25th Amendment or Impeached and Removal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A number of Republican senators have already stated that any military action on a NATO ally is illegal and unauthorized. Officers in the military are also trained that they must refuse illegal orders - such as torture, murdering innocents, or anything that violates federal law or the Constitution.

If Trump and Hegseth issue an order to take Greenland, there will be a widespread mutiny among the military. None of these soldiers want to kill Danes, Germans, Norwegians, English and so on. There will be enormous resistance within the military, especially among senior officers who are well aware of what a strategic catastrophe an invasion of Greenland would become. It's the end of the US in NATO, the loss of all bases in Europe and other places like Diego Garcia. Not to mention the economic disaster for the US when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency, trade dies, and interest rates skyrocket.

I do believe enough of these spineless Republican senators will finally hit their limit and will vote for impeachment if Trump issues that order. It takes 67 to remove Trump from power. Very doable under these circumstances.

But we should never be in these circumstances to begin. We have a Mad King in the White House. This is a complete failure of our political system.

While the invasion of Greenland would be stupid and immoral, I don’t see a shot being fired. EU troops know it would be suicide. They’d stand down immediately and withdraw under protest. And I doubt the EU would crash the dollar also since that would be equally suicidal.

I think you underestimate Europeans knowledge of history and acquiescence. Why do you assume NATO won't defend Greenland against an unwanted and unwarranted threat?

First, Denmark’s ownership of Greenland benefits nobody in Europe except Denmark. I’m sure French troops would fight for French soil - I’m not sure they’ll fight for Denmark’s colony.

Second there’s no way a US-less NATO can offer meaningful military resistance. Greenland is ice and exposed rock. US air superiority and satellite intelligence would wipe out any European ground troops and their artillery (eg Iraq 1991) before we put a single soldier into combat. So again, EU troops would be on a suicide mission.

Again, I think invading would be stupid and immoral. But it’s hard to see it bogging down into a long shooting war.

[Anonymous]

He's sharing memes of taking Canada as well which is why they're not going to let him take Greenland. They know appeasement doesn't work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Soldiers must engage without awaiting orders if anyone were to invade Danish territory, including US troops attempting to seize Greenland, according to a 1952 military directive that Denmark's Defence Ministry has confirmed remains in force.

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Stunning. This is very bad. Do we suppose Congress is aware? Because really the time to act is now. Have seen a few Dems have called for the 25th but nothing from the GOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of Republican senators have already stated that any military action on a NATO ally is illegal and unauthorized. Officers in the military are also trained that they must refuse illegal orders - such as torture, murdering innocents, or anything that violates federal law or the Constitution.

If Trump and Hegseth issue an order to take Greenland, there will be a widespread mutiny among the military. None of these soldiers want to kill Danes, Germans, Norwegians, English and so on. There will be enormous resistance within the military, especially among senior officers who are well aware of what a strategic catastrophe an invasion of Greenland would become. It's the end of the US in NATO, the loss of all bases in Europe and other places like Diego Garcia. Not to mention the economic disaster for the US when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency, trade dies, and interest rates skyrocket.

I do believe enough of these spineless Republican senators will finally hit their limit and will vote for impeachment if Trump issues that order. It takes 67 to remove Trump from power. Very doable under these circumstances.

But we should never be in these circumstances to begin. We have a Mad King in the White House. This is a complete failure of our political system.

While the invasion of Greenland would be stupid and immoral, I don’t see a shot being fired. EU troops know it would be suicide. They’d stand down immediately and withdraw under protest. And I doubt the EU would crash the dollar also since that would be equally suicidal.

I think you underestimate Europeans knowledge of history and acquiescence. Why do you assume NATO won't defend Greenland against an unwanted and unwarranted threat?

First, Denmark’s ownership of Greenland benefits nobody in Europe except Denmark. I’m sure French troops would fight for French soil - I’m not sure they’ll fight for Denmark’s colony.

