Anyone not pursuing a 504 or IEP due to political climate

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has an actual disability and need, so this isn't something I've actually considered.

Many disabilities are not as apparent at younger ages when the academic and social demands are not as high.

My kid's were. He had an IEP from K to 11th grade, and a 504 in 12th grade. Currently successful in college, with accommodations, and right now has a summer job.

OP's question is ridiculous and borderline offensive. No one is rounding up kids with "labels", or stamping their Life File For Eternity Such That They Can't Get Jobs. As another poster said, this smacks of cold feet and denial.

Those of us whose kids could not function in school without services and accommodations are thankful that they exist, and plan to utilize them for as long as they're still offered.

I agree that it is highly unlikely that OP's child would be harmed by the Trump administration if they get an IEP or 504 plan, but it is not "offensive" to worry about this. Jfc

I get that you have a different situation on your household, but my child's or OP's child's situation is real and not an affront to you. We exist and have a right to exist.

it kind of is offensive though. I agree with PP.

Disagree. I assume posters on this forum, esp those new to navigating the educational services world, are genuinely asking for help. I try to offer it in the same spirit. We were all new once.

If you can’t say something nice…

These questions all imply that being one of “those” kids is something to be avoided or even worse that the 504/IEP system is something to be gamed to get advantages like extra time on tests but not at the cost of “stigma”.

The Trump administration and his HHS secretary has made several statements indicating that they don't value kids with disabilities and want to segregate them from other children. This is unlikely to occur anytime soon and if it did it's not clear having or not having an IEP or 504 would matter one way or another so it seems unwise to deprive OP's child of services for this reason, but the concern itself is not unfounded nor is it grounded in a stigma on the part of OP against children with disabilities. Her child has a disability that you refuse to recognize. That's on you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has an actual disability and need, so this isn't something I've actually considered.

Many disabilities are not as apparent at younger ages when the academic and social demands are not as high.

My kid's were. He had an IEP from K to 11th grade, and a 504 in 12th grade. Currently successful in college, with accommodations, and right now has a summer job.

OP's question is ridiculous and borderline offensive. No one is rounding up kids with "labels", or stamping their Life File For Eternity Such That They Can't Get Jobs. As another poster said, this smacks of cold feet and denial.

Those of us whose kids could not function in school without services and accommodations are thankful that they exist, and plan to utilize them for as long as they're still offered.

I agree that it is highly unlikely that OP's child would be harmed by the Trump administration if they get an IEP or 504 plan, but it is not "offensive" to worry about this. Jfc

I get that you have a different situation on your household, but my child's or OP's child's situation is real and not an affront to you. We exist and have a right to exist.

it kind of is offensive though. I agree with PP.

Disagree. I assume posters on this forum, esp those new to navigating the educational services world, are genuinely asking for help. I try to offer it in the same spirit. We were all new once.

If you can’t say something nice…

These questions all imply that being one of “those” kids is something to be avoided or even worse that the 504/IEP system is something to be gamed to get advantages like extra time on tests but not at the cost of “stigma”.

The Trump administration and his HHS secretary has made several statements indicating that they don't value kids with disabilities and want to segregate them from other children. This is unlikely to occur anytime soon and if it did it's not clear having or not having an IEP or 504 would matter one way or another so it seems unwise to deprive OP's child of services for this reason, but the concern itself is not unfounded nor is it grounded in a stigma on the part of OP against children with disabilities. Her child has a disability that you refuse to recognize. That's on you.

The concern is totally unfounded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has an actual disability and need, so this isn't something I've actually considered.

Many disabilities are not as apparent at younger ages when the academic and social demands are not as high.

My kid's were. He had an IEP from K to 11th grade, and a 504 in 12th grade. Currently successful in college, with accommodations, and right now has a summer job.

OP's question is ridiculous and borderline offensive. No one is rounding up kids with "labels", or stamping their Life File For Eternity Such That They Can't Get Jobs. As another poster said, this smacks of cold feet and denial.

Those of us whose kids could not function in school without services and accommodations are thankful that they exist, and plan to utilize them for as long as they're still offered.

