Come on, tell the truth...AAP related

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree. Giftedness is really rare.

Ruf Estimates™ of Levels of Gifted Assessment:

http://www.talentigniter.com/ruf-estimates

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedfiles/php/php_articles...ted%20or%20highly%20gifted.pdf

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7286330-5-levels-of-gifted

Level Three (IQ 130-140): There are one or two Level Three children in every 100 in the average school. They are rarely in the same elementary class and can feel very, very lonely.
Level Four (IQ 135-141+): There are about one per 200 children in the average school. Without special arrangements, they can feel very different from their typical classmates.
Level Five (IQ 141+): We know they occur more often than once in a million, and we know regular grade school does not work for them.

Let me guess.. You think your kid is gifted which is why you posted that in response to what I wrote??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me guess.. You think your kid is gifted which is why you posted that in response to what I wrote??

I think all children are gifted. Don't you know that all the children that live within a 45 mile radius of the US Capitol have WISC FSIQ's or 140 and higher? That's because all the parents that live here have even HIGHER IQs. Good genes, you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me guess.. You think your kid is gifted which is why you posted that in response to what I wrote??

I think all children are gifted. Don't you know that all the children that live within a 45 mile radius of the US Capitol have WISC FSIQ's or 140 and higher? That's because all the parents that live here have even HIGHER IQs. Good genes, you know.

All children are gifts. Most children aren't gifted. Most parents think their kids are the gifted exception. Most parents are annoying in that regard.

[Anonymous]

AAP is so watered down it is a joke. Most of the kids in AAp don't belong. As a FCPS teacher I have experienced about four gifted kids in the last ten years. They truly stand out and are rare. Now any parent who pushes can get their average child into AAP. And most of them are AVERAGE! Yes you all think your son or daughter is brilliant. Well, they are not. And continually praising their brilliance is just setting them up for greater failure as many of them believe that they don't need to do anything as mom and dad have constantly told them how bright they are.....

Sigh. I really hope that you do not teach kids math. That is if you really are a teacher.

AAP kids are not average. They still are not AVERAGE even if you shout it in ALL CAPS. The current population of AAP (18% or about 1 out of 5 students) is above average (one or more standard deviations from the mean on a Gaussian population curve) . Please take a remedial course in statistics and get your head out of your ass.

[Anonymous]

I am sure PP that your child is a genius. I agree wih the teacher. Most of the AAP kids, while perhaps not average, are certainly not gifted (except in the eys of their parents).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AAP is so watered down it is a joke. Most of the kids in AAp don't belong. As a FCPS teacher I have experienced about four gifted kids in the last ten years. They truly stand out and are rare. Now any parent who pushes can get their average child into AAP. And most of them are AVERAGE! Yes you all think your son or daughter is brilliant. Well, they are not. And continually praising their brilliance is just setting them up for greater failure as many of them believe that they don't need to do anything as mom and dad have constantly told them how bright they are.....

You are right, but the reason so many push for their kids to be in AAP is because far too often the level of education provided by the teachers in gen ed is substandard so parents feel like AAP is the only way for theIr kids to get a good education. Maybe fixing that issue is a more constructive way to resolve the problems you have with the composition of AAP rather than bashing parents who just want what's best for their kids.

[Anonymous]

I am sure PP that your child is a genius. I agree wih the teacher. Most of the AAP kids, while perhaps not average, are certainly not gifted (except in the eys of their parents).

No. No, my child is not a genius. Why do you assume that he is?

What is very amusing though is how often posters on this forum have assumed that (a) I’m convinced that my child is a genius or (b) are offering me condolences that my child did not get into AAP (when really he did).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree. Giftedness is really rare.

Ruf Estimates™ of Levels of Gifted Assessment:

http://www.talentigniter.com/ruf-estimates

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedfiles/php/php_articles...ted%20or%20highly%20gifted.pdf

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7286330-5-levels-of-gifted

Level Three (IQ 130-140): There are one or two Level Three children in every 100 in the average school. They are rarely in the same elementary class and can feel very, very lonely.
Level Four (IQ 135-141+): There are about one per 200 children in the average school. Without special arrangements, they can feel very different from their typical classmates.
Level Five (IQ 141+): We know they occur more often than once in a million, and we know regular grade school does not work for them.

Definition of rare in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/rare

Definition of rare
adjective (rarer, rarest)
(of an event, situation, or condition) not occurring very often:
a rare genetic disorder

[with infinitive]:
it’s rare to see a house so little altered

(of a thing) not found in large numbers and so of interest or value:
one of Britain’s rarest birds, the honey buzzard
unusually good or remarkable:
he plays with rare sensitivity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree. Giftedness is really rare.

