Starting a New club

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A) i) the top players and teams are not playing each other; ii) parents are uneducated on development so coaches have alot of pressure on wins even if they believe in development; iii) 2% of club focus on the technical fundamentals and off-ball movement needed to progressive to higher levels. The lack of technical ability at MLS Next and ECNL is a little shocking IMHO.

B) i) The market determines the price; ii) coaches should be paid their worth; iii) EDP Futures @ Soccerplex does it the best with all teams at one location every week and no posted scored. Yes, parents gossip and know the scores but so what. If you mention an unposted score to me at a cocktail party, I literally might backslap you. These shallow parents should not be the norm like they are here.

C) Yes - Mirror Achilles approach to early develop less the cursing and antics which keeps them boutique.

D) Yes. This is where education is involved. Parents will have to understand the results don't matter before U15 but that is where you will struggle. I am not sure it can work in the DMV as the parental base is simply wealthy parents who are driven by ego. Lookup the DCU string. It has gone silent since someone called them out on this. People here use soccer to get into Princeton vs the love of the game. Most don't understand D1 is like 4th-6th division in most European countries and not really "successful" in real football terms.

I hope you're different. I hope it works out!

Since we are all in America where a kid making D1 soccer is a marker of success, how can someone say its not a successful achievement because of whats happening in another country?

Real here is real here.

No, you have taken the application of other sports like baseball and basketball and equated them to soccer. We created football and basketball so we own the development process. We are seeing the flaws in our processes over the last 20 years with amateurism in basketball as the world has taken interest in the sport since the Dream Team. We have the same head start in women's soccer and the next 20-40 years will be interesting on whether our processes are truly better.

We don't own soccer and made D1 a pathway when it is an international off-ramp to an education and a better life for international academy washouts (men's side).

You can either accept this reality or keep complaining about internationals taking your spots because it is obvious our kids are not good enough. USL Championship teams will destroy D1 teams. USL is ranked around the 75th league in the world which is equivalent to around 4th - 6th divisions in Europe. Congrats, you get to play and learn extreme time management while you learn how to be an investment banker. Congrats, your grades would have gotten you into GW but you get to go to Columbia now because of soccer. Those are both great upgrades in life. Especially for the upwardly mobile with no real aspirations of playing pro. Naturally, there are some kids who can ball and will make the MLS and Europe through the extra development in college just like there are players in lower divisions in Europe that make it to the primetime. However, the faster US sets its standards of soccer higher than D1, the faster you will see us have international success.

We're either speaking of America achievement as a measurement OR International achievement

As the PP stated, D1 is a successful achievement for an American youth soccer player, in America.
They didn't say it was the top achievement.

Your argument is not based on what they said but rather based on what you want to argue.

I guess it really depends on investment. If a violist went to a specialized school with other violinists for four years and spent 4-5 hours daily at minimum playing the violin and could not break into the major pathways to play in a major professional international orchestra by the end of high school, I think we would consider that not a major achievement if that violinist just played for fun in college and prepared to be an investment banker. If you are student athlete who simply came up through rec and school teams, D1 soccer is an achievement. If you are a MLS academy player with $100k+ invested through club fees, tournament trips, private training, group training, etc before you entered the MLS academy, I respectfully disagree D1 is an achievement. You invested alot to manufacture that player and I would question my investment and those I invested with to end with that result. No emotion here, just a different perspective you may have not considered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another small club is not needed. The ballers will go to the big name clubs and you'll be left with middling players and you'll get nowhere.

And if you listen to the parents here, and don't use volunteer parents for anything, you'll have an incredibly expensive club for middling players (as we already have)

Don’t use parent volunteers for anything and also don’t charge anyone anything. No pay for play!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A) i) the top players and teams are not playing each other; ii) parents are uneducated on development so coaches have alot of pressure on wins even if they believe in development; iii) 2% of club focus on the technical fundamentals and off-ball movement needed to progressive to higher levels. The lack of technical ability at MLS Next and ECNL is a little shocking IMHO.

