Covid and visiting elderly people

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

Well for many of us it would be the following:
24 hours fever free
Symptoms greatly improving (mostly gone)
Negative Covid test
and at least 5-7 days after testing positive

Highly doubt many elderly people want to get covid so that means they don't want to be around someone who is still contagious, so fever free, symptoms largely gone and a negative covid test would be the best way to

[Anonymous]

So many people out and about coughing on everyone maskless. Tried of the selfishness of it at.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

These aren’t people who have family to visit them. The events are things we planned that won’t happen without us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

These aren’t people who have family to visit them. The events are things we planned that won’t happen without us.

OP, I can't believe you are still saying this after all these posts telling you to STAY AWAY.

Please, for the love of god, no one in your household should go around these old people for several weeks. Call and send cards and say you are sick and so disappointed you cannot see them.

Seriously. Your presence is NOT worth getting a lot of old people sick! Get over yourselves!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to start by saying that I know anxiety is playing a role in this. Our family has had a string of losses, starting during covid, and I worry about germs more than most. So, don't post telling me I might have anxiety. I DEFINITELY have anxiety, and I'm getting help, but that help is not working at a pace that it will help me make this decision.

We have covid. We're a family of 4, me and 3 kids. I got sick on Tuesday, and tested positive. Kid one got sick Thursday, Kid two got sick Friday. Kid three, who never gets sick, has predictably not gotten sick. In the past he has tested positive for covid but has never had symptoms, but this time he is neither testing positive or symptomatic.

Kids two and three do regular service with the elderly, at two different places. They both have things that are special they planned for the holiday with "their" elderly friends. They are sad at the thought of missing these things.

When will it be safe for them to go back? I know the guidance for school is 24 hours after the fever is gone, and symptoms are improving, but elderly are more vulnerable.

It's not anxiety. COVID can still harm. I would not do it until 5 days and/or negative test. The 24 hour thing for school is not really grounded in science---you are still contagious.

[Anonymous]

I am pleasantly surprised by the responses on this thread. Great to see people still care about people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

These aren’t people who have family to visit them. The events are things we planned that won’t happen without us.

Either way you have to cancel:

If this is a volunteer activity arranged by a group, then others in the group will do the visit and it will be fine for your kids to miss it due to contagious illness.

If this is an activity completely arranged and coordinated by you with no one else involved, you have total control over when it happens and can punt it to after the holidays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

These aren’t people who have family to visit them. The events are things we planned that won’t happen without us.

Either way you have to cancel:

If this is a volunteer activity arranged by a group, then others in the group will do the visit and it will be fine for your kids to miss it due to contagious illness.

If this is an activity completely arranged and coordinated by you with no one else involved, you have total control over when it happens and can punt it to after the holidays.

This is a strange take. Some of these people are going to die before it would get rescheduled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

These aren’t people who have family to visit them. The events are things we planned that won’t happen without us.

Either way you have to cancel:

If this is a volunteer activity arranged by a group, then others in the group will do the visit and it will be fine for your kids to miss it due to contagious illness.

If this is an activity completely arranged and coordinated by you with no one else involved, you have total control over when it happens and can punt it to after the holidays.

The situation is the latter (arranged and coordinated by us), but in one situation we don't have complete control, because part of what the residents have asked for is to be taken to church on Christmas Eve. We don't have control over the date of Christmas Eve services.

We are leaning towards keeping that comitment. The people who would be there are me and Kid 3. Kid 3 is still testing negative. Obviously we would keep testing him, but it seems like he is not going to get it. At that point, I'll be 2 full weeks past diagnosis, and 10 days from testing negative again. At that point, I think the risk from other people at church will be much greater than the risk from us.

The other event is holiday related, but it's not tied to a specific date, so we're leaning towards doing it on January 4th, which would be 16 days after testing negative for that kid and longer for me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

These aren’t people who have family to visit them. The events are things we planned that won’t happen without us.

Either way you have to cancel:

If this is a volunteer activity arranged by a group, then others in the group will do the visit and it will be fine for your kids to miss it due to contagious illness.

If this is an activity completely arranged and coordinated by you with no one else involved, you have total control over when it happens and can punt it to after the holidays.