I agree that it is highly unlikely that OP's child would be harmed by the Trump administration if they get an IEP or 504 plan, but it is not "offensive" to worry about this. Jfc

I get that you have a different situation on your household, but my child's or OP's child's situation is real and not an affront to you. We exist and have a right to exist.

it kind of is offensive though. I agree with PP.

Disagree. I assume posters on this forum, esp those new to navigating the educational services world, are genuinely asking for help. I try to offer it in the same spirit. We were all new once.

If you can’t say something nice…

These questions all imply that being one of “those” kids is something to be avoided or even worse that the 504/IEP system is something to be gamed to get advantages like extra time on tests but not at the cost of “stigma”.

The Trump administration and his HHS secretary has made several statements indicating that they don't value kids with disabilities and want to segregate them from other children. This is unlikely to occur anytime soon and if it did it's not clear having or not having an IEP or 504 would matter one way or another so it seems unwise to deprive OP's child of services for this reason, but the concern itself is not unfounded nor is it grounded in a stigma on the part of OP against children with disabilities. Her child has a disability that you refuse to recognize. That's on you.

The concern is totally unfounded.

Whether it is unfounded or not, basically telling OP to piss off doesn’t do anyone any good. How would you have felt if someone dismissed you and your concerns when you were just starting out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has an actual disability and need, so this isn't something I've actually considered.

Many disabilities are not as apparent at younger ages when the academic and social demands are not as high.

My kid's were. He had an IEP from K to 11th grade, and a 504 in 12th grade. Currently successful in college, with accommodations, and right now has a summer job.

OP's question is ridiculous and borderline offensive. No one is rounding up kids with "labels", or stamping their Life File For Eternity Such That They Can't Get Jobs. As another poster said, this smacks of cold feet and denial.

Those of us whose kids could not function in school without services and accommodations are thankful that they exist, and plan to utilize them for as long as they're still offered.

I agree that it is highly unlikely that OP's child would be harmed by the Trump administration if they get an IEP or 504 plan, but it is not "offensive" to worry about this. Jfc

I get that you have a different situation on your household, but my child's or OP's child's situation is real and not an affront to you. We exist and have a right to exist.

it kind of is offensive though. I agree with PP.

Disagree. I assume posters on this forum, esp those new to navigating the educational services world, are genuinely asking for help. I try to offer it in the same spirit. We were all new once.

If you can’t say something nice…

I've been reading this forum for more than 15 years. We try to be supportive and helpful, but the landscape has changed recently. I reported posts that were deleted, that called people morons for thinking that we would still live in a democracy and that our SN kids would be flagged for ever. Clearly political trolling has found the SN forum.

OP's question is borderline, because those of us who are still rational can see that the political fear she's claiming to be operating under is overblown. And if it's not, and we are doomed to live in a world where having special needs will send kids to concentration camps, then WE WILL HAVE WORSE PROBLEMS TO DEAL WITH. That sort of extremism doesn't come on its own as a single policy, does it?

If OP doesn't want services right now, fine. Her kid is lucky not to need them at this time. But let's try to be rational about which risks are valid and which are not.

Let’s try to be rational and kind to one another. If we on this forum cannot be kind to one another then we are in trouble.

[Anonymous]

I would think get it now before there are new hoops to jump through. In my experience getting the IEP in place was time intensive and difficult. Once in place the annual updates are no big deal. If your child attends public school their info is probably already public. If yoi believe they need services, get it in place now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has an actual disability and need, so this isn't something I've actually considered.

Many disabilities are not as apparent at younger ages when the academic and social demands are not as high.

My kid's were. He had an IEP from K to 11th grade, and a 504 in 12th grade. Currently successful in college, with accommodations, and right now has a summer job.

OP's question is ridiculous and borderline offensive. No one is rounding up kids with "labels", or stamping their Life File For Eternity Such That They Can't Get Jobs. As another poster said, this smacks of cold feet and denial.

Those of us whose kids could not function in school without services and accommodations are thankful that they exist, and plan to utilize them for as long as they're still offered.

I agree that it is highly unlikely that OP's child would be harmed by the Trump administration if they get an IEP or 504 plan, but it is not "offensive" to worry about this. Jfc

I get that you have a different situation on your household, but my child's or OP's child's situation is real and not an affront to you. We exist and have a right to exist.

it kind of is offensive though. I agree with PP.

