Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But schools already do that! Each year you have to prove residency. This extra scrutiny is what can make people's lives hellish.

Can we get some testimony from a person here who is a legal District resident who has had a "hellish" experience with the extra scrutiny? No?

You haven't given a logical reason for the extra scrutiny, though. If schools have controls in place to prevent this, why take it upon yourself to do this--even though your kid maybe in at that school.

I'm not condoning cheaters, but what's your reason for being a 'bounty hunter'? Schools already require people to prove residency, and if they are found in breach, are charged accordingly. Your time could be better spent, IMHO, fund raising and building up the school community.

No bounty hunting needed. If anyone suspects that a child does not reside in DC, they can report it via the hotline or the form. DCPS and DCPCSB have contracted with investigators who do the legwork. If everything's legit, no worries.

We are talking about people who have proven "residency" via the approved paperwork, but who are not actually residents. This is where the investigations happen; just because parents passed the screening in August doesn't mean they're not subject to investigation if there is reason to believe that they haven't been truthful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you people are in the schools, why the intensity to report? What do you gain? How strange the school community must feel, with every MD driver, a grandparent or divorced parent, who had a student legitimately enrolled but has to wonder if they're being reported for their license plate.

There has to be a better way ...

let's see: DC kids can get the education they are entitled to, instead of be left on a waitlist (e.g. recent case of 6 cheaters found at Stokes, other cheaters found a while ago at YY); my tax dollars go to fund education of DC kids, and not of kids of people who chose to live and pay taxes elsewhere


the reality is that in some schools it appears that residency cheaters exist in good numbers. people who complain about reporting cheaters are probably the cheaters themselves

Kids are getting the education they are "entitled" to, they just might not be from the schools the parents "want". Also, do you have stats that show that residency cheaters exist in good numbers? I find it difficult to believe that given how competitive the lottery is that large numbers of out of state people are even lucky enough to win the lottery to get into these schools in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But schools already do that! Each year you have to prove residency. This extra scrutiny is what can make people's lives hellish.

Can we get some testimony from a person here who is a legal District resident who has had a "hellish" experience with the extra scrutiny? No?

You haven't given a logical reason for the extra scrutiny, though. If schools have controls in place to prevent this, why take it upon yourself to do this--even though your kid maybe in at that school.

I'm not condoning cheaters, but what's your reason for being a 'bounty hunter'? Schools already require people to prove residency, and if they are found in breach, are charged accordingly. Your time could be better spent, IMHO, fund raising and building up the school community.

No bounty hunting needed. If anyone suspects that a child does not reside in DC, they can report it via the hotline or the form. DCPS and DCPCSB have contracted with investigators who do the legwork. If everything's legit, no worries.

We are talking about people who have proven "residency" via the approved paperwork, but who are not actually residents. This is where the investigations happen; just because parents passed the screening in August doesn't mean they're not subject to investigation if there is reason to believe that they haven't been truthful.

1. How do you, frankly, suspect someone is cheating without invading their privacy or breaking the law?
2. Could you be prone to suspicion, too, if someone notices that you take your child across district lines a few evenings?
3. How many of these investigations lead to an actual fraud? I suspect it's mostly a waste of time and money.
3. How is your statement in bold even possible? hmm?

Your arguments for additional scrutiny don't hold water.

[Anonymous]

^^ 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is confidential and you have to absolutely sure. A person has right to face their accuser and I have seen confrotational between the pointer and the pointee. The fingers became fists and it was not pretty at all. An angry parent is wrath that many are not prepared to defend when confronted.

Cheating on residency which prevents deserving DC of their rights is very emotional and not surprisingly causes some people to go to blows. This is why the OSSE needs to better manage this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But schools already do that! Each year you have to prove residency. This extra scrutiny is what can make people's lives hellish.

Can we get some testimony from a person here who is a legal District resident who has had a "hellish" experience with the extra scrutiny? No?

You haven't given a logical reason for the extra scrutiny, though. If schools have controls in place to prevent this, why take it upon yourself to do this--even though your kid maybe in at that school.

I'm not condoning cheaters, but what's your reason for being a 'bounty hunter'? Schools already require people to prove residency, and if they are found in breach, are charged accordingly. Your time could be better spent, IMHO, fund raising and building up the school community.

