Outrageous Contractor Stories

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Anonymous wrote:What about the appliance repair guys and plumbers that charge $50 for an item you can order online for $2.50. I realize the it is not a ton of money but proportionately it is a crazy profit ratio.....

Overhead. They have overhead.

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

I fully agree with you. In addition, there is also government regulations that affect cost. I had a couple mice get into my beach house. Because of the Hanta virus fears (there's been 1 case, mind you, in 30 or so years), full HAZMAT suits were required to remove the insulation and clean up the unfinished basement. Cost? $2,500. I paid another company an additional $1,800 to critter proof the home, with the guarantee they will remove anything that gets in at their cost. Replacing the insulation in the unfinished basement will be another $2,500. I think we will have it finished first.

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Also notice how the county inspectors are in cahoots with the the white contractors.

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

I fully agree with you. In addition, there is also government regulations that affect cost. I had a couple mice get into my beach house. Because of the Hanta virus fears (there's been 1 case, mind you, in 30 or so years), full HAZMAT suits were required to remove the insulation and clean up the unfinished basement. Cost? $2,500. I paid another company an additional $1,800 to critter proof the home, with the guarantee they will remove anything that gets in at their cost. Replacing the insulation in the unfinished basement will be another $2,500. I think we will have it finished first.

I am a wife and homeowner who really likes to spend as less as I can on contractors (my DH does as much as we can at home, he just retiled the bathroom after water started vleaking down from the kitchen cealing so we did not have to pay somebody $$$ to do it, I am planning to put new nets in the screened porch myself, let's see how it goes), but in this case I fully agree with the builder. $250 for two people to come (presumably on a short notice) and go up to the roof (presumably 20 oe 30 feet off the ground) with everything covered in snow and ice does not sound cheap but does not sound outrageous - I would have expected around $200. if you think it is an easy peasy 15 minute job, next time go up the ladder and do it yourself (your DH had surgery, but you had not so why calling somebody else?).

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

I agree with this. When you're talking about roof work you're paying for someone to take the risk, not necessarily for the time spent. I'm sure as heck not going g to risk my up on my roof. I knew someone who used to do his own gutter cleaning who broke both legs falling off the roof. No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

Using a ladder to get on a roof and a shovel WTF. Spare us the pitty party! And if your worker fell off the roof you guys would be the ones to sue not the laborers.

I don't hire manual labor people who charge more per an hour then me and I have multiple degrees w/ almost $100 hour rate.

Trust me - you have anyone on your roof and they fall off - you and your homeowners' insurer are getting sued. And that includes my crews or anyone else's. The difference is that I carry enough insurance so that they will want to come after me not you. Now if it happens you have really deep pockets that's where they are going...if you are not comfortable paying for services - don't. My buddy that fell was a sales rep for a large software company. I am sure he made a reasonable living but not large. So, he may begrudge a guy making 100/hr to go on the roof and clean it off. He elected to do it himself and he fell. I have another neighbor, 52 years old, cutting down a tree, on a ladder, fell off the ladder - and you guessed it - dead. Tree guys make good money - perhaps better than some mid-level white collar folks - but their risk profiles are completely different. And if you normalized their capital income stream based on risk, as the tree guy may be injured and out of work at any time, he may need to charge more. To net it out - do not begrudge the "manual" labor tradesmen for getting paid for his risk and knowledge. Listen to your visceral voice and hire honest folks, and be thankful you have the money to pay someone to climb on your roof so that you do not have to....and for what it is worth, builder here, Master Degree in Computer Engineering. Plenty of work for my computer skills but I chose to build by choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

Using a ladder to get on a roof and a shovel WTF. Spare us the pitty party! And if your worker fell off the roof you guys would be the ones to sue not the laborers.

I don't hire manual labor people who charge more per an hour then me and I have multiple degrees w/ almost $100 hour rate.