B) i) The market determines the price; ii) coaches should be paid their worth; iii) EDP Futures @ Soccerplex does it the best with all teams at one location every week and no posted scored. Yes, parents gossip and know the scores but so what. If you mention an unposted score to me at a cocktail party, I literally might backslap you. These shallow parents should not be the norm like they are here.

C) Yes - Mirror Achilles approach to early develop less the cursing and antics which keeps them boutique.

D) Yes. This is where education is involved. Parents will have to understand the results don't matter before U15 but that is where you will struggle. I am not sure it can work in the DMV as the parental base is simply wealthy parents who are driven by ego. Lookup the DCU string. It has gone silent since someone called them out on this. People here use soccer to get into Princeton vs the love of the game. Most don't understand D1 is like 4th-6th division in most European countries and not really "successful" in real football terms.

I hope you're different. I hope it works out!

Since we are all in America where a kid making D1 soccer is a marker of success, how can someone say its not a successful achievement because of whats happening in another country?

Real here is real here.

No, you have taken the application of other sports like baseball and basketball and equated them to soccer. We created football and basketball so we own the development process. We are seeing the flaws in our processes over the last 20 years with amateurism in basketball as the world has taken interest in the sport since the Dream Team. We have the same head start in women's soccer and the next 20-40 years will be interesting on whether our processes are truly better.

We don't own soccer and made D1 a pathway when it is an international off-ramp to an education and a better life for international academy washouts (men's side).

You can either accept this reality or keep complaining about internationals taking your spots because it is obvious our kids are not good enough. USL Championship teams will destroy D1 teams. USL is ranked around the 75th league in the world which is equivalent to around 4th - 6th divisions in Europe. Congrats, you get to play and learn extreme time management while you learn how to be an investment banker. Congrats, your grades would have gotten you into GW but you get to go to Columbia now because of soccer. Those are both great upgrades in life. Especially for the upwardly mobile with no real aspirations of playing pro. Naturally, there are some kids who can ball and will make the MLS and Europe through the extra development in college just like there are players in lower divisions in Europe that make it to the primetime. However, the faster US sets its standards of soccer higher than D1, the faster you will see us have international success.

We're either speaking of America achievement as a measurement OR International achievement

As the PP stated, D1 is a successful achievement for an American youth soccer player, in America.
They didn't say it was the top achievement.

Your argument is not based on what they said but rather based on what you want to argue.

I guess it really depends on investment. If a violist went to a specialized school with other violinists for four years and spent 4-5 hours daily at minimum playing the violin and could not break into the major pathways to play in a major professional international orchestra by the end of high school, I think we would consider that not a major achievement if that violinist just played for fun in college and prepared to be an investment banker. If you are student athlete who simply came up through rec and school teams, D1 soccer is an achievement. If you are a MLS academy player with $100k+ invested through club fees, tournament trips, private training, group training, etc before you entered the MLS academy, I respectfully disagree D1 is an achievement. You invested alot to manufacture that player and I would question my investment and those I invested with to end with that result. No emotion here, just a different perspective you may have not considered.

Are you on mind altering drugs?

How stupid of a delusional narcissist can you be to tell people what their goals and markers for successful achievement are to them?

Players in Europe go from U8 to U18 at academies and don't make it to professional soccer careers.
Since only about 1% make it, the other 99% have lived wasted useless lives according to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A) i) the top players and teams are not playing each other; ii) parents are uneducated on development so coaches have alot of pressure on wins even if they believe in development; iii) 2% of club focus on the technical fundamentals and off-ball movement needed to progressive to higher levels. The lack of technical ability at MLS Next and ECNL is a little shocking IMHO.

B) i) The market determines the price; ii) coaches should be paid their worth; iii) EDP Futures @ Soccerplex does it the best with all teams at one location every week and no posted scored. Yes, parents gossip and know the scores but so what. If you mention an unposted score to me at a cocktail party, I literally might backslap you. These shallow parents should not be the norm like they are here.

C) Yes - Mirror Achilles approach to early develop less the cursing and antics which keeps them boutique.