No bounty hunting needed. If anyone suspects that a child does not reside in DC, they can report it via the hotline or the form. DCPS and DCPCSB have contracted with investigators who do the legwork. If everything's legit, no worries.

We are talking about people who have proven "residency" via the approved paperwork, but who are not actually residents. This is where the investigations happen; just because parents passed the screening in August doesn't mean they're not subject to investigation if there is reason to believe that they haven't been truthful.

1. How do you, frankly, suspect someone is cheating without invading their privacy or breaking the law?
2. Could you be prone to suspicion, too, if someone notices that you take your child across district lines a few evenings?
3. How many of these investigations lead to an actual fraud? I suspect it's mostly a waste of time and money.
3. How is your statement in bold even possible? hmm?

Your arguments for additional scrutiny don't hold water.

Just go the hell back to PG and STFU. This thread has been done no less than 1 Million times. Enough is enough. If you don't want to be investigated (you're some whore leading a double life) move the hell on from DC schools.

[Anonymous]

I'm not a whore or a MD resident, prickly Bitch! I am DC resident through and through so don't come on here telling me what i can and cant post. I didn't see other posts on this topic, i merely responded why the extra scrutiny. Maybe OP shouldn't have created this post.

You seem to be in a tizzy. Forgot to take your meds? it's ok to be crazy. you're special.

[Anonymous]

Just recently, with the weather being warmer. Many are hanging out and looking at license plates and the loud/over-hear comments are being heard. Snapping pictures with camera-phones. I witnessed a fight between two mothers and the primary statement was "mind your own business" and the pushing and shoving commenced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But schools already do that! Each year you have to prove residency. This extra scrutiny is what can make people's lives hellish.

Can we get some testimony from a person here who is a legal District resident who has had a "hellish" experience with the extra scrutiny? No?

You haven't given a logical reason for the extra scrutiny, though. If schools have controls in place to prevent this, why take it upon yourself to do this--even though your kid maybe in at that school.

I'm not condoning cheaters, but what's your reason for being a 'bounty hunter'? Schools already require people to prove residency, and if they are found in breach, are charged accordingly. Your time could be better spent, IMHO, fund raising and building up the school community.

No bounty hunting needed. If anyone suspects that a child does not reside in DC, they can report it via the hotline or the form. DCPS and DCPCSB have contracted with investigators who do the legwork. If everything's legit, no worries.

We are talking about people who have proven "residency" via the approved paperwork, but who are not actually residents. This is where the investigations happen; just because parents passed the screening in August doesn't mean they're not subject to investigation if there is reason to believe that they haven't been truthful.

1. How do you, frankly, suspect someone is cheating without invading their privacy or breaking the law?
2. Could you be prone to suspicion, too, if someone notices that you take your child across district lines a few evenings?
3. How many of these investigations lead to an actual fraud? I suspect it's mostly a waste of time and money.
3. How is your statement in bold even possible? hmm?

Your arguments for additional scrutiny don't hold water.

1. You can suspect someone of cheating if, for example, their child tells you that they live in Maryland while you are on a field trip, or if you get invited to a child's birthday party in PG county, both of which happened to me. Some parents are extremely complacent.
2. I can't control what people think when I drive my DC-tagged car to Maryland, but I would not mind any sort of questioning and have, in fact, consented to a home visit
3. There was a recent report in the Ward 5 newsletter that mentioned about a dozen proven cases of fraud at a handful of schools, with about twice as many investigations still going on. Is that a lot? It seems like a lot to me. I am usually in favor of law enforcement, even if it does cost money.
4. It is actually very easy to "prove" residency if you get someone to put your name on a gas bill and get a DC drivers' license, or change your address on your paystub. That is what you need to do to satisfy some schools. However, even if you fake your documentation, you are still subject to the law, which means that you must prove that your child and a parent or guardian actually live in DC.

