Intended college athletes at d3 schools… a ?

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Anonymous wrote:My now college freshman daughter was similarly situated. She applied non-Ed to about a dozen division 3 schools and then compared merit offers. She’s happy at the highest ranked D3 school she got into which was also the lowest cost after merit awards that she received.

So the D3 coaches weren’t pushing for her to ED? That’s what we are dealing with, with the implication that dc may lose the spot if we don’t ED

It depends on the D3…schools like JHU, Chicago, MIT (EA), Williams….top academic D3, you may lose your spot.

Basically, outside of like 20 top academic D3, then much more flexibility.

Op here. We are getting major push from the coaches, one in particular. ‘Decide now or we will move on’.

Yes, ED is part of the deal to get coach support through admissions. If they need xyz position and your child doesn't choose to attend, they'll be short a player there.

And they have others who will gladly fill your kid’s spot if you don’t want to play the game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it depends on the sport. For some niche sports there is no difference in level of competition between D3 and D1 (or D2 for that matter), since the meets are more based on geographic and the competitive level is rather similar.
Like yours, DC lives for their sport, but did not like ED since they want to compare all their offers. Was recruited in the summer before senior year by a tippy top academic (national university) D3 school in the east cost and easily passed the summer read. Rejected coach's offer to apply ED and instead applied RD. Received Likely Letter in mid-Feb and RD offer in March with some merit aid.

Op this is encouraging! But I must admit we are nervous to reject ED d3 spots now because they are being made with merit aid offers. We don’t know if that money will be there if we do RD. DC’s ‘merit’ is more tied to the sport than academics.

DC's merit isn't tied to sport. It cannot be in D3. Many coaches will give that impression to stroke your kids ego but the package will be the same either way. There could be merit only available to ED admits but then it is available to any ED admit, not just athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here. Omg some of you are such shrews! Seriously. My kid lives for their sport. I have had nothing to do with pushing it, none. Yes, I can say it’s not worth it bc I know they wont go pro. But it’s important to them and I think it’s healthy, positive, builds team work, grit, time management, etc.

It's SHREW CITY here lately. Comments dripping in condescension. Oy.

We're in the same boat and just signed the ED commitment on Common App today. DC went with the team they loved the most even though the merit wasn't as much as other offers. We'll basically be full pay for undergrad, so paying for grad school will be a major stretch. But who knows what will happen in 4 years!? We're just excited DC is excited, and gets to continue their D3 sport despite the fact they likely won't make a career out of it (however, I guess they could become a college coach or an athletics director or go into sports law or journalism...who the hell knows). Wish I had some truly helpful wisdom to share - all my best wishes and good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it depends on the sport. For some niche sports there is no difference in level of competition between D3 and D1 (or D2 for that matter), since the meets are more based on geographic and the competitive level is rather similar.
Like yours, DC lives for their sport, but did not like ED since they want to compare all their offers. Was recruited in the summer before senior year by a tippy top academic (national university) D3 school in the east cost and easily passed the summer read. Rejected coach's offer to apply ED and instead applied RD. Received Likely Letter in mid-Feb and RD offer in March with some merit aid.

Op this is encouraging! But I must admit we are nervous to reject ED d3 spots now because they are being made with merit aid offers. We don’t know if that money will be there if we do RD. DC’s ‘merit’ is more tied to the sport than academics.

This would be very rare if it happened at all. There is only one or two schools on the east coast where it would be remotely possible and neither of the schools would be likely to have slots still open in RD unless the recruit was truly special. Both are strong D3 programs and they have plenty of candidates to choose from.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it depends on the sport. For some niche sports there is no difference in level of competition between D3 and D1 (or D2 for that matter), since the meets are more based on geographic and the competitive level is rather similar.
Like yours, DC lives for their sport, but did not like ED since they want to compare all their offers. Was recruited in the summer before senior year by a tippy top academic (national university) D3 school in the east cost and easily passed the summer read. Rejected coach's offer to apply ED and instead applied RD. Received Likely Letter in mid-Feb and RD offer in March with some merit aid.

Op this is encouraging! But I must admit we are nervous to reject ED d3 spots now because they are being made with merit aid offers. We don’t know if that money will be there if we do RD. DC’s ‘merit’ is more tied to the sport than academics.

