About Summer HS classes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

DP. In general, virtual school is less effective than in-person school. And virtual summer school requires kids to do a lot more self-study. I can understand why they would have non-health/tech be in person — particularly because that tends to be kids who did badly in the course already. I just hope they choose schools that are in the center of each region and offer transportation. (I know the latter is unlikely.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

DP. In general, virtual school is less effective than in-person school. And virtual summer school requires kids to do a lot more self-study. I can understand why they would have non-health/tech be in person — particularly because that tends to be kids who did badly in the course already. I just hope they choose schools that are in the center of each region and offer transportation. (I know the latter is unlikely.)

But virtual isn’t ineffective for all students, particularly high school age students and particularly motivated students taking courses for original credit. What IS ineffective is condensing a semester into two weeks, which is even shorter than past years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

DP. In general, virtual school is less effective than in-person school. And virtual summer school requires kids to do a lot more self-study. I can understand why they would have non-health/tech be in person — particularly because that tends to be kids who did badly in the course already. I just hope they choose schools that are in the center of each region and offer transportation. (I know the latter is unlikely.)

But virtual isn’t ineffective for all students, particularly high school age students and particularly motivated students taking courses for original credit. What IS ineffective is condensing a semester into two weeks, which is even shorter than past years.

I agree that they should extend it over longer periods, but they went in the opposite direction - going from almost 3 weeks to 2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

I think it’s more that the most likely to fail kids preferred virtual bc they weren’t going to show up or do the work anyway.

+1

And by limiting the ones that will be offered virtually, they're hoping that forcing those kids in-person will yield better results. Which they're not wrong about. It's easier to fail virtually than in-person. Doing virtual learning requires motivation, discipline and responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

DP. In general, virtual school is less effective than in-person school. And virtual summer school requires kids to do a lot more self-study. I can understand why they would have non-health/tech be in person — particularly because that tends to be kids who did badly in the course already. I just hope they choose schools that are in the center of each region and offer transportation. (I know the latter is unlikely.)

But virtual isn’t ineffective for all students, particularly high school age students and particularly motivated students taking courses for original credit. What IS ineffective is condensing a semester into two weeks, which is even shorter than past years.

This, its parents who don't like virtual as they either need to be involved or have independent kids.

Virtual can be equally, if not more effective if done properly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

I think it’s more that the most likely to fail kids preferred virtual bc they weren’t going to show up or do the work anyway.

+1

And by limiting the ones that will be offered virtually, they're hoping that forcing those kids in-person will yield better results. Which they're not wrong about. It's easier to fail virtually than in-person. Doing virtual learning requires motivation, discipline and responsibility.

Virtual or in person, you need motivated kids with parent support. Virtual can work well with the right teacher and curriculum (same as in person) and parental expectations.

Its not going to get better results as they aren't making the necessary changes and providing the necessary supports. And you cannot say its cheaper if they need to pay for the space and buses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

DP. In general, virtual school is less effective than in-person school. And virtual summer school requires kids to do a lot more self-study. I can understand why they would have non-health/tech be in person — particularly because that tends to be kids who did badly in the course already. I just hope they choose schools that are in the center of each region and offer transportation. (I know the latter is unlikely.)

But virtual isn’t ineffective for all students, particularly high school age students and particularly motivated students taking courses for original credit. What IS ineffective is condensing a semester into two weeks, which is even shorter than past years.

I agree that they should extend it over longer periods, but they went in the opposite direction - going from almost 3 weeks to 2.

Health ed has 3-5 assignments a day, some big ones. Doing it over two weeks is crazy, same with math, english and other subjects.

[Anonymous]

Here is the Board presentation from today. https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DPTUAZ7B2FE7/$file/IGNITE—Summer%20School%202026%20260108%20PPT.pdf

If anyone watched it, did they mention which HS will offer in-person school?

[Anonymous]

My kid did health A (semester 1) virtually over a summer when it was free. She completed health B virtually (semester 2) in the spring semester.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/onlinelearning/courses/health/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

DP. In general, virtual school is less effective than in-person school. And virtual summer school requires kids to do a lot more self-study. I can understand why they would have non-health/tech be in person — particularly because that tends to be kids who did badly in the course already. I just hope they choose schools that are in the center of each region and offer transportation. (I know the latter is unlikely.)