It's not that complicated, really. I am always bemused by the DCUM posters who rail that it is illegal for DC to try to enforce its laws, or who swear that there really aren't any address cheaters. It is a very real problem at some schools, and people are right to demand better accountability from OSSE. By the way, I did not report either the kid who told me their address was in MD or the parent who invited me to the party, so shame on me, I guess. It's hard to do to a fellow parent, and I hope that OSSE can push some accountability back to the schools versus requiring the parents to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a whore or a MD resident, prickly Bitch! I am DC resident through and through so don't come on here telling me what i can and cant post. I didn't see other posts on this topic, i merely responded why the extra scrutiny. Maybe OP shouldn't have created this post.

You seem to be in a tizzy. Forgot to take your meds? it's ok to be crazy. you're special.

PP could have been nicer, but clearly is he/she needs meds so do you, Little Ms. Nasty. Also, I agree that these sympathizers are probably cheaters. What's the motivation to work against uncovering residency fraud if they're not.

[Anonymous]

This is a dead horse. Somebody just posted recent cases of fraud on here. Something like 6 at Stokes, 12 or something at Bethune etc... Please search that thread and close this one!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you people are in the schools, why the intensity to report? What do you gain? How strange the school community must feel, with every MD driver, a grandparent or divorced parent, who had a student legitimately enrolled but has to wonder if they're being reported for their license plate.

There has to be a better way ...

let's see: DC kids can get the education they are entitled to, instead of be left on a waitlist (e.g. recent case of 6 cheaters found at Stokes, other cheaters found a while ago at YY); my tax dollars go to fund education of DC kids, and not of kids of people who chose to live and pay taxes elsewhere

I really do not see the drama of being investigated. I could not care less if we are investigated. I could welcome the investigators to our home in DC, invte them to talk to our neighbors who see us every morning get out of our house, show them our paystubs with DC taxes, our car with DC license plate. if we had a grandma or nanny with a MD license plate, it would be pretty easy to show we live in DC. if a family has a more complex situation, they can still accept to be audited. getting an education in a DCPS or DC charter is a service that is free for DC residents. if I apply for any public benefits (food stamps, public housing) I would find normal that I can be audited. and if I drove a mercedes I would find it even more normal.

the reality is that in some schools it appears that residency cheaters exist in good numbers. people who complain about reporting cheaters are probably the cheaters themselves

+1. Couldn't have said it better myself!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a dead horse. Somebody just posted recent cases of fraud on here. Something like 6 at Stokes, 12 or something at Bethune etc... Please search that thread and close this one!

Look not everyone spends day in and day out on this board. If you don't like the discussion don't click on a thread regarding residency fraud if you deem it to be a dead horse. Really quite simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just recently, with the weather being warmer. Many are hanging out and looking at license plates and the loud/over-hear comments are being heard. Snapping pictures with camera-phones. I witnessed a fight between two mothers and the primary statement was "mind your own business" and the pushing and shoving commenced.

What kind of trashy people are these? Good lord.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you people are in the schools, why the intensity to report? What do you gain? How strange the school community must feel, with every MD driver, a grandparent or divorced parent, who had a student legitimately enrolled but has to wonder if they're being reported for their license plate.

There has to be a better way ...

let's see: DC kids can get the education they are entitled to, instead of be left on a waitlist (e.g. recent case of 6 cheaters found at Stokes, other cheaters found a while ago at YY); my tax dollars go to fund education of DC kids, and not of kids of people who chose to live and pay taxes elsewhere


the reality is that in some schools it appears that residency cheaters exist in good numbers. people who complain about reporting cheaters are probably the cheaters themselves

Kids are getting the education they are "entitled" to, they just might not be from the schools the parents "want". Also, do you have stats that show that residency cheaters exist in good numbers? I find it difficult to believe that given how competitive the lottery is that large numbers of out of state people are even lucky enough to win the lottery to get into these schools in the first place.

wow, you really needs guts to say somethins like this. the first 6 kids on the Stokes waitlist did not get the education they were entitled to. they were entitled to get admitted at Stokes because DC residents and because they would have won a spot through the lottery if not for the 6 cheaters who had no title to be there in the first place because no DC residents. especially for low SES kids, missing on a lottery to a good school is mising on the chance of good education, because not all the parents can go private or move to a good IB school. and when you find out about the cheating one or two years later, especially in a language immersion situation, it may be too late, you can't simply go back in time.