The situation is the latter (arranged and coordinated by us), but in one situation we don't have complete control, because part of what the residents have asked for is to be taken to church on Christmas Eve. We don't have control over the date of Christmas Eve services.

We are leaning towards keeping that comitment. The people who would be there are me and Kid 3. Kid 3 is still testing negative. Obviously we would keep testing him, but it seems like he is not going to get it. At that point, I'll be 2 full weeks past diagnosis, and 10 days from testing negative again. At that point, I think the risk from other people at church will be much greater than the risk from us.

The other event is holiday related, but it's not tied to a specific date, so we're leaning towards doing it on January 4th, which would be 16 days after testing negative for that kid and longer for me.

That's all very rational, but some people aren't rational when it comes to covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

These aren’t people who have family to visit them. The events are things we planned that won’t happen without us.

Either way you have to cancel:

If this is a volunteer activity arranged by a group, then others in the group will do the visit and it will be fine for your kids to miss it due to contagious illness.

If this is an activity completely arranged and coordinated by you with no one else involved, you have total control over when it happens and can punt it to after the holidays.

This is a strange take. Some of these people are going to die before it would get rescheduled.

Some of these people COULD die before Xmas eve and won't be able to attend the event. You COULD die tomorrow and not attend the event. CALL the facility and see how they want to handle it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So tired of selfish people. How do you think it’s ok to expose anyone? You wait till everyone tests negative and to be on the safe side wait another week. I have a serious chronic illness. Your little Covid can have me hospitalized for weeks.

I asked how long to wait. Why couldn't you answer "a week after the last person tests negative". That would be an answer to my question. You don't have any idea of what kind of timelines I was considering so yelling at me that I am selfish is ridiculous.

I'm asking because quality of life matters, and my kids do things that contribute to the quality of life of the residents they help. People look forward to their visits. So, obviously, I want to be cautious, but equally obviously I am aware safety is a high priority, so I am looking to find out what's the right time.

Sure quality of life matters, but 99.999% of the elderly would prefer to still be alive versus having a holiday hour celebration with a volunteer and getting sick.

I love how you quote that like it's a fact you picked up in a research study. In reality a research study would have to be unrealistically huge to report that many significant digits.

Many elderly people choose to take risks every day to see people who are important to them, or to do things that are important to them. I'm asking at what point does the risk become low, because it will never be zero, but a zero exposure risk life would not be worth living to many people. Is that 10 days after getting the virus, plus a negative test? 2 weeks?

These aren't their grandkids. I'm sure they like the volunteer kids just fine, but not enough to die or be hospitalized. The events will go on with others and the elderly will enjoy them. Maybe OP can take the kids to visit there after the holidays.

These aren’t people who have family to visit them. The events are things we planned that won’t happen without us.

Either way you have to cancel:

If this is a volunteer activity arranged by a group, then others in the group will do the visit and it will be fine for your kids to miss it due to contagious illness.

If this is an activity completely arranged and coordinated by you with no one else involved, you have total control over when it happens and can punt it to after the holidays.

The situation is the latter (arranged and coordinated by us), but in one situation we don't have complete control, because part of what the residents have asked for is to be taken to church on Christmas Eve. We don't have control over the date of Christmas Eve services.

We are leaning towards keeping that comitment. The people who would be there are me and Kid 3. Kid 3 is still testing negative. Obviously we would keep testing him, but it seems like he is not going to get it. At that point, I'll be 2 full weeks past diagnosis, and 10 days from testing negative again. At that point, I think the risk from other people at church will be much greater than the risk from us.

The other event is holiday related, but it's not tied to a specific date, so we're leaning towards doing it on January 4th, which would be 16 days after testing negative for that kid and longer for me.

Pp and that sounds pretty reasonable, especially if you wear masks while driving.

[Anonymous]

OP - you are presenting yourself and your kids' activities as selfless. But really, admit it to yourself, that it is selfish to consider this after COVID just ran through your entire household.
The kids are 2 and 3 and WILL FORGET this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - you are presenting yourself and your kids' activities as selfless. But really, admit it to yourself, that it is selfish to consider this after COVID just ran through your entire household.
The kids are 2 and 3 and WILL FORGET this.

My kids are between 15 and 18. I numbered them so that I could refer to them.

I am not presenting us as selfless. My kids enjoy the long term relationships they have, just like the people they visit and help enjoy them.