But virtual isn’t ineffective for all students, particularly high school age students and particularly motivated students taking courses for original credit. What IS ineffective is condensing a semester into two weeks, which is even shorter than past years.

This, its parents who don't like virtual as they either need to be involved or have independent kids.

Virtual can be equally, if not more effective if done properly.

Doing something equally terrible is not the goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

DP. In general, virtual school is less effective than in-person school. And virtual summer school requires kids to do a lot more self-study. I can understand why they would have non-health/tech be in person — particularly because that tends to be kids who did badly in the course already. I just hope they choose schools that are in the center of each region and offer transportation. (I know the latter is unlikely.)

But virtual isn’t ineffective for all students, particularly high school age students and particularly motivated students taking courses for original credit. What IS ineffective is condensing a semester into two weeks, which is even shorter than past years.

I agree that they should extend it over longer periods, but they went in the opposite direction - going from almost 3 weeks to 2.

Health ed has 3-5 assignments a day, some big ones. Doing it over two weeks is crazy, same with math, english and other subjects.

Since my kid is hoping to take health this summer ... do you mean that for every day that health meets, there are 3-5 assignments, so 6-10 over the course of the week for virtual? I'm presuming that if you take the course in person, much of that is done in class given that you are getting many more hours in front of a teacher, so the amount of homework would be substantially less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Data in today's BOE hints at why they shifted away from virtual summer school: A lot of kids flunked.

37% of virtual summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"
31% of in-person summer school students got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure"

In absolute numbers, that 5,787 virtual summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure" versus 362 in-person summer school students who got a D or "No Grade Due to Failure."

I mean, you could look at the numbers a different way. Students signed up for over 15,000 summer courses virtually and just over 1,100 courses in person. So virtual was much much more preferable for families for a variety of reasons. Color me skeptical that the students who’ve already failed a course are going to have an easy time being convinced to attend full school day long courses in person with limited central stop transportation at a high school that probably isn’t their home school.

DP. In general, virtual school is less effective than in-person school. And virtual summer school requires kids to do a lot more self-study. I can understand why they would have non-health/tech be in person — particularly because that tends to be kids who did badly in the course already. I just hope they choose schools that are in the center of each region and offer transportation. (I know the latter is unlikely.)

But virtual isn’t ineffective for all students, particularly high school age students and particularly motivated students taking courses for original credit. What IS ineffective is condensing a semester into two weeks, which is even shorter than past years.

I agree that they should extend it over longer periods, but they went in the opposite direction - going from almost 3 weeks to 2.

Health ed has 3-5 assignments a day, some big ones. Doing it over two weeks is crazy, same with math, english and other subjects.

Since my kid is hoping to take health this summer ... do you mean that for every day that health meets, there are 3-5 assignments, so 6-10 over the course of the week for virtual? I'm presuming that if you take the course in person, much of that is done in class given that you are getting many more hours in front of a teacher, so the amount of homework would be substantially less.

Online summer - I forget but they met 2-3 times a week but they had 3-5 assignments a day, some very big a day. There is very little actual class time. Mostly busy work. They are doing the same class that would be a semester in weeks so its the same work load. It was a lot of work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the Board presentation from today. https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DPTUAZ7B2FE7/$file/IGNITE—Summer%20School%202026%20260108%20PPT.pdf

If anyone watched it, did they mention which HS will offer in-person school?

They did not announce which schools will host the in person classes for each region. They did say that in addition to the 6 sites not yet selected, high schools can also run a local summer program of courses for their own students.

[Anonymous]

I predict that the in person summer school attendance rate will be lower than the school year. One class for too long plus the summer distractions. If attendance doesn’t affect passing then I would show up either. I’d show up for the first day or two and then only come for assessments. MCPS teachers are lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I predict that the in person summer school attendance rate will be lower than the school year. One class for too long plus the summer distractions. If attendance doesn’t affect passing then I would show up either. I’d show up for the first day or two and then only come for assessments. MCPS teachers are lazy.

You said that students won't attend because class is too long and summer distractions. Please explain how that relates to your comment that teachers are lazy.


I hope more students start passing classes on first attempt in order to avoid summer school.