Program Study Moving Too Fast (opinion article)

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Wow - this is an amazingly out of touch take. When the government is set to take away a program that people rely on you cannot expect them to just STFU.

Oh stop with the drama. No one said they should STFU, (though occasionally parents in this district should be told exactly that). This is not like someone is taking away food or housing or even education all together. This is a change that is being made to address real inequity in this county that has been talked about, complained about, and even reported in several studies.

I have a kid in a magnet and am absolutely happy about that because that is were said child needs to be. That said, I’m not ignorant to the fact that there are a number of other children who would also benefit from these programs and don’t because of number of seats and where they are located. I’m also not ignorant to the fact that while there may be things I want to see MCPS do better, they are also head and shoulders above A LOT of other school districts in the nation. And I’m also not ignorant to the fact that most other places don’t air out their problems nearly as much as MCPS.

Go to a top private school and you know what you will find. That your thoughts and opinions on their curriculum choices and operations while heard are often roundly ignored. And if you want to leave they will wish you well and replace you with one of the many other waiting persons. Public schools give more parent opportunity for engagement and voice and I certainly encourage that to continue. But do not confuse that with meaning that everyone’s thoughts and opinions should always be the deciding factor. Particularly when it doesn’t present all the sides. For instance the fact that the state is publishing new Science standards. Or that the state published new integrated Algebra requirements, but that now means MCPs has to figure out what to do with compacted math kids who will be done with Algebra by the end of MS, not all of whom want to be taking Linear Algebra, and those who do may not be missing content.

All this to say is there are a lot of perspectives that need to be considered.

Geez, you are on a platform titled "MCPS". What else do you expect people to discuss about other than MCPS? Please get out and enter another platform called "AAP" on dcurbanmom, and you can find all kinds of complaint or whining about FCPS (according to your standard, everything other than agreeing is complaint).

This isn’t a private school. It doesn’t matter what happens there.

And “not being ignorant” of this and that sounds like one way of saying… “the system is working for my kid, so why doesn’t everyone calm down?”

I actually hope you’re a CO troll because if you’re an actual magnet parent? Ick. I wouldn’t like you IRL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well written article!

Looks like she is in the regional program analysis team? “… and is a member of the MCPS Opportunity Design team for the district’s ongoing regional program analysis. Her opinions do not represent the official position of the MCCPTA.”

So people in the design team is so unhappy that they need to express their concerns publicly in an article? That’s a really bad sign because it indicates her voice is not heard by the team leaders, for whatever reason.

And didn't the design team members have to sign NDAs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Wow - this is an amazingly out of touch take. When the government is set to take away a program that people rely on you cannot expect them to just STFU.

Oh stop with the drama. No one said they should STFU, (though occasionally parents in this district should be told exactly that). This is not like someone is taking away food or housing or even education all together. This is a change that is being made to address real inequity in this county that has been talked about, complained about, and even reported in several studies.

I have a kid in a magnet and am absolutely happy about that because that is were said child needs to be. That said, I’m not ignorant to the fact that there are a number of other children who would also benefit from these programs and don’t because of number of seats and where they are located. I’m also not ignorant to the fact that while there may be things I want to see MCPS do better, they are also head and shoulders above A LOT of other school districts in the nation. And I’m also not ignorant to the fact that most other places don’t air out their problems nearly as much as MCPS.

Go to a top private school and you know what you will find. That your thoughts and opinions on their curriculum choices and operations while heard are often roundly ignored. And if you want to leave they will wish you well and replace you with one of the many other waiting persons. Public schools give more parent opportunity for engagement and voice and I certainly encourage that to continue. But do not confuse that with meaning that everyone’s thoughts and opinions should always be the deciding factor. Particularly when it doesn’t present all the sides. For instance the fact that the state is publishing new Science standards. Or that the state published new integrated Algebra requirements, but that now means MCPs has to figure out what to do with compacted math kids who will be done with Algebra by the end of MS, not all of whom want to be taking Linear Algebra, and those who do may not be missing content.

All this to say is there are a lot of perspectives that need to be considered.

lol I guess you forgot to read the OP. OP is saying that NO perspectives need to be considered other than the Central Office.

No, OP agreed with the opinion piece about central office's failings.

I mean the CO PP

[Anonymous]

I agree with most of the sentiment of the WP article.

