"No Mass Development on Mass Ave" signs

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Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

No one loves name-calling more than YIMBYs when someone dares disagree with them. They're particularly fond of calling people "r-tards" on social media. They're just really unpleasant people.

[Anonymous]

After Ice rips through the area, affordable housing will increase a lot.

[Anonymous]

We need more traffic on River Road and Mass Ave, and we need more overcrowded schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

No one loves name-calling more than YIMBYs when someone dares disagree with them. They're particularly fond of calling people "r-tards" on social media. They're just really unpleasant people.

When you have absolutely none of the facts on your side, just blatantly make stuff up.

Oh look, I can throw around completely unfounded and unsourced accusations too: No one loves pedophilia more than NIMBYs! They're particularly fond of having sex with children. Also NIMBYs did 9/11 and every time you stub your toe it's because a NIMBY put that table there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need more traffic on River Road and Mass Ave, and we need more overcrowded schools.

The NIMBY 101, overcrowded schools and traffic. Like clockwork.

It's not your property. It's a free country, people should do whatever they been fit with very few exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

Marylander here.
No way do I want to see up to FOUR!! residential units on a plot where CURRENTLY only a SFH was permitted.
Build this in your yard. Your neighbors' yards.
Many of us bought and live in SFH neighborhoods to do exactly that. We could have chosen to live adjacent to mix-use. Some do. Some do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

No one loves name-calling more than YIMBYs when someone dares disagree with them. They're particularly fond of calling people "r-tards" on social media. They're just really unpleasant people.

When you have absolutely none of the facts on your side, just blatantly make stuff up.

Oh look, I can throw around completely unfounded and unsourced accusations too: No one loves pedophilia more than NIMBYs! They're particularly fond of having sex with children. Also NIMBYs did 9/11 and every time you stub your toe it's because a NIMBY put that table there.

WTF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically, it's about developers and whatever they needed to do with regard to the council get their way and make some $. It's being spun as something else. Lots of buildings with vacancies along CT and Mass ave. So the justification is baffling. Just a money-making grab.

If there are lots of vacancies, smart developers won't want to build, since they will lose money. They tend to be pretty cautious about building only where there's enough demand to sell or rent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically, it's about developers and whatever they needed to do with regard to the council get their way and make some $. It's being spun as something else. Lots of buildings with vacancies along CT and Mass ave. So the justification is baffling. Just a money-making grab.

Why are these buildings vacant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

Marylander here.
No way do I want to see up to FOUR!! residential units on a plot where CURRENTLY only a SFH was permitted.
Build this in your yard. Your neighbors' yards.
Many of us bought and live in SFH neighborhoods to do exactly that. We could have chosen to live adjacent to mix-use. Some do. Some do not.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

Marylander here.
No way do I want to see up to FOUR!! residential units on a plot where CURRENTLY only a SFH was permitted.
Build this in your yard. Your neighbors' yards.
Many of us bought and live in SFH neighborhoods to do exactly that. We could have chosen to live adjacent to mix-use. Some do. Some do not.

+1

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

Marylander here.
No way do I want to see up to FOUR!! residential units on a plot where CURRENTLY only a SFH was permitted.
Build this in your yard. Your neighbors' yards.
Many of us bought and live in SFH neighborhoods to do exactly that. We could have chosen to live adjacent to mix-use. Some do. Some do not.

Umm you understand that there is no dark money plan to utilize eminent domain to acquire single family home lots and tear down the homes and replace them with duplexes and quads and in fact it will be up to you what to do with your land?

And you also hopefully realize lots of these homes are already being torn down and replaced with McMansions and this new law would simply enable the same homes to instead be replaced with duplexes and quadplexes that are no bigger than the McMansions permitted today?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need more traffic on River Road and Mass Ave, and we need more overcrowded schools.

This is such a dumb talking point.

New housing doesn't cause new people to materialize out of thin air.

We need new housing because our population is growing - in many cases because people have children who grow up and don't want to live at home.

So the folks who need housing who we keep out of our neighborhoods will still be here they will just buy housing further out in the suburbs and guess what - they will still drive on River Road and Mass Avenue they will just driver greater distances on those roads.

And Montgomery County will have to spend more money, not less, on all of the infra including schools to accommodate them.

But maybe you don't have kids or your kids will live in your home forever?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love that DC has single family homes and that people can live in a decent-sized space within the city. And that's across all the wards. It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

I love that DC has single family homes too, but do you know what I'd love even more? If people who owned single family zoned property were free to do whatever they wanted with the land that they own so that our massive housing shortage could be addressed.

The beauty of this plan is that literally everyone with a single family home who wants to keep their single family home can keep them. Your single family home can remain a single family home for as long as you live! The problem is that when people say "I love that DC has single family homes" they are not saying "I love that I can have a single family home," they are saying "I love that absolutely nobody who can't afford a single family home can gain a foothold in my neighborhood."

It's what makes DC DC. If you want to live in apartments, go to Crystal City or Washington Landing or whatever it's now called.

Two can play at that game. I love that DC has dense rowhouses and walkable neighborhoods. It's what makes DC DC. If you want a single family home and never ever want to see apartments buildings built in your line of view, go to Loudoun or Fauquier or wherever.

I grew up in a place where people can do whatever they want with their land. It is a hellscape called Houston. The reason that DC looks like it does is because of planning and zoning. Keep your laissez-faire for ugly cities built to accommodate cars, strip malls, and billboards.

Yes, Houston sucks. Good thing these zoning changes don't permit strip malls, commercial use, or anything like that. They only permit up to four residential units on a plot where previously only a SFH was permitted.

Oh, and I can't stress this enough . . . this is in Maryland, not DC, you nitwit.

Marylander here.
No way do I want to see up to FOUR!! residential units on a plot where CURRENTLY only a SFH was permitted.
Build this in your yard. Your neighbors' yards.
Many of us bought and live in SFH neighborhoods to do exactly that. We could have chosen to live adjacent to mix-use. Some do. Some do not.

This kind of hysteria really demonstrates how bereft of reason these objections are. First, neighborhoods change. There's no reason to encase them in amber. Second, the dreaded four-unit multi-unit building isn't going to be significantly (or any) larger than the large houses developers are putting up. Third, as another PP said, it isn't like all the houses on Mass Ave are getting razed for massive construction projects. If change happens, it will incremental. Fourth, much of the new construction will be a RDUs, rather than a 4-unit building. Fifth, you clearly don't know what "mixed-use" means.

It really does appear that the main objection in many neighborhoods (including mine) is that lots of current residents don't want to live too close to people who live in apartments, which means (charitably) "poor" people, or (less charitably) minorities.