Why do flagship universities accept community college transfers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money. They can get more students and it doesn’t affect their US News rankings.

Why don’t they just accept more freshmen if they want more students?

Because the student stats would be counted for the US News rankings. Suddenly, Michigan would not seem so hot.

Now you know why so many schools accept students for second semester entry...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting an A in a community college class is, at best, like getting a C in that same class at a flagship. Yet flagships are happy to accept community college students with B averages. What’s the point of working hard in high school if it’s this easy?

To learn? I think it’s a good thing to give people that can’t start at four year university a chance?

I agree that community college students should be allowed to transfer to a four-year university. What I don’t understand is why they’re eligible to transfer to the best public universities in the country.

In Virginia, UVA, W&M, and Tech required higher GPAs than other publics for guaranteed transfer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting an A in a community college class is, at best, like getting a C in that same class at a flagship. Yet flagships are happy to accept community college students with B averages. What’s the point of working hard in high school if it’s this easy?

I don't agree with you that it's impossible to be more than a C student at a community college.

However, states that want to succeed want an educated populace. More people educated in the state means more workers, more people starting businesses, more tax base.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point of state schools is to educate state residents. This includes students who weren't able to go straight to 4 year schools for whatever reason, including finances or family commitments. Why do you assume your student is better than them?

Most universities require their students maintain a minimum of a 2.0 gpa to stay at the university. Generally, you have to work twice as hard to get a certain grade at a flagship as you would to get that same grade in that same course at a community college. Thus, a 4.0 at a community college is like a 2.0 at a flagship.

Therefore, community college students should be required to maintain a 4.0 to transfer to a flagship. Yet flagships have no problem taking CC students with 3.0s, the equivalent of a 1.5 at a flagship.

What is your evidence for this? You just pulled these numbers out of your butt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting an A in a community college class is, at best, like getting a C in that same class at a flagship. Yet flagships are happy to accept community college students with B averages. What’s the point of working hard in high school if it’s this easy?

To learn? I think it’s a good thing to give people that can’t start at four year university a chance?

I agree that community college students should be allowed to transfer to a four-year university. What I don’t understand is why they’re eligible to transfer to the best public universities in the country.

Well, then, it may shock you to see who Harvard accepts to HLS...

Apparently, the educators know more than you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting an A in a community college class is, at best, like getting a C in that same class at a flagship. Yet flagships are happy to accept community college students with B averages. What’s the point of working hard in high school if it’s this easy?

To learn? I think it’s a good thing to give people that can’t start at four year university a chance?

I agree that community college students should be allowed to transfer to a four-year university. What I don’t understand is why they’re eligible to transfer to the best public universities in the country.

Ever heard of dropouts? All those hyper-managed children of helicopter parents don't all make it. Two years in, there are empty seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting an A in a community college class is, at best, like getting a C in that same class at a flagship. Yet flagships are happy to accept community college students with B averages. What’s the point of working hard in high school if it’s this easy?

Stick with trying to understand selective private universities. Flagships have admitted CC students for decades, for obvious state public policy reasons. And it has been a success for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting an A in a community college class is, at best, like getting a C in that same class at a flagship. Yet flagships are happy to accept community college students with B averages. What’s the point of working hard in high school if it’s this easy?

To learn? I think it’s a good thing to give people that can’t start at four year university a chance?

I agree that community college students should be allowed to transfer to a four-year university. What I don’t understand is why they’re eligible to transfer to the best public universities in the country.

Because the "best" should not only be for those who are some combination of academically perfect, rich, lucky.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting an A in a community college class is, at best, like getting a C in that same class at a flagship. Yet flagships are happy to accept community college students with B averages. What’s the point of working hard in high school if it’s this easy?

Congratulations! It looks like you figured out the best path for your own kid! I hope they enjoy community college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting an A in a community college class is, at best, like getting a C in that same class at a flagship. Yet flagships are happy to accept community college students with B averages. What’s the point of working hard in high school if it’s this easy?

Cite that a community college A is the equivalent of a flagship C?

Seriously, post your cite.

[Anonymous]

Wow, OP is getting owned

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point of state schools is to educate state residents. This includes students who weren't able to go straight to 4 year schools for whatever reason, including finances or family commitments. Why do you assume your student is better than them?

Most universities require their students maintain a minimum of a 2.0 gpa to stay at the university. Generally, you have to work twice as hard to get a certain grade at a flagship as you would to get that same grade in that same course at a community college. Thus, a 4.0 at a community college is like a 2.0 at a flagship.

Therefore, community college students should be required to maintain a 4.0 to transfer to a flagship. Yet flagships have no problem taking CC students with 3.0s, the equivalent of a 1.5 at a flagship.

Wow ... I don't understand what you've experienced that you're saying this kind of BS.

Watch some of the UC promo videos. They will inspire you. It's amazing and admirable that state flagships welcome all students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point of state schools is to educate state residents. This includes students who weren't able to go straight to 4 year schools for whatever reason, including finances or family commitments. Why do you assume your student is better than them?

Most universities require their students maintain a minimum of a 2.0 gpa to stay at the university. Generally, you have to work twice as hard to get a certain grade at a flagship as you would to get that same grade in that same course at a community college. Thus, a 4.0 at a community college is like a 2.0 at a flagship.

Therefore, community college students should be required to maintain a 4.0 to transfer to a flagship. Yet flagships have no problem taking CC students with 3.0s, the equivalent of a 1.5 at a flagship.

What drugs are you on? Can you share?

[Anonymous]

Many community college classes are actually more rigorous than many university classes (same subject). Students are taught by actual professors rather than grad students. Class sizes are often smaller.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money. They can get more students and it doesn’t affect their US News rankings.

Why don’t they just accept more freshmen if they want more students?

Because the student stats would be counted for the US News rankings. Suddenly, Michigan would not seem so hot.

Now you know why so many schools accept students for second semester entry...

Michigan doesn't really care about SATs for ranking purposes. They value their transfer kids. Same as Cornell. It's part of having a long-standing commitment to kids from particular areas of their home state and people who aren't rich. Also, in the case of Michigan, letting students move from the two branch campuses to Ann Arbor (UMBC-equivalents). These policies go back decades.

I was a Michigan MBA with a BBA mentee 30+ years ago. I came from OOS and she was a community college transfer from Washtenaw Community College (that's in Ann Arbor). I didn't even know they did that. I kept my mind open. She went on to have a great career despite being a shy person when we first met up. Worked in a tropical location for a multinational, did several other typical high-paid BBA jobs, etc.

I live in Michigan now (lived other places, including MoCo for 8 years). I think it's pretty hard for DMV people to understand the local scene in Michigan. Nobody here is grinding the rankings trying to move a few spots. Maybe OOSers think that's what's going on because you see high stats kids around you getting in. But that's a tiny slice of the 50% OOS microcosm. Michigan is trying to be consistent with the state government and Governor's support for community college access. Also for low-income in-state student access.