My kids attended/graduated from PHS’ Global Ecology magnet and the program office hasn’t addressed how Ecology will be managed with the new proposed regional model. From the 8/21 board slides, I believe they are dismantling it but under the guise of merging SMCs and Global together, but clarification is needed. Why destroy one of the most beloved programs?

Why can’t they just work to strengthen the existing regional programs like SV, Kennedy, Watkins Mill IB? Regional programs do take a while to develop/become strong. I think Global was founded in the 1990(s)- but has only really been a strong program in the last decade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Either you’ve never attempted to engage and solve problems with MCPS yourself or you’re gaslighting.

Evelyn is on the programs design team. She talked about how the design team’s feedback has been ignored by MCPS. She also talked about how MCCPTA has made numerous attempts to engage with MCPS and their recommendations have gone unheard and disregarded.

Parents, staff, students and advocates go to the media and lawsuits after attempts to engage the system privately and directly prove fruitless. These are the only things that get MCPS to move.

And yet you are admonishing the people for using the press, which is a constitutionally enshrined institution in democracy, of which MCPS is part of via its democratically elected BOE?

You appear to be someone who works in Central Office. I would advise you to quit working or MCPS or quickly change your mindset because you have the totally incorrect and harmful mentality to be working on behalf of a public school system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Either you’ve never attempted to engage and solve problems with MCPS yourself or you’re gaslighting.

Evelyn is on the programs design team. She talked about how the design team’s feedback has been ignored by MCPS. She also talked about how MCCPTA has made numerous attempts to engage with MCPS and their recommendations have gone unheard and disregarded.

Parents, staff, students and advocates go to the media and lawsuits after attempts to engage the system privately and directly prove fruitless. These are the only things that get MCPS to move.

And yet you are admonishing the people for using the press, which is a constitutionally enshrined institution in democracy, of which MCPS is part of via its democratically elected BOE?

You appear to be someone who works in Central Office. I would advise you to quit working or MCPS or quickly change your mindset because you have the totally incorrect and harmful mentality to be working on behalf of a public school system.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Wow - this is an amazingly out of touch take. When the government is set to take away a program that people rely on you cannot expect them to just STFU.

Oh stop with the drama. No one said they should STFU, (though occasionally parents in this district should be told exactly that). This is not like someone is taking away food or housing or even education all together. This is a change that is being made to address real inequity in this county that has been talked about, complained about, and even reported in several studies.

I have a kid in a magnet and am absolutely happy about that because that is were said child needs to be. That said, I’m not ignorant to the fact that there are a number of other children who would also benefit from these programs and don’t because of number of seats and where they are located. I’m also not ignorant to the fact that while there may be things I want to see MCPS do better, they are also head and shoulders above A LOT of other school districts in the nation. And I’m also not ignorant to the fact that most other places don’t air out their problems nearly as much as MCPS.

Go to a top private school and you know what you will find. That your thoughts and opinions on their curriculum choices and operations while heard are often roundly ignored. And if you want to leave they will wish you well and replace you with one of the many other waiting persons. Public schools give more parent opportunity for engagement and voice and I certainly encourage that to continue. But do not confuse that with meaning that everyone’s thoughts and opinions should always be the deciding factor. Particularly when it doesn’t present all the sides. For instance the fact that the state is publishing new Science standards. Or that the state published new integrated Algebra requirements, but that now means MCPs has to figure out what to do with compacted math kids who will be done with Algebra by the end of MS, not all of whom want to be taking Linear Algebra, and those who do may not be missing content.

All this to say is there are a lot of perspectives that need to be considered.

Geez, you are on a platform titled "MCPS". What else do you expect people to discuss about other than MCPS? Please get out and enter another platform called "AAP" on dcurbanmom, and you can find all kinds of complaint or whining about FCPS (according to your standard, everything other than agreeing is complaint).

This isn’t a private school. It doesn’t matter what happens there.

And “not being ignorant” of this and that sounds like one way of saying… “the system is working for my kid, so why doesn’t everyone calm down?”

I actually hope you’re a CO troll because if you’re an actual magnet parent? Ick. I wouldn’t like you IRL.

I have two kids, one went through CES to magnet track, and the other one is in CES right now. From a parent perspective, I echo this article in every concern because they are all legitimate concerns. The vigorous resentful response you showed hints you are probably from central office.