Disagree. I assume posters on this forum, esp those new to navigating the educational services world, are genuinely asking for help. I try to offer it in the same spirit. We were all new once.

If you can’t say something nice…

These questions all imply that being one of “those” kids is something to be avoided or even worse that the 504/IEP system is something to be gamed to get advantages like extra time on tests but not at the cost of “stigma”.

The Trump administration and his HHS secretary has made several statements indicating that they don't value kids with disabilities and want to segregate them from other children. This is unlikely to occur anytime soon and if it did it's not clear having or not having an IEP or 504 would matter one way or another so it seems unwise to deprive OP's child of services for this reason, but the concern itself is not unfounded nor is it grounded in a stigma on the part of OP against children with disabilities. Her child has a disability that you refuse to recognize. That's on you.

The concern is totally unfounded.

I wish I had your confidence. That’s what I said about shipping people to South Sudan just to get them out of the US, but that’s happening. I know not everything They say happens, but enough does that it’s concerning.

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure why you posted and don’t understand your concern. Your child doesn’t currently have a 504/IEP and is getting by with private services and you are okay with this. You are hesitant to pursue anything else. Correct?

So let it be. Don’t worry over issues you don’t have.

My kid had an IEP and we found we had to do everything on our own anyway. When we moved to private school, the things they put in place made it so we didn’t even tell them about the IEP. We kept the private tutoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why you posted and don’t understand your concern. Your child doesn’t currently have a 504/IEP and is getting by with private services and you are okay with this. You are hesitant to pursue anything else. Correct?

So let it be. Don’t worry over issues you don’t have.

My kid had an IEP and we found we had to do everything on our own anyway. When we moved to private school, the things they put in place made it so we didn’t even tell them about the IEP. We kept the private tutoring.

OP's child has just started in school. I am guessing the child just finished Prek-4 or kindergarten. At this age it is difficult to know what the needs will be, and many parents are in denial. At a minimum, a child with a diagnosis of a neurodevelopmental condition should have a 504 plan to give school staff a heads up about the child's specific needs. If the child qualifies for an IEP at this age, I am guessing they need services more than the parents realize.

I know several families whose kids have IEPs - all kids in general education classrooms - and they appreciate the services. IEPs are not designed to offer comprehensive support - they are there to allow the child to access the curriculum. Most children with IEPs also need support outside of school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why you posted and don’t understand your concern. Your child doesn’t currently have a 504/IEP and is getting by with private services and you are okay with this. You are hesitant to pursue anything else. Correct?

So let it be. Don’t worry over issues you don’t have.

My kid had an IEP and we found we had to do everything on our own anyway. When we moved to private school, the things they put in place made it so we didn’t even tell them about the IEP. We kept the private tutoring.

OP's child has just started in school. I am guessing the child just finished Prek-4 or kindergarten. At this age it is difficult to know what the needs will be, and many parents are in denial. At a minimum, a child with a diagnosis of a neurodevelopmental condition should have a 504 plan to give school staff a heads up about the child's specific needs. If the child qualifies for an IEP at this age, I am guessing they need services more than the parents realize.

I know several families whose kids have IEPs - all kids in general education classrooms - and they appreciate the services. IEPs are not designed to offer comprehensive support - they are there to allow the child to access the curriculum. Most children with IEPs also need support outside of school.

+1. Who are these people with IEPs who don’t need them. I am less than thrilled with implementation of our IEP but it is invaluable for the school to understand where my kid is coming from, to get appropriate class placements, and address issues as they come up (they always do).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has an actual disability and need, so this isn't something I've actually considered.

Many disabilities are not as apparent at younger ages when the academic and social demands are not as high.

My kid's were. He had an IEP from K to 11th grade, and a 504 in 12th grade. Currently successful in college, with accommodations, and right now has a summer job.

OP's question is ridiculous and borderline offensive. No one is rounding up kids with "labels", or stamping their Life File For Eternity Such That They Can't Get Jobs. As another poster said, this smacks of cold feet and denial.

