Signs indicate that Eliot-Hine is…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Why is that false?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

Easy HYPSM admit!

If they have a great IB Diploma score and the type of SAT scores that get you into those schools, it is indeed an easy HYPSM admit.

[Anonymous]

HYPSM is very difficult to nearly impossible to get into from almost anywhere. This is extremely dumb argument in favor of Eastern. Improvements at EH which were the subject of this thread dont necessarily extend to Eastern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Why is that false?

Because there is no magic loophole whereby your (likely average) white kid suddenly gets into Yale because they deigned to go to a poor, predominantly black school. Relatedly, sending your white kid to Eastern doesn’t actually turn them into an academic superstar just because they are white. And the affluent schools in fact have resources that in some respects makes the education better (better teachers, more focused on college prep, better labs, etc). people who believe this have some strange belief in the power of whiteness - “my kid’s whiteness will excel anywhere without any effort!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

Easy HYPSM admit!

If they have a great IB Diploma score and the type of SAT scores that get you into those schools, it is indeed an easy HYPSM admit.

No it’s not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Why is that false?

Because there is no magic loophole whereby your (likely average) white kid suddenly gets into Yale because they deigned to go to a poor, predominantly black school. Relatedly, sending your white kid to Eastern doesn’t actually turn them into an academic superstar just because they are white. And the affluent schools in fact have resources that in some respects makes the education better (better teachers, more focused on college prep, better labs, etc). people who believe this have some strange belief in the power of whiteness - “my kid’s whiteness will excel anywhere without any effort!”

Thank you for this. It is true that on occasion some internships or similar will be open to students at eastern, and yes most of those are scooped up by the few white kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:27 kids passed algebra. That's a count and passage rate just slightly lower than Oyster-Adams and Latin. The overall CAPE numbers aren't good, but there's a cohort of high-performing kids and it's not tiny.

Wow go EH! also they are flexible about letting 7th graders take algebra. I think a handful of 6th graders do too (because a few 8th graders do geometry).

so a like a mini hardy!

E-H's facilities are much better than Hardy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

Easy HYPSM admit!

If they have a great IB Diploma score and the type of SAT scores that get you into those schools, it is indeed an easy HYPSM admit.

Nah bro…Eastern is the bomb

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Me too. I've never understood this thinking. It betrays a real lack of knowledge about college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Why is that false?

Because there is no magic loophole whereby your (likely average) white kid suddenly gets into Yale because they deigned to go to a poor, predominantly black school. Relatedly, sending your white kid to Eastern doesn’t actually turn them into an academic superstar just because they are white. And the affluent schools in fact have resources that in some respects makes the education better (better teachers, more focused on college prep, better labs, etc). people who believe this have some strange belief in the power of whiteness - “my kid’s whiteness will excel anywhere without any effort!”

Thank you for this. It is true that on occasion some internships or similar will be open to students at eastern, and yes most of those are scooped up by the few white kids.

I mean - it is the same at Eliot-Hine. my (white) kid got into all sorts of stuff that is much more competitive elsewhere. It is a nice aspect of the school but hardly means he is going to get into Harvard because he did the middle school play

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Me too. I've never understood this thinking. It betrays a real lack of knowledge about college admissions.

I think it is adjacent to the yucky grievance culture surrounding hypercompetitive college admissions in this area. “If we had sent Larlo to the IB HS in rural North Dakota he totally would have gotten into Yale. so unfair!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Me too. I've never understood this thinking. It betrays a real lack of knowledge about college admissions.

I think it is adjacent to the yucky grievance culture surrounding hypercompetitive college admissions in this area. “If we had sent Larlo to the IB HS in rural North Dakota he totally would have gotten into Yale. so unfair!”

Absolutely. It stems from a sense of entitlement for their kids to spots at highly competitive schools and the disbelief that anyone else might actually *earn* those spots over their (often middle of the road, perfectly smart but not particularly standout) kids.

Regarding the actual thread topic, we are IB for Stuart-Hobson but giving E-H a look because it might be a better personality fit for our kid, who is on the quiet side. We know a bunch of kids at both schools and the ones at E-H seem more like our kid. It's also more convenient to our house, not sure if we have a proximity preference or not but it would be a mildly better commute for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Me too. I've never understood this thinking. It betrays a real lack of knowledge about college admissions.

I think it is adjacent to the yucky grievance culture surrounding hypercompetitive college admissions in this area. “If we had sent Larlo to the IB HS in rural North Dakota he totally would have gotten into Yale. so unfair!”

Absolutely. It stems from a sense of entitlement for their kids to spots at highly competitive schools and the disbelief that anyone else might actually *earn* those spots over their (often middle of the road, perfectly smart but not particularly standout) kids.

Regarding the actual thread topic, we are IB for Stuart-Hobson but giving E-H a look because it might be a better personality fit for our kid, who is on the quiet side. We know a bunch of kids at both schools and the ones at E-H seem more like our kid. It's also more convenient to our house, not sure if we have a proximity preference or not but it would be a mildly better commute for her.

I think there's a bit of truth to the dynamics. A bunch of these parents *were* the kids from rural Idaho or small town Mississippi or whatever who went to HYP. It is harder for their kids to get in the same schools from DC.

[Anonymous]

As a rural kid who went to a bad public high school and then HYP, I cannot recommend the strategy. Because it doesn't really work that way, and because it's a high price to pay for uncertain results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine for UMC white families perhaps, but ambitious black families can’t risk it.

if a white UMC kid graduates eastern, they will likely get into the college of their choice

False. I wish people would stop saying this.

Me too. I've never understood this thinking. It betrays a real lack of knowledge about college admissions.

I think it is adjacent to the yucky grievance culture surrounding hypercompetitive college admissions in this area. “If we had sent Larlo to the IB HS in rural North Dakota he totally would have gotten into Yale. so unfair!”

Absolutely. It stems from a sense of entitlement for their kids to spots at highly competitive schools and the disbelief that anyone else might actually *earn* those spots over their (often middle of the road, perfectly smart but not particularly standout) kids.

Regarding the actual thread topic, we are IB for Stuart-Hobson but giving E-H a look because it might be a better personality fit for our kid, who is on the quiet side. We know a bunch of kids at both schools and the ones at E-H seem more like our kid. It's also more convenient to our house, not sure if we have a proximity preference or not but it would be a mildly better commute for her.

I think there's a bit of truth to the dynamics. A bunch of these parents *were* the kids from rural Idaho or small town Mississippi or whatever who went to HYP. It is harder for their kids to get in the same schools from DC.

Yes but there is no reason for bitterness about it. If you were the kid from rural Idaho who got straight As and nailed the SAT despite being from a place that most people don't leave and where academics aren't necessarily a focus, then you were special in a way that a school like HYP likely recognized and rewarded.

If you then move to DC and give your child every advantage and start angling for their admission to an Ivy when they are in 5th grade, thinking you can recreate what made you special as an applicant by sending your kid to an inner city high school with very low test scores and a low college matriculation rate, HYP *should* see through that because it's just not the same thing at all.

Your kids have lived a different life than you did. They are different people. Maybe they should go to different schools. Maybe HYP wouldn't be a good fit even if they could get in. Maybe you should just make education decisions based on your kid and what makes sense for them and works for your family and not with an eye towards ensuring your kid can attend the same college you did.