As discussed in other responses, the fact that the article author is from within the study team who should have signed a NDA but still chose to speak out publicly proves that central office doesn't listen at all to community inputs. They shut their ears and eyes and show attitude exactly like yours. No this forum is not for the purpose for negativity. This is a forum for community to vet out their concerns and unhappiness about MCPS administrations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well written article!

Looks like she is in the regional program analysis team? “… and is a member of the MCPS Opportunity Design team for the district’s ongoing regional program analysis. Her opinions do not represent the official position of the MCCPTA.”

So people in the design team is so unhappy that they need to express their concerns publicly in an article? That’s a really bad sign because it indicates her voice is not heard by the team leaders, for whatever reason.

Are you new to MCPS? It would be much more shocking to learn that MCPS *is* listening to and making decisions based on what their various "advisory" committees say... them ignoring it (especially on issues where they clearly have preferred outcomes) is absolutely what I would expect. MCPS Central Office really listening to parent and community impact, even when it contradicts their own preferences, would require a major culture change. And Taylor does not seem to be up to driving that at all.

rents and community members

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

This has to be someone from Central Office, right? I bet this is the general ‘take’ among its employees. Why don’t parents calm down? “It’s hard to get people to work in CO”? Yeah- I’m right. This bizarre take is what a Central Office employee would say, couched as a “concerned parent”.

I’m the writer and No I don’t work in CO or for the school district in any other capacity. Once again, not everyone parent or family in the district shares your exact same opinion. Especially not all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well written article!

Looks like she is in the regional program analysis team? “… and is a member of the MCPS Opportunity Design team for the district’s ongoing regional program analysis. Her opinions do not represent the official position of the MCCPTA.”

So people in the design team is so unhappy that they need to express their concerns publicly in an article? That’s a really bad sign because it indicates her voice is not heard by the team leaders, for whatever reason.

Are you new to MCPS? It would be much more shocking to learn that MCPS *is* listening to and making decisions based on what their various "advisory" committees say... them ignoring it (especially on issues where they clearly have preferred outcomes) is absolutely what I would expect. MCPS Central Office really listening to parent and community impact, even when it contradicts their own preferences, would require a major culture change. And Taylor does not seem to be up to driving that at all.

rents and community members

No I'm not. I'm a long-term fighter to MCPS's ignorance to community inputs for over a decade. I'm just shocked to see from some of the responses that people now give up to fight and call others who haven't surrendered as "pure negativity". I still believe in democracy. Even though it sounds like a joke under this current administration, it's depressing to see people in the deep-blue community believes democracy never existed in its education system and will never appear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Wow - this is an amazingly out of touch take. When the government is set to take away a program that people rely on you cannot expect them to just STFU.

Oh stop with the drama. No one said they should STFU, (though occasionally parents in this district should be told exactly that). This is not like someone is taking away food or housing or even education all together. This is a change that is being made to address real inequity in this county that has been talked about, complained about, and even reported in several studies.

I have a kid in a magnet and am absolutely happy about that because that is were said child needs to be. That said, I’m not ignorant to the fact that there are a number of other children who would also benefit from these programs and don’t because of number of seats and where they are located. I’m also not ignorant to the fact that while there may be things I want to see MCPS do better, they are also head and shoulders above A LOT of other school districts in the nation. And I’m also not ignorant to the fact that most other places don’t air out their problems nearly as much as MCPS.

Go to a top private school and you know what you will find. That your thoughts and opinions on their curriculum choices and operations while heard are often roundly ignored. And if you want to leave they will wish you well and replace you with one of the many other waiting persons. Public schools give more parent opportunity for engagement and voice and I certainly encourage that to continue. But do not confuse that with meaning that everyone’s thoughts and opinions should always be the deciding factor. Particularly when it doesn’t present all the sides. For instance the fact that the state is publishing new Science standards. Or that the state published new integrated Algebra requirements, but that now means MCPs has to figure out what to do with compacted math kids who will be done with Algebra by the end of MS, not all of whom want to be taking Linear Algebra, and those who do may not be missing content.

All this to say is there are a lot of perspectives that need to be considered.

Geez, you are on a platform titled "MCPS". What else do you expect people to discuss about other than MCPS? Please get out and enter another platform called "AAP" on dcurbanmom, and you can find all kinds of complaint or whining about FCPS (according to your standard, everything other than agreeing is complaint).

This isn’t a private school. It doesn’t matter what happens there.

And “not being ignorant” of this and that sounds like one way of saying… “the system is working for my kid, so why doesn’t everyone calm down?”