Those of us whose kids could not function in school without services and accommodations are thankful that they exist, and plan to utilize them for as long as they're still offered.

I agree that it is highly unlikely that OP's child would be harmed by the Trump administration if they get an IEP or 504 plan, but it is not "offensive" to worry about this. Jfc

I get that you have a different situation on your household, but my child's or OP's child's situation is real and not an affront to you. We exist and have a right to exist.

it kind of is offensive though. I agree with PP.

Disagree. I assume posters on this forum, esp those new to navigating the educational services world, are genuinely asking for help. I try to offer it in the same spirit. We were all new once.

If you can’t say something nice…

These questions all imply that being one of “those” kids is something to be avoided or even worse that the 504/IEP system is something to be gamed to get advantages like extra time on tests but not at the cost of “stigma”.

The Trump administration and his HHS secretary has made several statements indicating that they don't value kids with disabilities and want to segregate them from other children. This is unlikely to occur anytime soon and if it did it's not clear having or not having an IEP or 504 would matter one way or another so it seems unwise to deprive OP's child of services for this reason, but the concern itself is not unfounded nor is it grounded in a stigma on the part of OP against children with disabilities. Her child has a disability that you refuse to recognize. That's on you.

The concern is totally unfounded.

I wish I had your confidence. That’s what I said about shipping people to South Sudan just to get them out of the US, but that’s happening. I know not everything They say happens, but enough does that it’s concerning.

My job is to raise my kid and partner with the school to educate him. Deciding not to access services because of immigration policy is kookoo and irresponsible. Besides his diagnosis is everywhere in his health data already.

[Anonymous]

OP’s child’s diagnosis isn’t in the system yet. OP does not indicate the child has or is liketto qualify for an IEP. OP doesn’t appear to be in denial.

Perhaps we can try to help OP, rather than jumping to conclusions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP’s child’s diagnosis isn’t in the system yet. OP does not indicate the child has or is liketto qualify for an IEP. OP doesn’t appear to be in denial.

Perhaps we can try to help OP, rather than jumping to conclusions.

I didn't say OP is in denial. But IF the child is 4 or 5 yo and is found eligible for an IEP, then the child very much needs it.

The child's diagnosis does exist in the health system. It does not exist in the school system. There are currently ways that diagnoses can limit opportunities - e.g. access to many private schools, pursuing a career as an airline pilot - and the IEP process won't change this one way or the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP’s child’s diagnosis isn’t in the system yet. OP does not indicate the child has or is liketto qualify for an IEP. OP doesn’t appear to be in denial.

Perhaps we can try to help OP, rather than jumping to conclusions.

Presumably OPs child has a diagnosis otherwise why is she considering an IEP? I definitely think denial is a possibility because normally a child’s needs are urgent so something as vague and frankly reaching as “the political climate” would never come into play or be a very distant factor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP’s child’s diagnosis isn’t in the system yet. OP does not indicate the child has or is liketto qualify for an IEP. OP doesn’t appear to be in denial.

Perhaps we can try to help OP, rather than jumping to conclusions.

Presumably OPs child has a diagnosis otherwise why is she considering an IEP? I definitely think denial is a possibility because normally a child’s needs are urgent so something as vague and frankly reaching as “the political climate” would never come into play or be a very distant factor.

OP posted once and posters have jumped all over them. Why? Is this the way we welcome parents new to the forum? Why assume they are in denial? Why even assume they know what an IEP is and the process for getting one?

They are asking for help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP’s child’s diagnosis isn’t in the system yet. OP does not indicate the child has or is liketto qualify for an IEP. OP doesn’t appear to be in denial.

Perhaps we can try to help OP, rather than jumping to conclusions.

Presumably OPs child has a diagnosis otherwise why is she considering an IEP? I definitely think denial is a possibility because normally a child’s needs are urgent so something as vague and frankly reaching as “the political climate” would never come into play or be a very distant factor.

OP posted once and posters have jumped all over them. Why? Is this the way we welcome parents new to the forum? Why assume they are in denial? Why even assume they know what an IEP is and the process for getting one?

They are asking for help.

They are asking for help and we are telling them - they are not making sense. They need to think this through better.