D) Yes. This is where education is involved. Parents will have to understand the results don't matter before U15 but that is where you will struggle. I am not sure it can work in the DMV as the parental base is simply wealthy parents who are driven by ego. Lookup the DCU string. It has gone silent since someone called them out on this. People here use soccer to get into Princeton vs the love of the game. Most don't understand D1 is like 4th-6th division in most European countries and not really "successful" in real football terms.

I hope you're different. I hope it works out!

Since we are all in America where a kid making D1 soccer is a marker of success, how can someone say its not a successful achievement because of whats happening in another country?

Real here is real here.

No, you have taken the application of other sports like baseball and basketball and equated them to soccer. We created football and basketball so we own the development process. We are seeing the flaws in our processes over the last 20 years with amateurism in basketball as the world has taken interest in the sport since the Dream Team. We have the same head start in women's soccer and the next 20-40 years will be interesting on whether our processes are truly better.

We don't own soccer and made D1 a pathway when it is an international off-ramp to an education and a better life for international academy washouts (men's side).

You can either accept this reality or keep complaining about internationals taking your spots because it is obvious our kids are not good enough. USL Championship teams will destroy D1 teams. USL is ranked around the 75th league in the world which is equivalent to around 4th - 6th divisions in Europe. Congrats, you get to play and learn extreme time management while you learn how to be an investment banker. Congrats, your grades would have gotten you into GW but you get to go to Columbia now because of soccer. Those are both great upgrades in life. Especially for the upwardly mobile with no real aspirations of playing pro. Naturally, there are some kids who can ball and will make the MLS and Europe through the extra development in college just like there are players in lower divisions in Europe that make it to the primetime. However, the faster US sets its standards of soccer higher than D1, the faster you will see us have international success.

College sports are a unique phenomenon in the US. As big or bigger than pro sports in many other countries. Even though it’s mainly college football and basketball that are big, the aura of playing a college sport still exists for other sports. That is why there is such a desire to play a D1 sport. It has nothing to do with the level of play or a pathway to pro. College sports are the dream destination for so many. Think of it as another type of pro league. Good or bad it’s part of the American sports culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Club often ignores parents feedback on toxic coaches. Parents are not always wrong. A bad coach is a bad coach. Don’t cover up and be a good old jock club where all coaches are buddies.

so transparent reporting process for parents to teams and front office?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its all just daydreaming unless you have a concrete plan for field space.
Paying to rent space is cost prohibitive. County permits are all taken by legacy clubs with giant rec programs.

agreed. Any chance of a bubble like a commanders had for a practice facility would give teams a leg up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its all just daydreaming unless you have a concrete plan for field space.
Paying to rent space is cost prohibitive. County permits are all taken by legacy clubs with giant rec programs.

agreed. Any chance of a bubble like a commanders had for a practice facility would give teams a leg up.

How many fields does St James Academy have? Wasn’t there a time where very few and a problem for them for a while or still? They have $$$$ behind them and thought challenge for them to get fields even with $$$$, but maybe I am wrong and just read and believed too many online posts about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its all just daydreaming unless you have a concrete plan for field space.
Paying to rent space is cost prohibitive. County permits are all taken by legacy clubs with giant rec programs.

agreed. Any chance of a bubble like a commanders had for a practice facility would give teams a leg up.

How many fields does St James Academy have? Wasn’t there a time where very few and a problem for them for a while or still? They have $$$$ behind them and thought challenge for them to get fields even with $$$$, but maybe I am wrong and just read and believed too many online posts about them.

It is a problem. They lost their rented field at George Mason this year and had to rend a field at a private school in Alexandria, 20+ miles away from where families thought they would be practicing.

[Anonymous]

results don't matter until u15

there are no "elite" u12 and under players.

actually care about development and have parents that back that, if not they get kicked out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A) i) the top players and teams are not playing each other; ii) parents are uneducated on development so coaches have alot of pressure on wins even if they believe in development; iii) 2% of club focus on the technical fundamentals and off-ball movement needed to progressive to higher levels. The lack of technical ability at MLS Next and ECNL is a little shocking IMHO.