Trust me - you have anyone on your roof and they fall off - you and your homeowners' insurer are getting sued. And that includes my crews or anyone else's. The difference is that I carry enough insurance so that they will want to come after me not you. Now if it happens you have really deep pockets that's where they are going...if you are not comfortable paying for services - don't. My buddy that fell was a sales rep for a large software company. I am sure he made a reasonable living but not large. So, he may begrudge a guy making 100/hr to go on the roof and clean it off. He elected to do it himself and he fell. I have another neighbor, 52 years old, cutting down a tree, on a ladder, fell off the ladder - and you guessed it - dead. Tree guys make good money - perhaps better than some mid-level white collar folks - but their risk profiles are completely different. And if you normalized their capital income stream based on risk, as the tree guy may be injured and out of work at any time, he may need to charge more. To net it out - do not begrudge the "manual" labor tradesmen for getting paid for his risk and knowledge. Listen to your visceral voice and hire honest folks, and be thankful you have the money to pay someone to climb on your roof so that you do not have to....and for what it is worth, builder here, Master Degree in Computer Engineering. Plenty of work for my computer skills but I chose to build by choice.

your high prices caused this guy to fall of his roof, Congrats!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

Using a ladder to get on a roof and a shovel WTF. Spare us the pitty party! And if your worker fell off the roof you guys would be the ones to sue not the laborers.

I don't hire manual labor people who charge more per an hour then me and I have multiple degrees w/ almost $100 hour rate.

Trust me - you have anyone on your roof and they fall off - you and your homeowners' insurer are getting sued. And that includes my crews or anyone else's. The difference is that I carry enough insurance so that they will want to come after me not you. Now if it happens you have really deep pockets that's where they are going...if you are not comfortable paying for services - don't. My buddy that fell was a sales rep for a large software company. I am sure he made a reasonable living but not large. So, he may begrudge a guy making 100/hr to go on the roof and clean it off. He elected to do it himself and he fell. I have another neighbor, 52 years old, cutting down a tree, on a ladder, fell off the ladder - and you guessed it - dead. Tree guys make good money - perhaps better than some mid-level white collar folks - but their risk profiles are completely different. And if you normalized their capital income stream based on risk, as the tree guy may be injured and out of work at any time, he may need to charge more. To net it out - do not begrudge the "manual" labor tradesmen for getting paid for his risk and knowledge. Listen to your visceral voice and hire honest folks, and be thankful you have the money to pay someone to climb on your roof so that you do not have to....and for what it is worth, builder here, Master Degree in Computer Engineering. Plenty of work for my computer skills but I chose to build by choice.

your high prices caused this guy to fall of his roof, Congrats!

Umm. No.

$250 to clean off an icy roof is completely reasonable. Completely. I would grit my teeth while paying it, but it's reasonable. You people probably pay your nannies $6 an hour, too...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

Using a ladder to get on a roof and a shovel WTF. Spare us the pitty party! And if your worker fell off the roof you guys would be the ones to sue not the laborers.

I don't hire manual labor people who charge more per an hour then me and I have multiple degrees w/ almost $100 hour rate.

Trust me - you have anyone on your roof and they fall off - you and your homeowners' insurer are getting sued. And that includes my crews or anyone else's. The difference is that I carry enough insurance so that they will want to come after me not you. Now if it happens you have really deep pockets that's where they are going...if you are not comfortable paying for services - don't. My buddy that fell was a sales rep for a large software company. I am sure he made a reasonable living but not large. So, he may begrudge a guy making 100/hr to go on the roof and clean it off. He elected to do it himself and he fell. I have another neighbor, 52 years old, cutting down a tree, on a ladder, fell off the ladder - and you guessed it - dead. Tree guys make good money - perhaps better than some mid-level white collar folks - but their risk profiles are completely different. And if you normalized their capital income stream based on risk, as the tree guy may be injured and out of work at any time, he may need to charge more. To net it out - do not begrudge the "manual" labor tradesmen for getting paid for his risk and knowledge. Listen to your visceral voice and hire honest folks, and be thankful you have the money to pay someone to climb on your roof so that you do not have to....and for what it is worth, builder here, Master Degree in Computer Engineering. Plenty of work for my computer skills but I chose to build by choice.

your high prices caused this guy to fall of his roof, Congrats!

Umm. No.

$250 to clean off an icy roof is completely reasonable. Completely. I would grit my teeth while paying it, but it's reasonable. You people probably pay your nannies $6 an hour, too...

You can go to home depot and get someone to do it for 40-50 bux which is reasonable for 15 minutes. All the builders do this anyways they just over charge to be able to refund or cover overhead in case a customer complains.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

Using a ladder to get on a roof and a shovel WTF. Spare us the pitty party! And if your worker fell off the roof you guys would be the ones to sue not the laborers.

I don't hire manual labor people who charge more per an hour then me and I have multiple degrees w/ almost $100 hour rate.

