Our dog played with a beautiful Pitt lab mix at the dog park yesterday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

Exactly, but good luck making sense on this thread (or anywhere else in the pets forum, really).

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but I don’t think it’s true

Since you're just here to troll, take the inverse and go first: "a pit is more dangerous than any other breed" (which seems to be your premise/bias). How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but it's simply not true.

A trained dog is a trained dog. An untrained dog of any breed is a liability.

The data is that every week there is at least one mauling or death caused by a pitbull or pitbull "mix" breed.

This is not the case with any other breed, not even the vicious ankle biters, and definitely not those aggressive doodle breeds.

[Anonymous]

There is a reason that shelters are full of unadoptable pitbulls and pitbull mixes, with almost zero other breeds, and it is not because pitbull breeds are "goody sweet family dogs"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The dog was blue gray with a lithe longer body and a classic Pitt bull head/jaw. They were just playing and wrestling, and my dog had a good time, but I could see how quickly the dog could seriously hurt any animal it wanted to. It was so strong and quick and knew how to lower its head and charge and then quickly change direction and twist its body around to get to my dogs flank. It was sort of fascinating to watch how skilled it was (and it was a beautiful dog, and only playing thankfully).

I could see how people claim these dogs are built for fighting.

So what’s the answer? Some of the areas around where I live ban Pitt bulls. I know some people probably don’t think that’s fair, but I’m not sure.

Fwiw the owner adopted the dog from Alabama and was told it was a ‘lab mix’. He laughed because he said obviously that was somewhat misleading.

Keep an eye on your dog or leave when the pitbull "mixes" show up.

You don't want your dog to get mauled by one.

Anyone who cares about their dog(s) will avoid "dog parks" on principle alone. Unsafe environments populated with ignorant (at best) owners and poorly-trained animals.

People who avoid dog parks tend to have issues IME. Dog parks are awesome

Vets, trainers, and more-experienced owners all disagree, but go off

My vet and trainers don’t agree. And I’ve had dogs all my life. Love dog parks. Also lived in parts of Europe where dog parks and off leash dogs are extremely common. Difference from the US = pit bulls and reactive breeds are banned

I think people who hate dog parks tend to be those with reactive dogs who resent others who have dogs who can get along with other dogs, mostly without incident

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

Exactly, but good luck making sense on this thread (or anywhere else in the pets forum, really).

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but I don’t think it’s true

Since you're just here to troll, take the inverse and go first: "a pit is more dangerous than any other breed" (which seems to be your premise/bias). How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but it's simply not true.

A trained dog is a trained dog. An untrained dog of any breed is a liability.

Where is your data on this? The thing that bothers me is you seem to have this mythical idea of a ‘trained dog’ or ‘responsible owner’ as the solution. But I don’t want to have to depend on a perfectly trained dog or perfect owner to ensure children, people and other animals won’t be mauled to death.

I’ve had tons of dogs throughout my life, from large breeds to small ones, including a few that were reactive and bitey. The ones who bit would bite face forward and it was always a snap and release, and retreat in most cases. Not ideal, but no one’s dying.

I don’t know what the answer is exactly but I tend to think pit bulls should be banned. They’re just naturally too good at fighting and that’s dangerous to others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

How old are you? I grew up in the 1970s. There weren’t ‘ethical’ breeders back then any more than there are today. And owners were far worse than today in terms of training. The difference was that mutts were Benji type mutts. Today they are usually pitts. Back in my day, people’s dogs got out constantly, dug holes in people’s yards, occasionally there would be a bite, but never lethal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason that shelters are full of unadoptable pitbulls and pitbull mixes, with almost zero other breeds, and it is not because pitbull breeds are "goody sweet family dogs"

Sure, it's because for-profit dog rehoming groups, and some reputable rescue organizations, will foster out non-pit dogs who might be easier to rehome because they don't face the stereotypes pit/pit mix dogs do. The dogs that are "leftover" are left over at the shelter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

How old are you? I grew up in the 1970s. There weren’t ‘ethical’ breeders back then any more than there are today. And owners were far worse than today in terms of training. The difference was that mutts were Benji type mutts. Today they are usually pitts. Back in my day, people’s dogs got out constantly, dug holes in people’s yards, occasionally there would be a bite, but never lethal.

You do realize that this is still far and away the norm, right? And that the reason you hear about every "lethal" bite is that it's rare enough to make a it a sensation (aka good clickbait)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

Exactly, but good luck making sense on this thread (or anywhere else in the pets forum, really).

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but I don’t think it’s true

Since you're just here to troll, take the inverse and go first: "a pit is more dangerous than any other breed" (which seems to be your premise/bias). How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but it's simply not true.

A trained dog is a trained dog. An untrained dog of any breed is a liability.

Where is your data on this? The thing that bothers me is you seem to have this mythical idea of a ‘trained dog’ or ‘responsible owner’ as the solution. But I don’t want to have to depend on a perfectly trained dog or perfect owner to ensure children, people and other animals won’t be mauled to death.

I’ve had tons of dogs throughout my life, from large breeds to small ones, including a few that were reactive and bitey. The ones who bit would bite face forward and it was always a snap and release, and retreat in most cases. Not ideal, but no one’s dying.

