Will top schools except for top SLACs become extremely overweighted toward women because of Trumps DEI rampage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought SLACs have a gender issue. For instance Vassar is 35% male and 65% female. I know many boys who dont want to apply to LACs because they are looking at STEM or business majors.

Top colleges had the gender issue of being almost exclusively male for generations and the world continued to spin. Vassar is fine.

[Anonymous]

Yes it happened at HBCU, women are 70% of HBCU, and all colleges to think of it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought SLACs have a gender issue. For instance Vassar is 35% male and 65% female. I know many boys who don't want to apply to LACs because they are looking at STEM or business majors.

Vassar is an exception among the top SLACs, likely because it started out as an all women's college. The top 10 private universities and the top 10 SLACs are all much closer to gender balance than the top public schools which pretty much ruins your hypothesis.

[Anonymous]

To get back to the original question, time will tell but I doubt we will see this. Schools won't make changes knowing the Administration isnt going to make this a thing. And the Administration is clearly uncovered by any of their own hypocrisy. This will be no different.

[Anonymous]

No way is my daughter attending school in those backwater. Scarlet letter, handmaids tale southern states. Not a chance.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are twice as many women applying to Brown compared to men? Maybe Brown should work on attracting more male applicants so it has a better shot at gender balancing.

Because most smart men are interested in engineering and finance these days, and Brown isn't particularly strong in either.

And one of the big reasons smart men are interested in engineering and finance today is because they want to be able to provide for their eventual families. Not every boy can study art history at Brown or Swarthmore and feel confident they can make a go at life. Soft majors for soft boys at soft schools.

Brown’s Division of Applied Mathematics is one of the top programs in the world.
It is consistently ranked Top 5–10 globally for applied math. Brown pioneered modern applied mathematics, especially PDEs, dynamical systems, and stochastic processes.

Faculty include some of the most cited researchers in the field. The culture of interdisciplinary math is connected to: Computer science (algorithms, machine learning), Engineering, Physics (fluids, statistical mechanics), Biology and medicine (biomath, systems biology)

It’s very rigorous but flexible and has Strong pipeline into top PhD programs. There are plenty of opportunities to do research early with small group faculty seminars.

They also have PLME with direct entry into their Med school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top colleges could give more weight to academic scores on tests such as the math SAT, AP Calc BC, Chem, Physics, Comp Sci, etc. Those are the competencies that best predict big lifetime impacts in entrepreneurship, hard sciences, engineering, income, etc. If the colleges did that, and ignored how kids did in 10th grade English or how many volunteering orgs they started, they’d have more males than females in their classes. It’s all a matter of priorities.

As a mom of DD who got an 800math and straight 5s on those APs as well as many more stem APs, took precal in 9th grade because the school's math department head moved her up in 5th grade, I would be fine with this. There would remain plenty of women in engineering and stem at the schools where stem women want to go: ivies/Stanford etc where classes are small, arts are all over campus and students take classes in all areas with kids from other majors.
Her ivy has an applicant pool which is already over 60% women for chem majors, BioEngineering, Environmental engineering and other stem fields. That is the applicant pool. Those majors have the same ratios for matriculated pool. Sure, weight the scores higher and let in more boys! Cut the girls who get 4s and cannot get at least 770. All women able to keep up in STEM would mean fewer males who look askance at the women as being some sort of DEI admit...until my D and others crush them on the exams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are twice as many women applying to Brown compared to men? Maybe Brown should work on attracting more male applicants so it has a better shot at gender balancing.

Because most smart men are interested in engineering and finance these days, and Brown isn't particularly strong in either.

And one of the big reasons smart men are interested in engineering and finance today is because they want to be able to provide for their eventual families. Not every boy can study art history at Brown or Swarthmore and feel confident they can make a go at life. Soft majors for soft boys at soft schools.

Brown’s Division of Applied Mathematics is one of the top programs in the world.
It is consistently ranked Top 5–10 globally for applied math. Brown pioneered modern applied mathematics, especially PDEs, dynamical systems, and stochastic processes.

Faculty include some of the most cited researchers in the field. The culture of interdisciplinary math is connected to: Computer science (algorithms, machine learning), Engineering, Physics (fluids, statistical mechanics), Biology and medicine (biomath, systems biology)



It’s very rigorous but flexible and has Strong pipeline into top PhD programs. There are plenty of opportunities to do research early with small group faculty seminars.

They also have PLME with direct entry into their Med school.

Unfortunately Brown struggles in its reputation as the "easy" ivy and weak in stem. It also ranks very poorly globally as a research university compared to the stem ivies and Stanford, Berkeley, Uwash, etc. Given that it has a medical school, it should rank higher for research but does not.
Research dollars matter for stem as well as global industry reputation. It is a shame, but true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To get back to the original question, time will tell but I doubt we will see this. Schools won't make changes knowing the Administration isnt going to make this a thing. And the Administration is clearly uncovered by any of their own hypocrisy. This will be no different.

Agree. Top schools will continue to balance gender and favor boys in admission, especially in humanities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top colleges could give more weight to academic scores on tests such as the math SAT, AP Calc BC, Chem, Physics, Comp Sci, etc. Those are the competencies that best predict big lifetime impacts in entrepreneurship, hard sciences, engineering, income, etc. If the colleges did that, and ignored how kids did in 10th grade English or how many volunteering orgs they started, they’d have more males than females in their classes. It’s all a matter of priorities.

As a mom of DD who got an 800math and straight 5s on those APs as well as many more stem APs, took precal in 9th grade because the school's math department head moved her up in 5th grade, I would be fine with this. There would remain plenty of women in engineering and stem at the schools where stem women want to go: ivies/Stanford etc where classes are small, arts are all over campus and students take classes in all areas with kids from other majors.
Her ivy has an applicant pool which is already over 60% women for chem majors, BioEngineering, Environmental engineering and other stem fields. That is the applicant pool. Those majors have the same ratios for matriculated pool. Sure, weight the scores higher and let in more boys! Cut the girls who get 4s and cannot get at least 770. All women able to keep up in STEM would mean fewer males who look askance at the women as being some sort of DEI admit...until my D and others crush them on the exams.

You're gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To get back to the original question, time will tell but I doubt we will see this. Schools won't make changes knowing the Administration isnt going to make this a thing. And the Administration is clearly uncovered by any of their own hypocrisy. This will be no different.

Maybe, but there will be groups just dying to get this into the court system.

[Anonymous]

My DD is worried about this. I think it's a real problem. She doesn't want to go to an all-women or nearly all-women college. And my DS doesn't want to go to an all-male college either.

Why can't colleges balance for gender since most students want this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD is worried about this. I think it's a real problem. She doesn't want to go to an all-women or nearly all-women college. And my DS doesn't want to go to an all-male college either.

Why can't colleges balance for gender since most students want this?

It’s hard when there are many fewer male applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD is worried about this. I think it's a real problem. She doesn't want to go to an all-women or nearly all-women college. And my DS doesn't want to go to an all-male college either.

Why can't colleges balance for gender since most students want this?

Most people want to go to a racially balanced school too.

Either it’s ok or it’s not.

[Anonymous]

No, there won’t be any noticeable impact. Colleges want a gender balance and will achieve that through “holistic” admission practices.