private school vouchers--any chatter yet?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious on how the private school voucher program passed in the Big Beautiful (yuck) Bill will go. Not a fan of BBB, but if the $ is going to be there to help with tuition, we might apply. I know states need to opt-in, I'm guessing that Maryland will not but there's a decent chance Virginia would if the deadline is before the new gov. Research suggests that when these types of programs pass in states that private school tuition goes up...really hope we don't see that happen. My concern is that our private will bump tuition more than the usual hike but then the voucher program will go away when Trump leaves office (let's hope), leaving us with much higher tuition. It also seems like there is a lot of ?! on the amount of the actual voucher, since it depends on how many people "donate" to the fund for tax breaks, and what the "scholarship" recipient orgs actually offer...anyway, sounds like it's going to be a long process with Dept of Ed needing to issue guidance/regulations, but don't know who's going to do that when their staff is so gutted.

(I hate to admit it, but a 2-3K discount/kid would give us some breathing room)

No
Absolutely no
Religious privates will have no oversight under project 2025

Keep your moms4 liberty crap away from kids

Public school $ should not go to pay for you to indoctrinate your kidv

Public schools are already indoctrinating kids with left wing concepts. Fortunately we were able to avoid public school without financial help. With public schools going off the rails with their crazy ideology, we need vouchers to give parents options.

Hanging out on DCUM, but not from around here? The public schools are way less progressive than the privates around here. At least the elite and lower tier ones. I don’t know about the crappy ones.

PP here. I am in Montgomery County FWIW. The public schools here are extremely progressive, much more so than my kid's highly ranked Catholic HS. Just check out the recent Supreme Court case MCPS just lost, and you will understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could you share what state that is? I get my info from colleagues who work in the ed policy space and would appreciate being able to fact check their info.

Arizona. It is funded through state tax dollars. There are no income limits.

But did you see what has happened to the Arizona state budget as a result.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizonas-1-billion-dollars-esa-voucher-experiment-hurting-high-performing-public-districts-charter-schools/75-783b72bf-81d0-4a21-aae5-58cb66e824cd

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

Clearly public schools don't have a monopoly as private schools exist. Also, have you asked yourself why public schools aren't improving? Could it be because the same people so in love with vouchers and private schools, are also in love with putting constraints on public schools? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to take every student who applied, regardless of income, special needs, or parental support? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to test all kids every year from 1-12th?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

Clearly public schools don't have a monopoly as private schools exist. Also, have you asked yourself why public schools aren't improving? Could it be because the same people so in love with vouchers and private schools, are also in love with putting constraints on public schools? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to take every student who applied, regardless of income, special needs, or parental support? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to test all kids every year from 1-12th?

Private school is effectively a monopoly only for some income brackets. Ask yourself why that's fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

Clearly public schools don't have a monopoly as private schools exist. Also, have you asked yourself why public schools aren't improving? Could it be because the same people so in love with vouchers and private schools, are also in love with putting constraints on public schools? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to take every student who applied, regardless of income, special needs, or parental support? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to test all kids every year from 1-12th?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

You think that the issues that schools face will be helped by defunding them?

GMAFB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

It's not just that. Ideally vouchers should be a way to provide people with less means the exact same flexibility that people who have more financial assets (or grandparent help) have. There are definitely people who would be at private if they could afford it because they care about education. Don't those people matter?

Now I'm not saying vouchers actually fix this in practice. I'm just saying this is how many voucher supporters think. And I say that as someone paying full tuition for my kids at private school.

Sounds like socialism to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious on how the private school voucher program passed in the Big Beautiful (yuck) Bill will go. Not a fan of BBB, but if the $ is going to be there to help with tuition, we might apply. I know states need to opt-in, I'm guessing that Maryland will not but there's a decent chance Virginia would if the deadline is before the new gov. Research suggests that when these types of programs pass in states that private school tuition goes up...really hope we don't see that happen. My concern is that our private will bump tuition more than the usual hike but then the voucher program will go away when Trump leaves office (let's hope), leaving us with much higher tuition. It also seems like there is a lot of ?! on the amount of the actual voucher, since it depends on how many people "donate" to the fund for tax breaks, and what the "scholarship" recipient orgs actually offer...anyway, sounds like it's going to be a long process with Dept of Ed needing to issue guidance/regulations, but don't know who's going to do that when their staff is so gutted.

