Discrepancy between Cogat and NNAT2 scores mean anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/pediatrics;108/4/1033.pdf

RECOMMENDATION 1: Primary care clinicians should establish a management program that recognizes ADHD as a chronic condition (strength of evidence: good; strength of recommendation: strong).

RECOMMENDATION 2: The treating clinician, parents, and the child, in collaboration with school personnel, should specify appropriate target outcomes to guide management (strength of evidence: good; strength of recommendation: strong).

RECOMMENDATION 3: The clinician should recommend stimulant medication (strength of evidence: good) and/or behavior therapy (strength of evidence: fair), as appropriate, to improve target outcomes in children with ADHD (strength of recommendation: strong).

RECOMMENDATION 4:When the selected management for a child with ADHD has not met target outcomes, clinicians should evaluate the original diagnosis, use of all appropriate treatments, adherence to the treatment plan, and presence of coexisting conditions (strength of evidence: weak; strength of recommendation: strong).

RECOMMENDATION 5: The clinician should periodically provide a systematic follow-up for the child with ADHD. Monitoring should be directed to target outcomes and adverse effects by obtaining specific information from parents, teachers, and the child (strength of evidence: fair; strength of recommendation: strong).

I'm sorry, but this is not helpful in the least and I'm going to assume you are trying to be helpful and not a smartass.

Some children with ADHD are on medication and/or undergoing behavioral therapy.

[Anonymous]

11:29, I am the poster you are responding too. And I honestly don't know, they are not my kids. I know they have ADHD because I have chatted with parents and they have mentioned it. My own child has ADHD like behaviors but no diagnosis,. She has an anxiety diagnosis and a 504 for anxiety. Her teachers at the center are far more understanding of her needs and more capable of handling her issues than at our base school. FWIW, she is not on meds for the anxiety although we are considering it.

Good luck with your decision.

[Anonymous]

My son took the NNAT2 test and scored a 134 on the Naglieri Ability Index and a 98 Percentile Rank. I know this is good but what does it mean? Can this help him for Jr. High School next year?

[Anonymous]

My DC got a 130 on the CogAt and 124 on the NNAT2 and didn't make it in the pool. Interesting.

My DC got similar scores. We parent refered into the pool. We got the acceptance letter last week. I now suspect GBRS were higher than anticipated.

[Anonymous]

For the original poster. My child scored 130 NNAT and 117 composite CogAT (all subtests in 115-120 range). Rejected. We just got WISC today and he scored 130 Verbal and 130 Perceptual. He is ADHD. So, sometimes an ADHD child will test with a large gap, and then sometimes he will be perfectly consistent, I guess. We'll see what the appeals committee does with this one! Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the original poster. My child scored 130 NNAT and 117 composite CogAT (all subtests in 115-120 range). Rejected. We just got WISC today and he scored 130 Verbal and 130 Perceptual. He is ADHD. So, sometimes an ADHD child will test with a large gap, and then sometimes he will be perfectly consistent, I guess. We'll see what the appeals committee does with this one! Good luck.

Congratulations! Another possible factor--I've tested quite a few children with fine-motor issues who performed better on the WISC-IV than a CogAT because the latter is a paper/pencil test.

[Anonymous]

Hmmm. I wonder if that is an element with my ADHD son. You sound experienced -- do you think the 130/130 on WISC will be enough on appeal? Looking at the other posts, I got the feeling he would need a score in the 140's or something. His GBRS is 12. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm. I wonder if that is an element with my ADHD son. You sound experienced -- do you think the 130/130 on WISC will be enough on appeal? Looking at the other posts, I got the feeling he would need a score in the 140's or something. His GBRS is 12. Thanks!

The reason the NNAT and CogAT scores differ is that the NNAT2 is a short, unreliable, single format (figure matrix) test with bad norms that is mostly designed to try to equalize ethnic differences, not accurately measure ability. The idea behind the NNAT and NNAT-2 is to offer schools a cheap, short ability test that supposedly eliminates racial differences in scores. The CogAT, WISC, and most other intelligence tests are built to much higher standards. Here is a reference:

http://faculty.education.uiowa.edu/dlohman/pdf/Comparing%20Raven,%20NNAT,%20&%20CogAT%20.pdf

[Anonymous]

Yes, it could mean the administering teacher is incompetent.

[Anonymous]

My son scored 127 on NNAT last year. He will take Cogat this year and this summer we intend to prep him with some practice tests. I think if his Cogat score is good and with a good GBRS he stands a good chance to qualify for the pool.

[Anonymous]

Gbrs has nothing to do with the pool.. To make the pool, one subtest needs to be above the cutoff, typically 130-132. All the poll means is the child is automatically screened. Any child can be referred by the parent.