This would be very rare if it happened at all. There is only one or two schools on the east coast where it would be remotely possible and neither of the schools would be likely to have slots still open in RD unless the recruit was truly special. Both are strong D3 programs and they have plenty of candidates to choose from.

PP. Yes, it is not common and considered to be a gutsy move. Your DC must be very confident (or in our case willing to sacrifice the slot) in rejecting ED. There are only two top academic schools in the east coast that are D3 (hint: ranked 2nd and 7th this year). Both have strong athletic program, but placed academics well above sports. One has a weak coach's recommendation influence, the other a strong one. So your DC has leverage if possesses stellar academics on top of recruited level athleticism. The Likely Letter and RD offer came with about 1/3 tuition merit aid. DC received full merit aid at another T20 and decided to forgo varsity and join Team instead. Still travel to national competitions throughout the year, but glad that they can practice when they want to, not when they have to. The PP who mentioned rapid waning of bragging pride in joining the varsity team is quite correct. The only case when varsity makes financial sense are for Top 10 D1 Varsity football, basketball, baseball, tennis and golf.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all bragging rights. I see it in my kids, they’re friends, but most especially the parents!

They all are obsessed with saying their kid is going to play at xyz school (no matter the academic caliber, some you never heard of). They got caught up in the high school world and talk.

In a year or two nobody gives a sh@t. Seriously. They don’t.

Don’t go to some crap school or much lower academic school just so you can put “committed” on the HS Instagram page.

Nope. Stupid move.

My kid was totally caught up in that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all bragging rights. I see it in my kids, they’re friends, but most especially the parents!

They all are obsessed with saying their kid is going to play at xyz school (no matter the academic caliber, some you never heard of). They got caught up in the high school world and talk.

In a year or two nobody gives a sh@t. Seriously. They don’t.

Don’t go to some crap school or much lower academic school just so you can put “committed” on the HS Instagram page.

Nope. Stupid move.

My kid was totally caught up in that.

PP with DC who went to club instead. Totally understandable, we were too. Although the financials were clear to us, it was still very, very difficult emotionally to pull the trigger and reject the varsity offer. And frankly it was harder for the parents than for the kid. Kids are resilient, they move on ... but parents still rueful in abrupt stop of all the EXCITEMENT (and perversely, satisfying sacrifices) in bringing kids to practice, maxing out credit card for camps/lessons, cheering and supporting them to national level, travel to tournaments, the medals/trophies filling the living room, and most of all the BRAGGING rights with other parents.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it depends on the sport. For some niche sports there is no difference in level of competition between D3 and D1 (or D2 for that matter), since the meets are more based on geographic and the competitive level is rather similar.
Like yours, DC lives for their sport, but did not like ED since they want to compare all their offers. Was recruited in the summer before senior year by a tippy top academic (national university) D3 school in the east cost and easily passed the summer read. Rejected coach's offer to apply ED and instead applied RD. Received Likely Letter in mid-Feb and RD offer in March with some merit aid.

Op this is encouraging! But I must admit we are nervous to reject ED d3 spots now because they are being made with merit aid offers. We don’t know if that money will be there if we do RD. DC’s ‘merit’ is more tied to the sport than academics.

This would be very rare if it happened at all. There is only one or two schools on the east coast where it would be remotely possible and neither of the schools would be likely to have slots still open in RD unless the recruit was truly special. Both are strong D3 programs and they have plenty of candidates to choose from.

PP. Yes, it is not common and considered to be a gutsy move. Your DC must be very confident (or in our case willing to sacrifice the slot) in rejecting ED. There are only two top academic schools in the east coast that are D3 (hint: ranked 2nd and 7th this year). Both have strong athletic program, but placed academics well above sports. One has a weak coach's recommendation influence, the other a strong one. So your DC has leverage if possesses stellar academics on top of recruited level athleticism. The Likely Letter and RD offer came with about 1/3 tuition merit aid. DC received full merit aid at another T20 and decided to forgo varsity and join Team instead. Still travel to national competitions throughout the year, but glad that they can practice when they want to, not when they have to. The PP who mentioned rapid waning of bragging pride in joining the varsity team is quite correct. The only case when varsity makes financial sense are for Top 10 D1 Varsity football, basketball, baseball, tennis and golf.