Ruf Estimates™ of Levels of Gifted Assessment:

http://www.talentigniter.com/ruf-estimates

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedfiles/php/php_articles...ted%20or%20highly%20gifted.pdf

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7286330-5-levels-of-gifted

Level Three (IQ 130-140): There are one or two Level Three children in every 100 in the average school. They are rarely in the same elementary class and can feel very, very lonely.
Level Four (IQ 135-141+): There are about one per 200 children in the average school. Without special arrangements, they can feel very different from their typical classmates.
Level Five (IQ 141+): We know they occur more often than once in a million, and we know regular grade school does not work for them.

Definition of rare in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/rare

Definition of rare
adjective (rarer, rarest)
(of an event, situation, or condition) not occurring very often:
a rare genetic disorder

[with infinitive]:
it’s rare to see a house so little altered

(of a thing) not found in large numbers and so of interest or value:
one of Britain’s rarest birds, the honey buzzard
unusually good or remarkable:
he plays with rare sensitivity

Do you have a point other than showing you know how to use a dictionary?

[Anonymous]

Not sure why people are getting AAP confused with "genius" but it looks pretty silly...

[Anonymous]

Yeah, they call it AAP not GT for a reason. As long as kids are advanced academically, they belong in AAP. As far as how advanced they need be to make in AAP, it's up to FCPS to decide. If only so called "genius" belong to AAP, there will be what, 50 kids each grade for the whole county, if that much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree. Giftedness is really rare.

Ruf Estimates™ of Levels of Gifted Assessment:

http://www.talentigniter.com/ruf-estimates

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedfiles/php/php_articles...ted%20or%20highly%20gifted.pdf

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7286330-5-levels-of-gifted

Level Three (IQ 130-140): There are one or two Level Three children in every 100 in the average school. They are rarely in the same elementary class and can feel very, very lonely.
Level Four (IQ 135-141+): There are about one per 200 children in the average school. Without special arrangements, they can feel very different from their typical classmates.
Level Five (IQ 141+): We know they occur more often than once in a million, and we know regular grade school does not work for them.

Definition of rare in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/rare

Definition of rare
adjective (rarer, rarest)
(of an event, situation, or condition) not occurring very often:
a rare genetic disorder

[with infinitive]:
it’s rare to see a house so little altered

(of a thing) not found in large numbers and so of interest or value:
one of Britain’s rarest birds, the honey buzzard
unusually good or remarkable:
he plays with rare sensitivity

Do you have a point other than showing you know how to use a dictionary?

RARE <> ONE IN A MILLION

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they call it AAP not GT for a reason.

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/gtac/GTAC2006-07AnnualReport.pdf

Changing the name of Gifted and Talented Programs
Background
As part of one of the three recommendations presented by GTAC to the School Board in
May 2006, the Committee suggested developing a framework for creating and fostering a
positive school climate in schools which currently have a GT Center. We recognized that
administrators and teachers must promote respectful interactions between center and
noncenter students. Finally, we recommended that schools should integrate GT students
into the total school community through team building and improved communication, as
well as provide parents a better understanding of the GT curriculum or Level IV service.
The Committee recognizes and commends the ongoing efforts by the School Board and its
staff to respond to these issues.
* * *
During the course of the GTAC discussions this year, the question was raised about the
name of the program itself. We know that the State of Virginia requires Fairfax County
Public Schools to provide gifted services, but it does not designate the name of those
services. Several choices were discussed and, while some members did not support a
change, the majority of the Committee membership approved of a name change from
Gifted and Talented Services to Advanced Academic Programs. It was felt by the
Committee that this name change emphasizes efforts to put a label on the service being
offered and recognizes the academic nature of the program.

[Anonymous]

Hey Einsteins, almost all of these kids in AAP are not geniuses. And everyone is talented in their own way. And your definition of gifted is most likely not my definition of gifted!

The kids in AAP are simply brighter than average (as determined by tests, grades, ratings, etc) and willing to work hard (AKA ambition). I have NO problem with this or even raising the test scores somewhat. What I don't want to see is AAP limited to a handful of great test takers or the few who are deemed "truly gifted"...

[Anonymous]

Whoa there PP. Many AAP kids are not hard workers. Many have constantly been told how bright they are and feel no need to do any work. At my school so many AAP kids do not produce and the teachers don't know what to do. Someone determined that they are advanced academically but they don't do any work. What do we do with such children?