AP test scores- submit a 3 or no?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is one area where conventional wisdom seems all over the place and it's hard to get helpful advice. I wish more AOs would weigh in.

Except they DO weigh in. The large majority of AOs will tell you that while AP
classes carry great weight in college admissions the scores on the exams don’t. They generally matter very little. They’re all about college credit or getting waived from intro courses once you’re enrolled.

But that does not stop posters on this website from obsessing over the scores and wasting their time. There is just no reasoning with them. They will continue to think they matter no matter how many times you try to tell them that they don’t.

Except colleges DO ask for AP scores as part of the application. Self reporting is fine, but they will be checked upon enrollment.

No, they don't "ask" that at all.

Depends on what the definition of 'ask' is. It's an optional field on the common app and there's no reason to think that they don't use information that they welcome you to provide.

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Of course the field is optional, because not everyone takes APs.

APs are used in the admission process. From Berkeley common data set:

“Other academic indicators will continue to be assessed in the review process, including grades, the rigor of a student's courses, other non-required tests (SAT subject test, AP tests, IB test, etc.), and a student’s individual academic context.”

It’s clear AP scores matter for admissions. Clueless people posting that they don’t won’t change that.

The overwhelming majority of families living in the DMV never even think about the UC schools, then again apply. And their process is very different from everywhere else, including the importance of APs. If this website hadn’t been overrun by people in the West Coast, we could have a much more reasonable and practical discussion about college admissions from the standpoint of where most of us actually live. You interlopers are destroying this website.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is one area where conventional wisdom seems all over the place and it's hard to get helpful advice. I wish more AOs would weigh in.

Except they DO weigh in. The large majority of AOs will tell you that while AP
classes carry great weight in college admissions the scores on the exams don’t. They generally matter very little. They’re all about college credit or getting waived from intro courses once you’re enrolled.

But that does not stop posters on this website from obsessing over the scores and wasting their time. There is just no reasoning with them. They will continue to think they matter no matter how many times you try to tell them that they don’t.

Except colleges DO ask for AP scores as part of the application. Self reporting is fine, but they will be checked upon enrollment.

No, they don't "ask" that at all.

Depends on what the definition of 'ask' is. It's an optional field on the common app and there's no reason to think that they don't use information that they welcome you to provide.

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Of course the field is optional, because not everyone takes APs.

APs are used in the admission process. From Berkeley common data set:

“Other academic indicators will continue to be assessed in the review process, including grades, the rigor of a student's courses, other non-required tests (SAT subject test, AP tests, IB test, etc.), and a student’s individual academic context.”

It’s clear AP scores matter for admissions. Clueless people posting that they don’t won’t change that.

The overwhelming majority of families living in the DMV never even think about the UC schools, then again apply. And their process is very different from everywhere else, including the importance of APs. If this website hadn’t been overrun by people in the West Coast, we could have a much more reasonable and practical discussion about college admissions from the standpoint of where most of us actually live. You interlopers are destroying this website.

Do you have data that this forum was "overrun by people in the West Coast?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one area where conventional wisdom seems all over the place and it's hard to get helpful advice. I wish more AOs would weigh in.

Except they DO weigh in. The large majority of AOs will tell you that while AP
classes carry great weight in college admissions the scores on the exams don’t. They generally matter very little. They’re all about college credit or getting waived from intro courses once you’re enrolled.

But that does not stop posters on this website from obsessing over the scores and wasting their time. There is just no reasoning with them. They will continue to think they matter no matter how many times you try to tell them that they don’t.

Except colleges DO ask for AP scores as part of the application. Self reporting is fine, but they will be checked upon enrollment.

No, they don't "ask" that at all.

Depends on what the definition of 'ask' is. It's an optional field on the common app and there's no reason to think that they don't use information that they welcome you to provide.

+1

Of course the field is optional, because not everyone takes APs.

APs are used in the admission process. From Berkeley common data set:

“Other academic indicators will continue to be assessed in the review process, including grades, the rigor of a student's courses, other non-required tests (SAT subject test, AP tests, IB test, etc.), and a student’s individual academic context.”

It’s clear AP scores matter for admissions. Clueless people posting that they don’t won’t change that.

The overwhelming majority of families living in the DMV never even think about the UC schools, then again apply. And their process is very different from everywhere else, including the importance of APs. If this website hadn’t been overrun by people in the West Coast, we could have a much more reasonable and practical discussion about college admissions from the standpoint of where most of us actually live. You interlopers are destroying this website.

Do you have data that this forum was "overrun by people in the West Coast?"

Nobody on this forum has real data about anything. But it’s very obvious that there’s a heavy West Coast presence on the college forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi- we're in the midst of applications on the common app right now and were wondering if my DD should submit AP score results that are 3? We're looking at schools like Penn State, VT, Pitt, Ohio State, Wisconsin, UMD, Delaware, etc. I keep hearing to only submit 4s and 5s but was wondering if that's really the case. Will she look bad submitting a 3? thanks

What class? Some schools will give you credit for a 3, but it varies by institution. Info should be available.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one area where conventional wisdom seems all over the place and it's hard to get helpful advice. I wish more AOs would weigh in.

Except they DO weigh in. The large majority of AOs will tell you that while AP
classes carry great weight in college admissions the scores on the exams don’t. They generally matter very little. They’re all about college credit or getting waived from intro courses once you’re enrolled.

But that does not stop posters on this website from obsessing over the scores and wasting their time. There is just no reasoning with them. They will continue to think they matter no matter how many times you try to tell them that they don’t.

Except colleges DO ask for AP scores as part of the application. Self reporting is fine, but they will be checked upon enrollment.