There are a couple more schools than that depending on how you define top academic and how close to the coast. JHU will issue likely letters but not super common, you need to be one of their top recruits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, it depends on the sport. For some niche sports there is no difference in level of competition between D3 and D1 (or D2 for that matter), since the meets are more based on geographic and the competitive level is rather similar.
Like yours, DC lives for their sport, but did not like ED since they want to compare all their offers. Was recruited in the summer before senior year by a tippy top academic (national university) D3 school in the east cost and easily passed the summer read. Rejected coach's offer to apply ED and instead applied RD. Received Likely Letter in mid-Feb and RD offer in March with some merit aid.

Op this is encouraging! But I must admit we are nervous to reject ED d3 spots now because they are being made with merit aid offers. We don’t know if that money will be there if we do RD. DC’s ‘merit’ is more tied to the sport than academics.

This would be very rare if it happened at all. There is only one or two schools on the east coast where it would be remotely possible and neither of the schools would be likely to have slots still open in RD unless the recruit was truly special. Both are strong D3 programs and they have plenty of candidates to choose from.

PP. Yes, it is not common and considered to be a gutsy move. Your DC must be very confident (or in our case willing to sacrifice the slot) in rejecting ED. There are only two top academic schools in the east coast that are D3 (hint: ranked 2nd and 7th this year). Both have strong athletic program, but placed academics well above sports. One has a weak coach's recommendation influence, the other a strong one. So your DC has leverage if possesses stellar academics on top of recruited level athleticism. The Likely Letter and RD offer came with about 1/3 tuition merit aid. DC received full merit aid at another T20 and decided to forgo varsity and join Team instead. Still travel to national competitions throughout the year, but glad that they can practice when they want to, not when they have to. The PP who mentioned rapid waning of bragging pride in joining the varsity team is quite correct. The only case when varsity makes financial sense are for Top 10 D1 Varsity football, basketball, baseball, tennis and golf.

There are a couple more schools than that depending on how you define top academic and how close to the coast. JHU will issue likely letters but not super common, you need to be one of their top recruits.

Bingo!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone’s a college recruit at a D3…. Seriously.

Pick the school you want to attend. Injuries happen, bad coaches happen, preferences change.

Our barometer was “is this where you want to be if we take the sport out of the equation? Is this the best place for you?

My son had a lot of interest from some really poor academic D1s and some low level D3s. He chose the Ivy and club sport. It’s really played out in the internships and connections, etc. He’s also a kid that is really academically curious and takes advantage of that environment.

I agree. Going to a d3 school as a “recruit” is just an educational blow job. They don’t pay you and it impacts your actual education- which is what you’ll pay through the nose for.

I played a d3 sport and it was a bad decision.go where you want and play club vs hanging on to some notion of being a “ncaa athlete”:

When non players at d1 schools l are on a fee ride and making $40k a year to boot- sure! Paying to make it harder to succeed at academics, for a kid who will never play that sport again post college (if it’s a team sport) bs just going where you want and playing club? Insane and totally an ego driven thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone’s a college recruit at a D3…. Seriously.

Pick the school you want to attend. Injuries happen, bad coaches happen, preferences change.

Our barometer was “is this where you want to be if we take the sport out of the equation? Is this the best place for you?

My son had a lot of interest from some really poor academic D1s and some low level D3s. He chose the Ivy and club sport. It’s really played out in the internships and connections, etc. He’s also a kid that is really academically curious and takes advantage of that environment.

I agree. Going to a d3 school as a “recruit” is just an educational blow job. They don’t pay you and it impacts your actual education- which is what you’ll pay through the nose for.

I played a d3 sport and it was a bad decision.go where you want and play club vs hanging on to some notion of being a “ncaa athlete”:

When non players at d1 schools l are on a fee ride and making $40k a year to boot- sure! Paying to make it harder to succeed at academics, for a kid who will never play that sport again post college (if it’s a team sport) bs just going where you want and playing club? Insane and totally an ego driven thing.

Truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone’s a college recruit at a D3…. Seriously.

Pick the school you want to attend. Injuries happen, bad coaches happen, preferences change.