I actually hope you’re a CO troll because if you’re an actual magnet parent? Ick. I wouldn’t like you IRL.

And you think you would be liked by most IRL? And for the record I have seen the AAP and Fairfax forum, and my point still stands, that forum is not nearly as busy as the MCPS forum. MCPS is well known for being the district with whiny over the top parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Wow - this is an amazingly out of touch take. When the government is set to take away a program that people rely on you cannot expect them to just STFU.

Oh stop with the drama. No one said they should STFU, (though occasionally parents in this district should be told exactly that). This is not like someone is taking away food or housing or even education all together. This is a change that is being made to address real inequity in this county that has been talked about, complained about, and even reported in several studies.

I have a kid in a magnet and am absolutely happy about that because that is were said child needs to be. That said, I’m not ignorant to the fact that there are a number of other children who would also benefit from these programs and don’t because of number of seats and where they are located. I’m also not ignorant to the fact that while there may be things I want to see MCPS do better, they are also head and shoulders above A LOT of other school districts in the nation. And I’m also not ignorant to the fact that most other places don’t air out their problems nearly as much as MCPS.

Go to a top private school and you know what you will find. That your thoughts and opinions on their curriculum choices and operations while heard are often roundly ignored. And if you want to leave they will wish you well and replace you with one of the many other waiting persons. Public schools give more parent opportunity for engagement and voice and I certainly encourage that to continue. But do not confuse that with meaning that everyone’s thoughts and opinions should always be the deciding factor. Particularly when it doesn’t present all the sides. For instance the fact that the state is publishing new Science standards. Or that the state published new integrated Algebra requirements, but that now means MCPs has to figure out what to do with compacted math kids who will be done with Algebra by the end of MS, not all of whom want to be taking Linear Algebra, and those who do may not be missing content.

All this to say is there are a lot of perspectives that need to be considered.

Geez, you are on a platform titled "MCPS". What else do you expect people to discuss about other than MCPS? Please get out and enter another platform called "AAP" on dcurbanmom, and you can find all kinds of complaint or whining about FCPS (according to your standard, everything other than agreeing is complaint).

Are you simple? This post started about an article written in Bethesda Magazine. Also the MCPS is not restricted to only people in MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Wow - this is an amazingly out of touch take. When the government is set to take away a program that people rely on you cannot expect them to just STFU.

Oh stop with the drama. No one said they should STFU, (though occasionally parents in this district should be told exactly that). This is not like someone is taking away food or housing or even education all together. This is a change that is being made to address real inequity in this county that has been talked about, complained about, and even reported in several studies.

I have a kid in a magnet and am absolutely happy about that because that is were said child needs to be. That said, I’m not ignorant to the fact that there are a number of other children who would also benefit from these programs and don’t because of number of seats and where they are located. I’m also not ignorant to the fact that while there may be things I want to see MCPS do better, they are also head and shoulders above A LOT of other school districts in the nation. And I’m also not ignorant to the fact that most other places don’t air out their problems nearly as much as MCPS.

Go to a top private school and you know what you will find. That your thoughts and opinions on their curriculum choices and operations while heard are often roundly ignored. And if you want to leave they will wish you well and replace you with one of the many other waiting persons. Public schools give more parent opportunity for engagement and voice and I certainly encourage that to continue. But do not confuse that with meaning that everyone’s thoughts and opinions should always be the deciding factor. Particularly when it doesn’t present all the sides. For instance the fact that the state is publishing new Science standards. Or that the state published new integrated Algebra requirements, but that now means MCPs has to figure out what to do with compacted math kids who will be done with Algebra by the end of MS, not all of whom want to be taking Linear Algebra, and those who do may not be missing content.

All this to say is there are a lot of perspectives that need to be considered.

Geez, you are on a platform titled "MCPS". What else do you expect people to discuss about other than MCPS? Please get out and enter another platform called "AAP" on dcurbanmom, and you can find all kinds of complaint or whining about FCPS (according to your standard, everything other than agreeing is complaint).

This isn’t a private school. It doesn’t matter what happens there.

And “not being ignorant” of this and that sounds like one way of saying… “the system is working for my kid, so why doesn’t everyone calm down?”

I actually hope you’re a CO troll because if you’re an actual magnet parent? Ick. I wouldn’t like you IRL.