B) i) The market determines the price; ii) coaches should be paid their worth; iii) EDP Futures @ Soccerplex does it the best with all teams at one location every week and no posted scored. Yes, parents gossip and know the scores but so what. If you mention an unposted score to me at a cocktail party, I literally might backslap you. These shallow parents should not be the norm like they are here.

C) Yes - Mirror Achilles approach to early develop less the cursing and antics which keeps them boutique.

D) Yes. This is where education is involved. Parents will have to understand the results don't matter before U15 but that is where you will struggle. I am not sure it can work in the DMV as the parental base is simply wealthy parents who are driven by ego. Lookup the DCU string. It has gone silent since someone called them out on this. People here use soccer to get into Princeton vs the love of the game. Most don't understand D1 is like 4th-6th division in most European countries and not really "successful" in real football terms.

I hope you're different. I hope it works out!

Since we are all in America where a kid making D1 soccer is a marker of success, how can someone say its not a successful achievement because of whats happening in another country?

Real here is real here.

No, you have taken the application of other sports like baseball and basketball and equated them to soccer. We created football and basketball so we own the development process. We are seeing the flaws in our processes over the last 20 years with amateurism in basketball as the world has taken interest in the sport since the Dream Team. We have the same head start in women's soccer and the next 20-40 years will be interesting on whether our processes are truly better.

We don't own soccer and made D1 a pathway when it is an international off-ramp to an education and a better life for international academy washouts (men's side).

You can either accept this reality or keep complaining about internationals taking your spots because it is obvious our kids are not good enough. USL Championship teams will destroy D1 teams. USL is ranked around the 75th league in the world which is equivalent to around 4th - 6th divisions in Europe. Congrats, you get to play and learn extreme time management while you learn how to be an investment banker. Congrats, your grades would have gotten you into GW but you get to go to Columbia now because of soccer. Those are both great upgrades in life. Especially for the upwardly mobile with no real aspirations of playing pro. Naturally, there are some kids who can ball and will make the MLS and Europe through the extra development in college just like there are players in lower divisions in Europe that make it to the primetime. However, the faster US sets its standards of soccer higher than D1, the faster you will see us have international success.

We're either speaking of America achievement as a measurement OR International achievement

As the PP stated, D1 is a successful achievement for an American youth soccer player, in America.
They didn't say it was the top achievement.

Your argument is not based on what they said but rather based on what you want to argue.

I guess it really depends on investment. If a violist went to a specialized school with other violinists for four years and spent 4-5 hours daily at minimum playing the violin and could not break into the major pathways to play in a major professional international orchestra by the end of high school, I think we would consider that not a major achievement if that violinist just played for fun in college and prepared to be an investment banker. If you are student athlete who simply came up through rec and school teams, D1 soccer is an achievement. If you are a MLS academy player with $100k+ invested through club fees, tournament trips, private training, group training, etc before you entered the MLS academy, I respectfully disagree D1 is an achievement. You invested alot to manufacture that player and I would question my investment and those I invested with to end with that result. No emotion here, just a different perspective you may have not considered.

Are you on mind altering drugs?

How stupid of a delusional narcissist can you be to tell people what their goals and markers for successful achievement are to them?

Players in Europe go from U8 to U18 at academies and don't make it to professional soccer careers.
Since only about 1% make it, the other 99% have lived wasted useless lives according to you.

🤕 sorry to bruise your elitist ego. You had so much wrapped up in being a D1 dad. 😢

Truth hurts sometimes.

[Anonymous]

This must be False 8 trying to get some feedback about starting a new club. Well done CR!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A) i) the top players and teams are not playing each other; ii) parents are uneducated on development so coaches have alot of pressure on wins even if they believe in development; iii) 2% of club focus on the technical fundamentals and off-ball movement needed to progressive to higher levels. The lack of technical ability at MLS Next and ECNL is a little shocking IMHO.