Trust me - you have anyone on your roof and they fall off - you and your homeowners' insurer are getting sued. And that includes my crews or anyone else's. The difference is that I carry enough insurance so that they will want to come after me not you. Now if it happens you have really deep pockets that's where they are going...if you are not comfortable paying for services - don't. My buddy that fell was a sales rep for a large software company. I am sure he made a reasonable living but not large. So, he may begrudge a guy making 100/hr to go on the roof and clean it off. He elected to do it himself and he fell. I have another neighbor, 52 years old, cutting down a tree, on a ladder, fell off the ladder - and you guessed it - dead. Tree guys make good money - perhaps better than some mid-level white collar folks - but their risk profiles are completely different. And if you normalized their capital income stream based on risk, as the tree guy may be injured and out of work at any time, he may need to charge more. To net it out - do not begrudge the "manual" labor tradesmen for getting paid for his risk and knowledge. Listen to your visceral voice and hire honest folks, and be thankful you have the money to pay someone to climb on your roof so that you do not have to....and for what it is worth, builder here, Master Degree in Computer Engineering. Plenty of work for my computer skills but I chose to build by choice.

your high prices caused this guy to fall of his roof, Congrats!

Umm. No.

$250 to clean off an icy roof is completely reasonable. Completely. I would grit my teeth while paying it, but it's reasonable. You people probably pay your nannies $6 an hour, too...

Not all of us are rich builders ripping off everyone in sight .

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

Using a ladder to get on a roof and a shovel WTF. Spare us the pitty party! And if your worker fell off the roof you guys would be the ones to sue not the laborers.

I don't hire manual labor people who charge more per an hour then me and I have multiple degrees w/ almost $100 hour rate.

Trust me - you have anyone on your roof and they fall off - you and your homeowners' insurer are getting sued. And that includes my crews or anyone else's. The difference is that I carry enough insurance so that they will want to come after me not you. Now if it happens you have really deep pockets that's where they are going...if you are not comfortable paying for services - don't. My buddy that fell was a sales rep for a large software company. I am sure he made a reasonable living but not large. So, he may begrudge a guy making 100/hr to go on the roof and clean it off. He elected to do it himself and he fell. I have another neighbor, 52 years old, cutting down a tree, on a ladder, fell off the ladder - and you guessed it - dead. Tree guys make good money - perhaps better than some mid-level white collar folks - but their risk profiles are completely different. And if you normalized their capital income stream based on risk, as the tree guy may be injured and out of work at any time, he may need to charge more. To net it out - do not begrudge the "manual" labor tradesmen for getting paid for his risk and knowledge. Listen to your visceral voice and hire honest folks, and be thankful you have the money to pay someone to climb on your roof so that you do not have to....and for what it is worth, builder here, Master Degree in Computer Engineering. Plenty of work for my computer skills but I chose to build by choice.

your high prices caused this guy to fall of his roof, Congrats!

Umm. No.

$250 to clean off an icy roof is completely reasonable. Completely. I would grit my teeth while paying it, but it's reasonable. You people probably pay your nannies $6 an hour, too...

You can go to home depot and get someone to do it for 40-50 bux which is reasonable for 15 minutes. All the builders do this anyways they just over charge to be able to refund or cover overhead in case a customer complains.

translation - I don't want to pay his fair due somebody with the skills and tools to do the job minimizing the risks (and having enough insurance that if something happens the victim may get enough money to get the needed treatment, even long term, and compensation), but I am too f$$%ing coward and lazy to get up my a$$ and do it myself (yes, when I talk to my friend I love to complain about the greedy contractors but when it is time to move my hands instead of my mouth, well, that's another story). so I go to HD, where I find a long line of desperates who go there every day before sunrise hoping to get hired for a few bucks. I make the price, for one who does not take it, there are 10 who are ready to jump (market competition!). is the price fair? sure, it is just a 15 minutes job, I charge $100 an hour wfor my desk job with my 23 dregrees so I am actually being generous. I can even feel good that I am helping out a poor soul, I am sure in his country he would even be paid less. if he falls and brake a leg, well, that's his fault, these Guatemalan has really not used to the snow, I just dump him back at HD

in short: if you don't want to pay, fair, just do it yourself. exploiting people who are so desperate that are simply at your mercy it is disgusting. we are talking about going up to an icy roof, not raking some leaves or moving a dresser

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

Using a ladder to get on a roof and a shovel WTF. Spare us the pitty party! And if your worker fell off the roof you guys would be the ones to sue not the laborers.

