons got to check a box...then it was easier for them to get in than others. Embrace it...don't be embarrased by it or try to de- bunk it.

Also, PP, if you are willing to provide your DDs stats (grades, SAT scores, AP/SAT subject test scores, extracurriculars, awards/honors) I will provide my DCs for comparison -- and we can see what it took for each of them to get into their schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but you are uniformed pp. Look at the scores for entry for men and women at any school. Women have to have much better scores/grades. And, yes, if your sons got to check a box...then it was easier for them to get in than others. Embrace it...don't be embarrased by it or try to de- bunk it.

I feel for your deprivation (sister in arms!), and I wish that your daughter had had more success in her college admissions. But as you yourself said above, "embrace it [her college admissions!] . . . don't be embarrassed by it or try to de-bunk it." Your daughter will do well at the university she attends, and she does not have to be an Ivy League graduate to achieve great success in life. Look on the positive side (for her sake) and embrace it!

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Just read the best 388 colleges which includes scores/percentages. I love when women subjugate themselves to men (not)... why so defensive about being Latino--embrace it

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Anonymous wrote:Just read the best 388 colleges which includes scores/percentages. I love when women subjugate themselves to men (not)... why so defensive about being Latino--embrace it

Embrace it? Let me guess, you are an affluent Caucasian woman of a certain age. Right? (It might be best if you deny it).

You are being very dismissive of Latinos. Yes, I embrace being born to immigrant parents who came to this country with nothing. Yes, I embrace my darker skin. Yes, I embrace speaking Spanish only -- until I began first grade speaking no English. Yes, I embrace speaking only Spanish at home my entire childhood. Yes, I embrace being called an "illegal alien" and "immigrant" for most of my early school years. Yes, I embrace earning top grades and test scores in high school, and going on to earn top grades at my elite college and graduate school. Yes, I [totally!] embrace living in a $4 million house, and sending my children to Big 3 privates. Yes, I embrace having all of my American-born children speak only Spanish at home, and having them use it outside the home whenever they have the opportunity to (which, thank God, is happening more often in the country).

If you yourself are not Latina, have no business telling someone who is most definitely and proudly Latina to "embrace it"(!) Would it ever occur to you to approach an African American, a Latino, an Asian, or a Muslim, on the street, and to tell them to "embrace being [African American, Latino, Asian, Muslim]? If hope that your answer is no, and if it is, then do not tell people of different races, religions, or ethnicities to "embrace themselves" on an anonymous forum either. (Donald Sterling is obviously not the only one who should be outed as racist [i]and condescending.)

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Don't assume pp that everyone who is white is affluent and born into money. I put away my violin a long time ago. You seem to want it both ways...to brag about your affluence and then to be able to check the box.