Our barometer was “is this where you want to be if we take the sport out of the equation? Is this the best place for you?

My son had a lot of interest from some really poor academic D1s and some low level D3s. He chose the Ivy and club sport. It’s really played out in the internships and connections, etc. He’s also a kid that is really academically curious and takes advantage of that environment.

I agree. Going to a d3 school as a “recruit” is just an educational blow job. They don’t pay you and it impacts your actual education- which is what you’ll pay through the nose for.

I played a d3 sport and it was a bad decision.go where you want and play club vs hanging on to some notion of being a “ncaa athlete”:

When non players at d1 schools l are on a fee ride and making $40k a year to boot- sure! Paying to make it harder to succeed at academics, for a kid who will never play that sport again post college (if it’s a team sport) bs just going where you want and playing club? Insane and totally an ego driven thing.

Karen, or in this case Karl is pretty slow. When someone can use athletic skill to almost “guarantee” admission to top schools it is the opposite of bad. When being a member of that team then provides a huge boost into top paying careers it is the opposite of bad. When successfully completing an athletic career (along with having the grades and scores) is such a strong advantage for med school that it is almost a hook it is the opposite of bad.

You didn’t have what it takes and it didn’t work for you but for those that do…..huge benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone’s a college recruit at a D3…. Seriously.

Pick the school you want to attend. Injuries happen, bad coaches happen, preferences change.

Our barometer was “is this where you want to be if we take the sport out of the equation? Is this the best place for you?

My son had a lot of interest from some really poor academic D1s and some low level D3s. He chose the Ivy and club sport. It’s really played out in the internships and connections, etc. He’s also a kid that is really academically curious and takes advantage of that environment.

I agree. Going to a d3 school as a “recruit” is just an educational blow job. They don’t pay you and it impacts your actual education- which is what you’ll pay through the nose for.

I played a d3 sport and it was a bad decision.go where you want and play club vs hanging on to some notion of being a “ncaa athlete”:

When non players at d1 schools l are on a fee ride and making $40k a year to boot- sure! Paying to make it harder to succeed at academics, for a kid who will never play that sport again post college (if it’s a team sport) bs just going where you want and playing club? Insane and totally an ego driven thing.

Karen, or in this case Karl is pretty slow. When someone can use athletic skill to almost “guarantee” admission to top schools it is the opposite of bad. When being a member of that team then provides a huge boost into top paying careers it is the opposite of bad. When successfully completing an athletic career (along with having the grades and scores) is such a strong advantage for med school that it is almost a hook it is the opposite of bad.

You didn’t have what it takes and it didn’t work for you but for those that do…..huge benefits.

An Ivy degree and captain of a club sport goes a lot farther….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone’s a college recruit at a D3…. Seriously.

Pick the school you want to attend. Injuries happen, bad coaches happen, preferences change.

Our barometer was “is this where you want to be if we take the sport out of the equation? Is this the best place for you?

My son had a lot of interest from some really poor academic D1s and some low level D3s. He chose the Ivy and club sport. It’s really played out in the internships and connections, etc. He’s also a kid that is really academically curious and takes advantage of that environment.

I agree. Going to a d3 school as a “recruit” is just an educational blow job. They don’t pay you and it impacts your actual education- which is what you’ll pay through the nose for.

I played a d3 sport and it was a bad decision.go where you want and play club vs hanging on to some notion of being a “ncaa athlete”:

When non players at d1 schools l are on a fee ride and making $40k a year to boot- sure! Paying to make it harder to succeed at academics, for a kid who will never play that sport again post college (if it’s a team sport) bs just going where you want and playing club? Insane and totally an ego driven thing.

Karen, or in this case Karl is pretty slow. When someone can use athletic skill to almost “guarantee” admission to top schools it is the opposite of bad. When being a member of that team then provides a huge boost into top paying careers it is the opposite of bad. When successfully completing an athletic career (along with having the grades and scores) is such a strong advantage for med school that it is almost a hook it is the opposite of bad.

You didn’t have what it takes and it didn’t work for you but for those that do…..huge benefits.

Smart, well-rounded kids don’t need to use “guaranteed admission” or legacy for that matter.

[Anonymous]

You mean “further”…