(I hate to admit it, but a 2-3K discount/kid would give us some breathing room)

No
Absolutely no
Religious privates will have no oversight under project 2025

Keep your moms4 liberty crap away from kids

Public school $ should not go to pay for you to indoctrinate your kidv

Public schools are already indoctrinating kids with left wing concepts. Fortunately we were able to avoid public school without financial help. With public schools going off the rails with their crazy ideology, we need vouchers to give parents options.

Hanging out on DCUM, but not from around here? The public schools are way less progressive than the privates around here. At least the elite and lower tier ones. I don’t know about the crappy ones.

PP here. I am in Montgomery County FWIW. The public schools here are extremely progressive, much more so than my kid's highly ranked Catholic HS. Just check out the recent Supreme Court case MCPS just lost, and you will understand.

+1 My kids’ Catholic school strives to be apolitical. MCPS strives to indoctrinate its students with progressive ideology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

Clearly public schools don't have a monopoly as private schools exist. Also, have you asked yourself why public schools aren't improving? Could it be because the same people so in love with vouchers and private schools, are also in love with putting constraints on public schools? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to take every student who applied, regardless of income, special needs, or parental support? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to test all kids every year from 1-12th?

Private school is effectively a monopoly only for some income brackets. Ask yourself why that's fair.

DP: Fair or equal? Capitalist societies aren't about equal, are they? But everyone paying taxes to allow for a free public education for all is fair, even though some pay more taxes than others and everyone pays whether they use the schools or not (which doesn't always feel fair to some).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

Clearly public schools don't have a monopoly as private schools exist. Also, have you asked yourself why public schools aren't improving? Could it be because the same people so in love with vouchers and private schools, are also in love with putting constraints on public schools? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to take every student who applied, regardless of income, special needs, or parental support? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to test all kids every year from 1-12th?

Private school is effectively a monopoly only for some income brackets. Ask yourself why that's fair.

DP: Fair or equal? Capitalist societies aren't about equal, are they? But everyone paying taxes to allow for a free public education for all is fair, even though some pay more taxes than others and everyone pays whether they use the schools or not (which doesn't always feel fair to some).

So if we divert the taxes paid to a free education for all and now move it private education, does that make the system unfair?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

Clearly public schools don't have a monopoly as private schools exist. Also, have you asked yourself why public schools aren't improving? Could it be because the same people so in love with vouchers and private schools, are also in love with putting constraints on public schools? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to take every student who applied, regardless of income, special needs, or parental support? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to test all kids every year from 1-12th?

Private school is effectively a monopoly only for some income brackets. Ask yourself why that's fair.

DP: Fair or equal? Capitalist societies aren't about equal, are they? But everyone paying taxes to allow for a free public education for all is fair, even though some pay more taxes than others and everyone pays whether they use the schools or not (which doesn't always feel fair to some).

So if we divert the taxes paid to a free education for all and now move it private education, does that make the system unfair?

You know… we tried that. There IS a reason we ended up with the public education system we have. It doesn’t work perfectly, but it works far better than some piece meal system full of grift and uneven educational success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious on how the private school voucher program passed in the Big Beautiful (yuck) Bill will go. Not a fan of BBB, but if the $ is going to be there to help with tuition, we might apply. I know states need to opt-in, I'm guessing that Maryland will not but there's a decent chance Virginia would if the deadline is before the new gov. Research suggests that when these types of programs pass in states that private school tuition goes up...really hope we don't see that happen. My concern is that our private will bump tuition more than the usual hike but then the voucher program will go away when Trump leaves office (let's hope), leaving us with much higher tuition. It also seems like there is a lot of ?! on the amount of the actual voucher, since it depends on how many people "donate" to the fund for tax breaks, and what the "scholarship" recipient orgs actually offer...anyway, sounds like it's going to be a long process with Dept of Ed needing to issue guidance/regulations, but don't know who's going to do that when their staff is so gutted.