I don't hire manual labor people who charge more per an hour then me and I have multiple degrees w/ almost $100 hour rate.

Trust me - you have anyone on your roof and they fall off - you and your homeowners' insurer are getting sued. And that includes my crews or anyone else's. The difference is that I carry enough insurance so that they will want to come after me not you. Now if it happens you have really deep pockets that's where they are going...if you are not comfortable paying for services - don't. My buddy that fell was a sales rep for a large software company. I am sure he made a reasonable living but not large. So, he may begrudge a guy making 100/hr to go on the roof and clean it off. He elected to do it himself and he fell. I have another neighbor, 52 years old, cutting down a tree, on a ladder, fell off the ladder - and you guessed it - dead. Tree guys make good money - perhaps better than some mid-level white collar folks - but their risk profiles are completely different. And if you normalized their capital income stream based on risk, as the tree guy may be injured and out of work at any time, he may need to charge more. To net it out - do not begrudge the "manual" labor tradesmen for getting paid for his risk and knowledge. Listen to your visceral voice and hire honest folks, and be thankful you have the money to pay someone to climb on your roof so that you do not have to....and for what it is worth, builder here, Master Degree in Computer Engineering. Plenty of work for my computer skills but I chose to build by choice.

your high prices caused this guy to fall of his roof, Congrats!

Umm. No.

$250 to clean off an icy roof is completely reasonable. Completely. I would grit my teeth while paying it, but it's reasonable. You people probably pay your nannies $6 an hour, too...

You can go to home depot and get someone to do it for 40-50 bux which is reasonable for 15 minutes. All the builders do this anyways they just over charge to be able to refund or cover overhead in case a customer complains.

translation - I don't want to pay his fair due somebody with the skills and tools to do the job minimizing the risks (and having enough insurance that if something happens the victim may get enough money to get the needed treatment, even long term, and compensation), but I am too f$$%ing coward and lazy to get up my a$$ and do it myself (yes, when I talk to my friend I love to complain about the greedy contractors but when it is time to move my hands instead of my mouth, well, that's another story). so I go to HD, where I find a long line of desperates who go there every day before sunrise hoping to get hired for a few bucks. I make the price, for one who does not take it, there are 10 who are ready to jump (market competition!). is the price fair? sure, it is just a 15 minutes job, I charge $100 an hour wfor my desk job with my 23 dregrees so I am actually being generous. I can even feel good that I am helping out a poor soul, I am sure in his country he would even be paid less. if he falls and brake a leg, well, that's his fault, these Guatemalan has really not used to the snow, I just dump him back at HD

in short: if you don't want to pay, fair, just do it yourself. exploiting people who are so desperate that are simply at your mercy it is disgusting. we are talking about going up to an icy roof, not raking some leaves or moving a dresser

Wooah wooah check your math 50 bux for 15 minutes is like 300 an hour, not bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Guy whose wife is constantly talking him up on a local listserv. They go on and on about being family owned, honest, etc.

After a bad ice/snowstorm a couple of years ago when DH had just had surgery, I got desperate about getting extra snow off the roof. He and his buddy charged me $250 for whaat was literally 15 minutes' work. I always felt like a chump but it was a hard time and i didn't argue with them. I figure they made thousands that day, taking advantage of people in our neighborhood. Every time I see his wife post on the listserv I feel irritated.

Builder here - different locale...same coin - different side. I have had folks ask me to come shovel their roofs because they have leaks - send licensed roofing crews - not laborers so if they fall the homeowner will not be losing his house. Ensure we protect foundation plantings and dig them out afterward. Charged good money but look at my business risk - folks fall off roofs all the times - and it is years of litigation - well you have to hedge that risk and its called price. Sure you could do it yourself - just like a friend of mine did in NJ last year - only problem is that he is now dead - he fell. Everyone wants you to stop the leaks - you would be surprised how tight they get when you have to chase the money. I just sent two my guys to put a 20x20 tarp on a roof, got the call the day before 18 inches of snow, got it done. I have a bill for 558.00 for the client, called her about it and I cannot get a phone call back about my bill. Should have charged her double for that risk.