I don’t know what the answer is exactly but I tend to think pit bulls should be banned. They’re just naturally too good at fighting and that’s dangerous to others.

Ignorant trolls on the internet, too. Same logic, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

Exactly, but good luck making sense on this thread (or anywhere else in the pets forum, really).

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but I don’t think it’s true

Since you're just here to troll, take the inverse and go first: "a pit is more dangerous than any other breed" (which seems to be your premise/bias). How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but it's simply not true.

A trained dog is a trained dog. An untrained dog of any breed is a liability.

Where is your data on this? The thing that bothers me is you seem to have this mythical idea of a ‘trained dog’ or ‘responsible owner’ as the solution. But I don’t want to have to depend on a perfectly trained dog or perfect owner to ensure children, people and other animals won’t be mauled to death.

I’ve had tons of dogs throughout my life, from large breeds to small ones, including a few that were reactive and bitey. The ones who bit would bite face forward and it was always a snap and release, and retreat in most cases. Not ideal, but no one’s dying.

I don’t know what the answer is exactly but I tend to think pit bulls should be banned. They’re just naturally too good at fighting and that’s dangerous to others.

If "pit bulls" were as dangerous as you seem to think, there would be no children, people and other animals left.

They're not. Yes, some are poorly trained/handled, and the consequences can be horrible. These are rare instances. This isn't an every day in every town situation.

If you want accurate stats, you need to look at the total population of dogs that count as "pit and pit mix" and then the total number of bite incidents by breed for all dogs. Good luck finding these stats. I've looked; they don't exist. Without them, these arguments are totally meaningless, and largely based in emotion and bias, not actual facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

How old are you? I grew up in the 1970s. There weren’t ‘ethical’ breeders back then any more than there are today. And owners were far worse than today in terms of training. The difference was that mutts were Benji type mutts. Today they are usually pitts. Back in my day, people’s dogs got out constantly, dug holes in people’s yards, occasionally there would be a bite, but never lethal.

This isn't true. There's a crazy diversity of dogs, and far more people are likely to own them than they did "back in our day". The quality of ownership has gone WAY down. People feel entitled to have a dog, justify horrible handling in the name of crazy shit like "emotional support animals", and regularly break the laws that are designed to keep public spaces safe for the entirety of the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

Exactly, but good luck making sense on this thread (or anywhere else in the pets forum, really).

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but I don’t think it’s true

Since you're just here to troll, take the inverse and go first: "a pit is more dangerous than any other breed" (which seems to be your premise/bias). How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but it's simply not true.

A trained dog is a trained dog. An untrained dog of any breed is a liability.

The data is that every week there is at least one mauling or death caused by a pitbull or pitbull "mix" breed.

This is not the case with any other breed, not even the vicious ankle biters, and definitely not those aggressive doodle breeds.

Citation needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

How old are you? I grew up in the 1970s. There weren’t ‘ethical’ breeders back then any more than there are today. And owners were far worse than today in terms of training. The difference was that mutts were Benji type mutts. Today they are usually pitts. Back in my day, people’s dogs got out constantly, dug holes in people’s yards, occasionally there would be a bite, but never lethal.

You do realize that this is still far and away the norm, right? And that the reason you hear about every "lethal" bite is that it's rare enough to make a it a sensation (aka good clickbait)?

Unfortunately it doesn’t seem as rare as it should. I regularly hear of pretty serious dog attacks. There has to be an answer for this. I understand people’s love of their dogs and breed, but unfortunately I do see a lethality difference and I don’t think the answer is to depend on perfect owner compliance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

How old are you? I grew up in the 1970s. There weren’t ‘ethical’ breeders back then any more than there are today. And owners were far worse than today in terms of training. The difference was that mutts were Benji type mutts. Today they are usually pitts. Back in my day, people’s dogs got out constantly, dug holes in people’s yards, occasionally there would be a bite, but never lethal.

This isn't true. There's a crazy diversity of dogs, and far more people are likely to own them than they did "back in our day". The quality of ownership has gone WAY down. People feel entitled to have a dog, justify horrible handling in the name of crazy shit like "emotional support animals", and regularly break the laws that are designed to keep public spaces safe for the entirety of the public.

Can you cite to this diversity of dogs? I’ve read the opposite

[Anonymous]

^ and I think the quality of ownership has gone way up. People take care of their pets in a way that did not exist when I was growing up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

How old are you? I grew up in the 1970s. There weren’t ‘ethical’ breeders back then any more than there are today. And owners were far worse than today in terms of training. The difference was that mutts were Benji type mutts. Today they are usually pitts. Back in my day, people’s dogs got out constantly, dug holes in people’s yards, occasionally there would be a bite, but never lethal.

This isn't true. There's a crazy diversity of dogs, and far more people are likely to own them than they did "back in our day". The quality of ownership has gone WAY down. People feel entitled to have a dog, justify horrible handling in the name of crazy shit like "emotional support animals", and regularly break the laws that are designed to keep public spaces safe for the entirety of the public.

Exactly what laws are being broken or not broken that would justify having a dog that can easily kill another as a pet?


I just think you’re far too focused on ‘good owners’. I don’t even know what that means.