(I hate to admit it, but a 2-3K discount/kid would give us some breathing room)

No
Absolutely no
Religious privates will have no oversight under project 2025

Keep your moms4 liberty crap away from kids

Public school $ should not go to pay for you to indoctrinate your kidv

Public schools are already indoctrinating kids with left wing concepts. Fortunately we were able to avoid public school without financial help. With public schools going off the rails with their crazy ideology, we need vouchers to give parents options.

Hanging out on DCUM, but not from around here? The public schools are way less progressive than the privates around here. At least the elite and lower tier ones. I don’t know about the crappy ones.

PP here. I am in Montgomery County FWIW. The public schools here are extremely progressive, much more so than my kid's highly ranked Catholic HS. Just check out the recent Supreme Court case MCPS just lost, and you will understand.

+1 My kids’ Catholic school strives to be apolitical. MCPS strives to indoctrinate its students with progressive ideology.

Teaching things you don’t “like” is not progressive ideology. It’s just shit you don’t like. And as much as you hate to hear it, snowflake, there are lots of things you don’t like that you have to learn about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious on how the private school voucher program passed in the Big Beautiful (yuck) Bill will go. Not a fan of BBB, but if the $ is going to be there to help with tuition, we might apply. I know states need to opt-in, I'm guessing that Maryland will not but there's a decent chance Virginia would if the deadline is before the new gov. Research suggests that when these types of programs pass in states that private school tuition goes up...really hope we don't see that happen. My concern is that our private will bump tuition more than the usual hike but then the voucher program will go away when Trump leaves office (let's hope), leaving us with much higher tuition. It also seems like there is a lot of ?! on the amount of the actual voucher, since it depends on how many people "donate" to the fund for tax breaks, and what the "scholarship" recipient orgs actually offer...anyway, sounds like it's going to be a long process with Dept of Ed needing to issue guidance/regulations, but don't know who's going to do that when their staff is so gutted.

(I hate to admit it, but a 2-3K discount/kid would give us some breathing room)

No
Absolutely no
Religious privates will have no oversight under project 2025

Keep your moms4 liberty crap away from kids

Public school $ should not go to pay for you to indoctrinate your kidv

Public schools are already indoctrinating kids with left wing concepts. Fortunately we were able to avoid public school without financial help. With public schools going off the rails with their crazy ideology, we need vouchers to give parents options.

Hanging out on DCUM, but not from around here? The public schools are way less progressive than the privates around here. At least the elite and lower tier ones. I don’t know about the crappy ones.

PP here. I am in Montgomery County FWIW. The public schools here are extremely progressive, much more so than my kid's highly ranked Catholic HS. Just check out the recent Supreme Court case MCPS just lost, and you will understand.

+1 My kids’ Catholic school strives to be apolitical. MCPS strives to indoctrinate its students with progressive ideology.

Teaching things you don’t “like” is not progressive ideology. It’s just shit you don’t like. And as much as you hate to hear it, snowflake, there are lots of things you don’t like that you have to learn about.

Not anymore! Opt out is now available to families. Thank the Lord!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Maybe so.

But there's also a lot of people who want to pressure the public schools into improving by giving more people an opportunity to vote with their feet.

It ought to be abundantly clear that the public school monopoly is a problem. 17% of MoCo high schoolers already attend private schools without vouchers.

Clearly public schools don't have a monopoly as private schools exist. Also, have you asked yourself why public schools aren't improving? Could it be because the same people so in love with vouchers and private schools, are also in love with putting constraints on public schools? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to take every student who applied, regardless of income, special needs, or parental support? What would happen if private schools suddenly had to test all kids every year from 1-12th?

Private school is effectively a monopoly only for some income brackets. Ask yourself why that's fair.

DP: Fair or equal? Capitalist societies aren't about equal, are they? But everyone paying taxes to allow for a free public education for all is fair, even though some pay more taxes than others and everyone pays whether they use the schools or not (which doesn't always feel fair to some).

It’s also fair because we pay for exclusivity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People whose children are already in private school should be exempted from getting vouchers. You already made the choice, you can clearly avoid it, or are getting financial aid. Let other people have an opportunity, selfish OP.

You've just discovered by Republicans love vouchers.

They want taxpayers to subsidize their kid's private school tuition.

Taxpayers subsidize all children’s education. Dummy