i don't know why someone keeps posting crap rankings like this here. Have to somehow feel relevant, but not helpful It's USNWR as the gold standard. |
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. My niece just tagged her 4th med school admit for next year, all top 50 including NYU and expects several more before she is finished. ZERO research but great grades, scores, and clinicals. As to your research numbers above, they are just made up. |
DP. Your anecdote is just that, an anecdote. My niece being stupid doesn't mean everyone is stupid. Your fourth grade logic has no place. The post you answered to has some pretty reasonable numbers on research in the US. |
It doesn’t, not remotely close. If you have proof I’d love to see it. |
The proof of the claim "Undergraduate research is done by upwards of 75% of STEM students and about 50% of non-stem students at top-15 level schools" can be easily found from any t15 school's website. For example, 70% of JHU's engineering undergraduates take part in research, according to https://engineering.jhu.edu/research/undergraduate-research-opportunities. As another example, 50% of Duke's undergraduates — not necessarily STEM — do research at some point, according to https://researchblog.duke.edu/2014/12/08/how-to-get-your-foot-in-the-door-at-a-research-lab. |
I think this is hilarious - if you think that the USNWR rankings are the gold standard then there is no gold standard. It is just some stuff that a journalist made up. 20% is a popularity contest of asking college administrators who they think is good. I work at a college and have sat in on meetings where we discussed what we needed to do to do well in rankings. It was all minor stuff that has zero impact on students life. Apparently one thing that really helps is advertising your school to other administrators so they have something to say about you if things asked to rank you, so administrators often get random swag and literature sent to them. Anyway, they do serve to allow you to impress others who thing the rankings are meaningful, but they won’t be an indicator of your kids experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._News_%26_World_Report_Best_Colleges_Ranking |
| You are an idiot to even believe in a ranking system for choosing a college. |
DP. Everyone we know into Stanford and other top med so far has research. And top grades and scores. The ivy tells the students research is key. My T10 pushed research years ago; allof us who went to T25 med school had it, 25 years ago |
So the top US schools are… MIT Harvard Stanford CalT Chicago UPenn Cornell UCB Yale Hopkins Princeton…. Nothing remotely new or surprising about that list of US schools. |
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Princeton must be exceptional as it's in there twice!
That aside, this is mostly a research ranking and most of the faculty in Tsingua/Peking/Fudan are US trained and are really kick-ass. But academia being what it is, they did not get offers in the US. The world is a big place and great research is everywhere. But for all practical purposes the rankings don't mean much. The top 50-100 universities/LACs in the US have excellent faculty and mostly good peer groups. Go find something that works within your budget and your preferences and you'll be fine. Maybe you won't get recruited by Jane Street but who cares! |
Interesting….so clearly none of you would send your kids to Notre Dame 294 or Georgetown 285? Send them to Arizona State at 174
Don’t let UVA mom know they are #275 or Emory mom know they are 182 St Andrews is 113…. |
Note: OP made a typo when copying the list. Number 27 worldwide is McGill (not Princeton, which is already listed at #25). |
For global prestige, both McGill #27 and U of Toronto #29 in Canada are much higher than the colleges being fixated about on this board too much (Brown, Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, UVA, Georgetown, NYU etc.). |
Precisely why there is so much interest and hate on DCUM. Much higher global ranking than many “elite” US schools at a fraction of the cost. |
| Maybe OP and their ilk will apply to universities outside the US and free up more space for US kids who value our schools. Win-win. |