And by the way - fifteen minutes of work - how did he get to your house ? Who pays for that ? And do you think you were the only freaked out housewife - no - so how does he know which housewife to service ? When demand exceeds price, price increases. You had a two guys come to your house, climb up on a roof after a bad ice storm, and your pissed he charged you 250.00 dollars. How much does your purse cost - or your nice boots ? But you want some poor bastard to risk his life climbing up on a icy roof to fix your house. Sounds like you should have said thanks.

Using a ladder to get on a roof and a shovel WTF. Spare us the pitty party! And if your worker fell off the roof you guys would be the ones to sue not the laborers.

I don't hire manual labor people who charge more per an hour then me and I have multiple degrees w/ almost $100 hour rate.

Trust me - you have anyone on your roof and they fall off - you and your homeowners' insurer are getting sued. And that includes my crews or anyone else's. The difference is that I carry enough insurance so that they will want to come after me not you. Now if it happens you have really deep pockets that's where they are going...if you are not comfortable paying for services - don't. My buddy that fell was a sales rep for a large software company. I am sure he made a reasonable living but not large. So, he may begrudge a guy making 100/hr to go on the roof and clean it off. He elected to do it himself and he fell. I have another neighbor, 52 years old, cutting down a tree, on a ladder, fell off the ladder - and you guessed it - dead. Tree guys make good money - perhaps better than some mid-level white collar folks - but their risk profiles are completely different. And if you normalized their capital income stream based on risk, as the tree guy may be injured and out of work at any time, he may need to charge more. To net it out - do not begrudge the "manual" labor tradesmen for getting paid for his risk and knowledge. Listen to your visceral voice and hire honest folks, and be thankful you have the money to pay someone to climb on your roof so that you do not have to....and for what it is worth, builder here, Master Degree in Computer Engineering. Plenty of work for my computer skills but I chose to build by choice.

your high prices caused this guy to fall of his roof, Congrats!

Umm. No.

$250 to clean off an icy roof is completely reasonable. Completely. I would grit my teeth while paying it, but it's reasonable. You people probably pay your nannies $6 an hour, too...

You can go to home depot and get someone to do it for 40-50 bux which is reasonable for 15 minutes. All the builders do this anyways they just over charge to be able to refund or cover overhead in case a customer complains.

translation - I don't want to pay his fair due somebody with the skills and tools to do the job minimizing the risks (and having enough insurance that if something happens the victim may get enough money to get the needed treatment, even long term, and compensation), but I am too f$$%ing coward and lazy to get up my a$$ and do it myself (yes, when I talk to my friend I love to complain about the greedy contractors but when it is time to move my hands instead of my mouth, well, that's another story). so I go to HD, where I find a long line of desperates who go there every day before sunrise hoping to get hired for a few bucks. I make the price, for one who does not take it, there are 10 who are ready to jump (market competition!). is the price fair? sure, it is just a 15 minutes job, I charge $100 an hour wfor my desk job with my 23 dregrees so I am actually being generous. I can even feel good that I am helping out a poor soul, I am sure in his country he would even be paid less. if he falls and brake a leg, well, that's his fault, these Guatemalan has really not used to the snow, I just dump him back at HD

in short: if you don't want to pay, fair, just do it yourself. exploiting people who are so desperate that are simply at your mercy it is disgusting. we are talking about going up to an icy roof, not raking some leaves or moving a dresser

clap clap clap you're so cool

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$250 to clean off an icy roof is completely reasonable. Completely. I would grit my teeth while paying it, but it's reasonable. You people probably pay your nannies $6 an hour, too...

LOL. I was fourth poster at 20:57 - fell off a ladder on a roof job once and broke my ankle. There was no LOL over that, I assure you. The tenor in this thread seems to be highly paid, entitled suburbanites believe anyone who does not wear a startched white shirt to work is worthy of Mexican wages and nothing more. Get your butt up on your own roof for a change!

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$250 to clean off an icy roof is completely reasonable. Completely. I would grit my teeth while paying it, but it's reasonable. You people probably pay your nannies $6 an hour, too...

LOL. I was fourth poster at 20:57 - fell off a ladder on a roof job once and broke my ankle. There was no LOL over that, I assure you. The tenor in this thread seems to be highly paid, entitled suburbanites believe anyone who does not wear a startched white shirt to work is worthy of Mexican wages and nothing more. Get your butt up on your own roof for a change!

LoL you a are an idiot darwin awards