I have two kids, one went through CES to magnet track, and the other one is in CES right now. From a parent perspective, I echo this article in every concern because they are all legitimate concerns. The vigorous resentful response you showed hints you are probably from central office.

As discussed in other responses, the fact that the article author is from within the study team who should have signed a NDA but still chose to speak out publicly proves that central office doesn't listen at all to community inputs. They shut their ears and eyes and show attitude exactly like yours. No this forum is not for the purpose for negativity. This is a forum for community to vet out their concerns and unhappiness about MCPS administrations.

And yoj know this how? Because you’ve heard one person’s input. I’ve heard numerous persons input. Guess what not everyone agrees that things should be slowed down. Yes, all want various questions answered, but some are highly in agreement with the 6 region model and looking forward to the possibility it brings. Because that challenges your narrative and thoughts doesn’t make it an invalid community opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Wow - this is an amazingly out of touch take. When the government is set to take away a program that people rely on you cannot expect them to just STFU.

Oh stop with the drama. No one said they should STFU, (though occasionally parents in this district should be told exactly that). This is not like someone is taking away food or housing or even education all together. This is a change that is being made to address real inequity in this county that has been talked about, complained about, and even reported in several studies.

I have a kid in a magnet and am absolutely happy about that because that is were said child needs to be. That said, I’m not ignorant to the fact that there are a number of other children who would also benefit from these programs and don’t because of number of seats and where they are located. I’m also not ignorant to the fact that while there may be things I want to see MCPS do better, they are also head and shoulders above A LOT of other school districts in the nation. And I’m also not ignorant to the fact that most other places don’t air out their problems nearly as much as MCPS.

Go to a top private school and you know what you will find. That your thoughts and opinions on their curriculum choices and operations while heard are often roundly ignored. And if you want to leave they will wish you well and replace you with one of the many other waiting persons. Public schools give more parent opportunity for engagement and voice and I certainly encourage that to continue. But do not confuse that with meaning that everyone’s thoughts and opinions should always be the deciding factor. Particularly when it doesn’t present all the sides. For instance the fact that the state is publishing new Science standards. Or that the state published new integrated Algebra requirements, but that now means MCPs has to figure out what to do with compacted math kids who will be done with Algebra by the end of MS, not all of whom want to be taking Linear Algebra, and those who do may not be missing content.

All this to say is there are a lot of perspectives that need to be considered.

The inequity doesn't mean getting rid of the top magnets. The biggest inequity is the achievement gap. CO needs to focus more on that than getting rid of the few shining stars of MCPS. No one is saying don't create more regionals. People, and the article, are saying don't get rid of the tried and true magnets when MCPS can't even show that the 4 regional IBs that they created a few years ago are successful or manage existing program to success.

how is MCPS evaluating existing programs and how will it evaluate the new ones? MCPS’s own data shows that the existing regional IB programs have had widely varying outcomes, but has not examined why. Do the coordinators or teachers need more training – or replacement? Even when MCPS plans Office of Shared Accountability program reviews, they often are released late or cancelled, such as the analysis evaluation of the criteria for magnet programs and math courses due in 2024. The district will be deciding on criteria for new regional magnets without examining the impacts of the drastic changes made to the selection process in the last eight years on curriculum, instruction, or student outcomes. MCPS should not move forward without evaluating existing programs and establishing metrics, timelines, and protocols for future reviews.

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish that folks would reach at to the media less about the school district. Not to mention complain less. Eyes and accountability are important but I don’t think people consider the damage and how difficult it also makes things.

Like does anyone realize that there is no district in the state written about or talked about more than MCPS? Heck there is no district nearby that is talked about as much and this includes FCPS which has more students and sometimes similar challenges.

I’m not suggesting that bad things should be covered up, but I am suggesting that everything doesn’t need parent opinion or to be made into a mountain. Teachers are feed up with parents. It’s hard to get people to want to do the work of Central Office. Sourcing for a Superintendent is a nightmare. No one wants to run for BOE because of salary and the backlash. Even kids hate the blood sport of competition that late to have created.

If there is anything at present that I would ask from parents it would be some calmness and discretion.

Seriously? That’s your response to this opinion piece that is well-researched, well-argued and points out serious concerns worth considering?

Just a blanket, “Leave MCPS alone” plea? Do you not see how pathetic you sound?