No, they don't "ask" that at all.

Depends on what the definition of 'ask' is. It's an optional field on the common app and there's no reason to think that they don't use information that they welcome you to provide.

+1

Of course the field is optional, because not everyone takes APs.

APs are used in the admission process. From Berkeley common data set:

“Other academic indicators will continue to be assessed in the review process, including grades, the rigor of a student's courses, other non-required tests (SAT subject test, AP tests, IB test, etc.), and a student’s individual academic context.”

It’s clear AP scores matter for admissions. Clueless people posting that they don’t won’t change that.

The overwhelming majority of families living in the DMV never even think about the UC schools, then again apply. And their process is very different from everywhere else, including the importance of APs. If this website hadn’t been overrun by people in the West Coast, we could have a much more reasonable and practical discussion about college admissions from the standpoint of where most of us actually live. You interlopers are destroying this website.

What about Yale and NYU, who allow applicants to substitute APs for the SAT/ACT? There may be others. I'm also uncertain as to what AOs are saying about APs:

"The large majority of AOs will tell you that while AP classes carry great weight in college admissions the scores on the exams don’t. They generally matter very little."

So, an applicant is competing with 8 others for a spot at a Top 20. Do the AP scores influence the outcome? Probably sometimes, but not very often? Absent a blanket statement that AOs don't consider them at all, people will continue to ask like OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one area where conventional wisdom seems all over the place and it's hard to get helpful advice. I wish more AOs would weigh in.

Except they DO weigh in. The large majority of AOs will tell you that while AP
classes carry great weight in college admissions the scores on the exams don’t. They generally matter very little. They’re all about college credit or getting waived from intro courses once you’re enrolled.

But that does not stop posters on this website from obsessing over the scores and wasting their time. There is just no reasoning with them. They will continue to think they matter no matter how many times you try to tell them that they don’t.

Except colleges DO ask for AP scores as part of the application. Self reporting is fine, but they will be checked upon enrollment.

No, they don't "ask" that at all.

Depends on what the definition of 'ask' is. It's an optional field on the common app and there's no reason to think that they don't use information that they welcome you to provide.

+1

Of course the field is optional, because not everyone takes APs.

APs are used in the admission process. From Berkeley common data set:

“Other academic indicators will continue to be assessed in the review process, including grades, the rigor of a student's courses, other non-required tests (SAT subject test, AP tests, IB test, etc.), and a student’s individual academic context.”

It’s clear AP scores matter for admissions. Clueless people posting that they don’t won’t change that.

The overwhelming majority of families living in the DMV never even think about the UC schools, then again apply. And their process is very different from everywhere else, including the importance of APs. If this website hadn’t been overrun by people in the West Coast, we could have a much more reasonable and practical discussion about college admissions from the standpoint of where most of us actually live. You interlopers are destroying this website.

The admission at UC and UVA is not that different, in fact it’s correlated quite well.

Even in UVA dataset it is stated that standard tests are considered, they just don’t explicitly say AP.

This is a list of schools that specifically say students should submit AP score:

MIT, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Dartmouth, Emory, Berkeley, UCLA, Princeton Georgetown, Caltech, Notre Dame, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Rice and many more. Not all are on the west coast.

You’re just mad people pointed out your argument is stupid, and your kid doesn’t have the advance you thought they had.

But sure blame it on the west coast interlopers.

[Anonymous]

Of course students should submit AP scores, especially if applying to top colleges, that’s a control for rampant grade inflation.

From the MIT admissions page:
“Students should self-report scores for standardized exams they have taken or plan to take, such as Advanced Placement, International Baccalaureate, A-level, Baccalauréat, etc., on the Test scores section of the application. We do not require applicants to officially send scores as part of their application, and instead have a verification process upon enrollment.”

Colleges don’t ask for the AP scores so they don’t take them into account.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one area where conventional wisdom seems all over the place and it's hard to get helpful advice. I wish more AOs would weigh in.

Except they DO weigh in. The large majority of AOs will tell you that while AP
classes carry great weight in college admissions the scores on the exams don’t. They generally matter very little. They’re all about college credit or getting waived from intro courses once you’re enrolled.

But that does not stop posters on this website from obsessing over the scores and wasting their time. There is just no reasoning with them. They will continue to think they matter no matter how many times you try to tell them that they don’t.

Except colleges DO ask for AP scores as part of the application. Self reporting is fine, but they will be checked upon enrollment.

No, they don't "ask" that at all.

Depends on what the definition of 'ask' is. It's an optional field on the common app and there's no reason to think that they don't use information that they welcome you to provide.

+1

Of course the field is optional, because not everyone takes APs.

APs are used in the admission process. From Berkeley common data set:

“Other academic indicators will continue to be assessed in the review process, including grades, the rigor of a student's courses, other non-required tests (SAT subject test, AP tests, IB test, etc.), and a student’s individual academic context.”

It’s clear AP scores matter for admissions. Clueless people posting that they don’t won’t change that.

The overwhelming majority of families living in the DMV never even think about the UC schools, then again apply. And their process is very different from everywhere else, including the importance of APs. If this website hadn’t been overrun by people in the West Coast, we could have a much more reasonable and practical discussion about college admissions from the standpoint of where most of us actually live. You interlopers are destroying this website.

Do you have data that this forum was "overrun by people in the West Coast?"

Nobody on this forum has real data about anything. But it’s very obvious that there’s a heavy West Coast presence on the college forum.

Then can you point to a credible source that explicitly says AP scores are not considered?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any advice on just reporting that you are an AP Scholar and not reporting scores?

That would make it seem like you had all 3s.

Or a mix of scores depending on the classes and total number of APs.