Second there’s no way a US-less NATO can offer meaningful military resistance. Greenland is ice and exposed rock. US air superiority and satellite intelligence would wipe out any European ground troops and their artillery (eg Iraq 1991) before we put a single soldier into combat. So again, EU troops would be on a suicide mission.

Again, I think invading would be stupid and immoral. But it’s hard to see it bogging down into a long shooting war.

Do you think Trump will stop with Greenland if he gets his way? Why do you think Europeans are fighting so hard for Ukraine? Because everyone knows Putin will not stop with Ukraine. Trump is no different.

[Anonymous]

What is the relationship like between Vance and Miller? Just curious if anyone knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A number of Republican senators have already stated that any military action on a NATO ally is illegal and unauthorized. Officers in the military are also trained that they must refuse illegal orders - such as torture, murdering innocents, or anything that violates federal law or the Constitution.

If Trump and Hegseth issue an order to take Greenland, there will be a widespread mutiny among the military. None of these soldiers want to kill Danes, Germans, Norwegians, English and so on. There will be enormous resistance within the military, especially among senior officers who are well aware of what a strategic catastrophe an invasion of Greenland would become. It's the end of the US in NATO, the loss of all bases in Europe and other places like Diego Garcia. Not to mention the economic disaster for the US when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency, trade dies, and interest rates skyrocket.

I do believe enough of these spineless Republican senators will finally hit their limit and will vote for impeachment if Trump issues that order. It takes 67 to remove Trump from power. Very doable under these circumstances.

But we should never be in these circumstances to begin. We have a Mad King in the White House. This is a complete failure of our political system.

While the invasion of Greenland would be stupid and immoral, I don’t see a shot being fired. EU troops know it would be suicide. They’d stand down immediately and withdraw under protest. And I doubt the EU would crash the dollar also since that would be equally suicidal.

I think you underestimate Europeans knowledge of history and acquiescence. Why do you assume NATO won't defend Greenland against an unwanted and unwarranted threat?

First, Denmark’s ownership of Greenland benefits nobody in Europe except Denmark. I’m sure French troops would fight for French soil - I’m not sure they’ll fight for Denmark’s colony.

Second there’s no way a US-less NATO can offer meaningful military resistance. Greenland is ice and exposed rock. US air superiority and satellite intelligence would wipe out any European ground troops and their artillery (eg Iraq 1991) before we put a single soldier into combat. So again, EU troops would be on a suicide mission.

Again, I think invading would be stupid and immoral. But it’s hard to see it bogging down into a long shooting war.

Lmao, oh boy, at least the Canadians know which states to attack and which ones will help them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He's sharing memes of taking Canada as well which is why they're not going to let him take Greenland. They know appeasement doesn't work.

Of course, it’s how rapists behave.

[Anonymous]

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If that letter weren’t shocking enough, he keeps doubling down on the madness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:25th amendment is not as easy as you think. You might want to read it, rather than accept the Hollywood version.

It's his own cabinet who needs to make the call. That's where all the weird sycophants are now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_cabinet_of_Donald_Trump

[Anonymous]

Is Rubio the only serious politician in state/dod?

And I know he sucks but there’s no way taking Greenland is in the playbook he signed on to…..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is Rubio the only serious politician in state/dod?

And I know he sucks but there’s no way taking Greenland is in the playbook he signed on to…..

The playbook keeps changing and he changes along with it. He once called Trump a dangerous con man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25th amendment is not as easy as you think. You might want to read it, rather than accept the Hollywood version.

It's his own cabinet who needs to make the call. That's where all the weird sycophants are now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_cabinet_of_Donald_Trump

Here's the text:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

[Anonymous]

Why keep bringing this topic up? The GOP is never going along with this. They had their opportunity with this and they punted

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25th amendment is not as easy as you think. You might want to read it, rather than accept the Hollywood version.

It's his own cabinet who needs to make the call. That's where all the weird sycophants are now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_cabinet_of_Donald_Trump

Apparently they just sit around talking to only each other, and no one is telling them they sound INSANE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do we get to this point

You don't. You won't.