I didn’t say anywhere “Leave MCPS alone.” What I said is that some of ya’ll need to learn better discretion, partnership, and that the Bethesda area view of things is not the only view that must be considered. What I called out, is that the constant overly public negativity about the district does damage. As much as we can and should push for change and improvements, that should also be teemed with understanding for exactly how good things are in comparison to many school districts elsewhere, including in this very state. Not to mention, that while opinion pieces like this can be well researched and push for good things, they also bring with them a spotlight that is not always helpful.

Some of ya’ll on this board can’t manage a decision of bedtimes without crowdsourcing. Imagine if I constantly shone a spotlight on your every decision and all the inner working of your house. Imagine the stress that would cause. Imagine how much priority shifting would happen as you respond to people’s comments, questions, concerns or call out of both real and perceived failings.

Wow - this is an amazingly out of touch take. When the government is set to take away a program that people rely on you cannot expect them to just STFU.

Oh stop with the drama. No one said they should STFU, (though occasionally parents in this district should be told exactly that). This is not like someone is taking away food or housing or even education all together. This is a change that is being made to address real inequity in this county that has been talked about, complained about, and even reported in several studies.

I have a kid in a magnet and am absolutely happy about that because that is were said child needs to be. That said, I’m not ignorant to the fact that there are a number of other children who would also benefit from these programs and don’t because of number of seats and where they are located. I’m also not ignorant to the fact that while there may be things I want to see MCPS do better, they are also head and shoulders above A LOT of other school districts in the nation. And I’m also not ignorant to the fact that most other places don’t air out their problems nearly as much as MCPS.

Go to a top private school and you know what you will find. That your thoughts and opinions on their curriculum choices and operations while heard are often roundly ignored. And if you want to leave they will wish you well and replace you with one of the many other waiting persons. Public schools give more parent opportunity for engagement and voice and I certainly encourage that to continue. But do not confuse that with meaning that everyone’s thoughts and opinions should always be the deciding factor. Particularly when it doesn’t present all the sides. For instance the fact that the state is publishing new Science standards. Or that the state published new integrated Algebra requirements, but that now means MCPs has to figure out what to do with compacted math kids who will be done with Algebra by the end of MS, not all of whom want to be taking Linear Algebra, and those who do may not be missing content.

All this to say is there are a lot of perspectives that need to be considered.

Geez, you are on a platform titled "MCPS". What else do you expect people to discuss about other than MCPS? Please get out and enter another platform called "AAP" on dcurbanmom, and you can find all kinds of complaint or whining about FCPS (according to your standard, everything other than agreeing is complaint).

This isn’t a private school. It doesn’t matter what happens there.

And “not being ignorant” of this and that sounds like one way of saying… “the system is working for my kid, so why doesn’t everyone calm down?”

I actually hope you’re a CO troll because if you’re an actual magnet parent? Ick. I wouldn’t like you IRL.

I have two kids, one went through CES to magnet track, and the other one is in CES right now. From a parent perspective, I echo this article in every concern because they are all legitimate concerns. The vigorous resentful response you showed hints you are probably from central office.

As discussed in other responses, the fact that the article author is from within the study team who should have signed a NDA but still chose to speak out publicly proves that central office doesn't listen at all to community inputs. They shut their ears and eyes and show attitude exactly like yours. No this forum is not for the purpose for negativity. This is a forum for community to vet out their concerns and unhappiness about MCPS administrations.

And yoj know this how? Because you’ve heard one person’s input. I’ve heard numerous persons input. Guess what not everyone agrees that things should be slowed down. Yes, all want various questions answered, but some are highly in agreement with the 6 region model and looking forward to the possibility it brings. Because that challenges your narrative and thoughts doesn’t make it an invalid community opinion.

MCPS can't even manage the programs that they have now, or do any kind of analysis of those programs. Yes, they need to slow down the process and think things through.

My kids were the first class to be the 2.0 guinea pigs. We moved here right as 2.0 was starting. I was willing to give it a shot, but I also didn't have the history of 2.0 or MCPS when we moved here. I heard parents complaining about 2.0 and how awful it was. I thought the same as you.. let's give it a shot; those parents should stop complaining. I even wrote a long post about it on this forum to give it a shot.

Boy, was I wrong. After 10+ years in MCPS I have learned that MCPS is terrible at managing and implementing programs.

We moved here because of the magnet programs. Such a huge loss to MCPS to get rid of the county wide magnets that draw the best and brightest from around the country. This is our last year in MCPS, thank god.