Infertility is a disability (teacher at private catholic school fired for IVF)

[Anonymous]

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All fertility treatments are frowned upon by the Catholic church (IUI included) thus seeing an RE would probably be grounds for firing. I'm sure she felt her job was at risk and was looking for compassion. Shockingly, the Catholic church, as Christians, have none to offer women.

I thought they had recently loosened their restrictions on IUI? That was the indication in several reports on this. But you're right - the Church sure is lacking in compassion.

[Anonymous]

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It sounds like people asked her the standard innocuous questions about "when are you going to have a second?" It doesn't sound like they were rooting through her trash looking for proof on EOBs. I'm an IVF vetern, and like it or not, there are people out there who believe it is immoral. If you happen to work for those people, why the heck would you blatantly tell people you were doing something that the organization specifically does NOT sanction? As a PP said, if it comes down to documentation, get the RE to write a vague note about ongoing treatment. When people keep asking the question about more kids, just say, "I'm having some medical issues right now." Period. By going into detail about something that is specifically prohibited by her organization's moral code, she took a risk, and she lost.

this was what I was getting at in my other post. She was not obligated to tell them EXACTLY what treatments she was receiving. And so what if people talk? Sure, the pressure will be intense, but if you were working somewhere that such a thing is considered immoral, why the hell would you share such intensely personal and detailed information? There are all kinds of fertility treatments - IVF is just one type. How would someone know that it was IVF and not IUI if you just left it at "treatments" if you MUST share?

Do I agree with her firing? No, I think the Catholic Church has lost it's damn mind with this garbage. But knowing what type of workplace you are in, and the views of the Catholic Church that you work for, WHY would you open yourself up to this if there are ways around it?

All fertility treatments are frowned upon by the Catholic church (IUI included) thus seeing an RE would probably be grounds for firing. I'm sure she felt her job was at risk and was looking for compassion. Shockingly, the Catholic church, as Christians, have none to offer women.

Absolutely, unequivocally, untrue. This is a horrifically bigoted thing to think and write. Just because you have a different perspective does not mean that you are right. Yes, it is popular to bash Catholicism these days, but there are plenty of us (yes, women) out there who do not feel that our collective experiment with birth control, abortion, and assisted fertility has been a inherent blessing to women (or men, for that matter). In my opinion, providing these services is nothing about compassion, and all about control, power, and money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Absolutely, unequivocally, untrue. This is a horrifically bigoted thing to think and write. Just because you have a different perspective does not mean that you are right. Yes, it is popular to bash Catholicism these days, but there are plenty of us (yes, women) out there who do not feel that our collective experiment with birth control, abortion, and assisted fertility has been a inherent blessing to women (or men, for that matter). In my opinion, providing these services is nothing about compassion, and all about control, power, and money.

Agreed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like people asked her the standard innocuous questions about "when are you going to have a second?" It doesn't sound like they were rooting through her trash looking for proof on EOBs. I'm an IVF vetern, and like it or not, there are people out there who believe it is immoral. If you happen to work for those people, why the heck would you blatantly tell people you were doing something that the organization specifically does NOT sanction? As a PP said, if it comes down to documentation, get the RE to write a vague note about ongoing treatment. When people keep asking the question about more kids, just say, "I'm having some medical issues right now." Period. By going into detail about something that is specifically prohibited by her organization's moral code, she took a risk, and she lost.

this was what I was getting at in my other post. She was not obligated to tell them EXACTLY what treatments she was receiving. And so what if people talk? Sure, the pressure will be intense, but if you were working somewhere that such a thing is considered immoral, why the hell would you share such intensely personal and detailed information? There are all kinds of fertility treatments - IVF is just one type. How would someone know that it was IVF and not IUI if you just left it at "treatments" if you MUST share?

Do I agree with her firing? No, I think the Catholic Church has lost it's damn mind with this garbage. But knowing what type of workplace you are in, and the views of the Catholic Church that you work for, WHY would you open yourself up to this if there are ways around it?

All fertility treatments are frowned upon by the Catholic church (IUI included) thus seeing an RE would probably be grounds for firing. I'm sure she felt her job was at risk and was looking for compassion. Shockingly, the Catholic church, as Christians, have none to offer women.

REs do plenty of other things besides IVF and IUIs. So, no, seeing an RE is not an automoatic red flag.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely, unequivocally, untrue. This is a horrifically bigoted thing to think and write. Just because you have a different perspective does not mean that you are right. Yes, it is popular to bash Catholicism these days, but there are plenty of us (yes, women) out there who do not feel that our collective experiment with birth control, abortion, and assisted fertility has been a inherent blessing to women (or men, for that matter). In my opinion, providing these services is nothing about compassion, and all about control, power, and money.
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Could you elaborate on this? You don't think birth control or assisted fertility have been a blessing to people? Can you explain why you think that?

[Anonymous]

Maybe the Catholic church should implement don't ask don't tell.

I think it's sad that they would fire her for trying to have another baby. If only it had been erectile dysfunction that was causing her infertility. Cuz Viagra is OK with the church.

So the church is saying when it comes to a uterus, you are stuck with what God decides. Penises are subject to different rules. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Catholic church should implement don't ask don't tell.

I think it's sad that they would fire her for trying to have another baby. If only it had been erectile dysfunction that was causing her infertility. Cuz Viagra is OK with the church.

So the church is saying when it comes to a uterus, you are stuck with what God decides. Penises are subject to different rules. Got it.

EXACTLY

Complete Hypocrisy. But what do you expect from a church that claims to care about kids when they for YEARS hid the abuse of children by their own officials?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely, unequivocally, untrue. This is a horrifically bigoted thing to think and write. Just because you have a different perspective does not mean that you are right. Yes, it is popular to bash Catholicism these days, but there are plenty of us (yes, women) out there who do not feel that our collective experiment with birth control, abortion, and assisted fertility has been a inherent blessing to women (or men, for that matter). In my opinion, providing these services is nothing about compassion, and all about control, power, and money.
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Could you elaborate on this? You don't think birth control or assisted fertility have been a blessing to people? Can you explain why you think that?

Exactly, for the church control an money trump compassion. Frankly it's always been that way (hello paying for forgiveness aka indulgence)