B) i) The market determines the price; ii) coaches should be paid their worth; iii) EDP Futures @ Soccerplex does it the best with all teams at one location every week and no posted scored. Yes, parents gossip and know the scores but so what. If you mention an unposted score to me at a cocktail party, I literally might backslap you. These shallow parents should not be the norm like they are here.

C) Yes - Mirror Achilles approach to early develop less the cursing and antics which keeps them boutique.

D) Yes. This is where education is involved. Parents will have to understand the results don't matter before U15 but that is where you will struggle. I am not sure it can work in the DMV as the parental base is simply wealthy parents who are driven by ego. Lookup the DCU string. It has gone silent since someone called them out on this. People here use soccer to get into Princeton vs the love of the game. Most don't understand D1 is like 4th-6th division in most European countries and not really "successful" in real football terms.

I hope you're different. I hope it works out!

Since we are all in America where a kid making D1 soccer is a marker of success, how can someone say its not a successful achievement because of whats happening in another country?

Real here is real here.

No, you have taken the application of other sports like baseball and basketball and equated them to soccer. We created football and basketball so we own the development process. We are seeing the flaws in our processes over the last 20 years with amateurism in basketball as the world has taken interest in the sport since the Dream Team. We have the same head start in women's soccer and the next 20-40 years will be interesting on whether our processes are truly better.

We don't own soccer and made D1 a pathway when it is an international off-ramp to an education and a better life for international academy washouts (men's side).

You can either accept this reality or keep complaining about internationals taking your spots because it is obvious our kids are not good enough. USL Championship teams will destroy D1 teams. USL is ranked around the 75th league in the world which is equivalent to around 4th - 6th divisions in Europe. Congrats, you get to play and learn extreme time management while you learn how to be an investment banker. Congrats, your grades would have gotten you into GW but you get to go to Columbia now because of soccer. Those are both great upgrades in life. Especially for the upwardly mobile with no real aspirations of playing pro. Naturally, there are some kids who can ball and will make the MLS and Europe through the extra development in college just like there are players in lower divisions in Europe that make it to the primetime. However, the faster US sets its standards of soccer higher than D1, the faster you will see us have international success.

College sports are a unique phenomenon in the US. As big or bigger than pro sports in many other countries. Even though it’s mainly college football and basketball that are big, the aura of playing a college sport still exists for other sports. That is why there is such a desire to play a D1 sport. It has nothing to do with the level of play or a pathway to pro. College sports are the dream destination for so many. Think of it as another type of pro league. Good or bad it’s part of the American sports culture.

Correct. It is time to simply unpack the culture if we want soccer to improve in this country. We create world class basketball stars, football stars, track stars, swimmers and gymnasts through our collegiate system. It just does not apply to soccer and we have to begin to accept that it is different.

As emotional wealthy parent #1 has proved, labels mean so much to our American culture and our area:

EDP>NCSL
MLS Next>ECNL
ECNL>GA
D1>D2

None of these labels matter.
There is a reason D1 players can’t even get into international academies.

Personally, I think this is enlightening. We have a problem with the system we are investing thousands of dollars in and we should demand better and try something different.

There is nothing wrong with raising an investment banker who is really good as soccer. Current club soccer, DCU Academy and D1 is perfect for that. It is just not elite. It is a shock to the DMV socialite but the numbers and facts bear it out.

Acceptance of this will bring changes in the marketplace.

[Anonymous]

Don’t do it. It won’t work.

You can teach a kid to bat or swim or golf the right way and they might be good at those sports. Soccer is such a team game though. If you do not have high level talent and high level commitment from others for your kids to practice with, your kids wont develop like you want them to. Not to mention that lots of your kids will lose interest in whatever individual programs you have them working on and leave to do other activities that are more fun.

Just start a training program like HP Elite. Or better yet organize a consistent pickup game

[Anonymous]

Don’t waist your time. Money drives the success of these clubs and any new threat is squeezed out by more money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t waist your time. Money drives the success of these clubs and any new threat is squeezed out by more money.

Scared comment? If new club eats the pie of big clubs at younger age groups… who’s stopping the small club?