loving Australia...it's so cheap!

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Anonymous wrote:How much were your plane tix OP?

$1700 each. We used miles +$1200 though to get upgraded to business class. Totally worth it.

So if you'd stayed home, you'd have saved all the money you spent getting there and back. The money evens out.

But she would be a lot poorer in the life experiences department.

Most white Americans who go to Australia are not really experiencing a whole lot that's new. Let's be honest.

Totally disagree.

Have you actually been there??

Yes. To NSW, VIC, and Tassie. I know how many Americans travel.

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Anonymous wrote:We always found hotels expensive in major areas but then we stay at Park Hyatt etc.

lol. “We choose expensive hotels that we find to be expensive.” Maybe you’re not as well-off as you’d like to think you are?

It was to contrast with reports of country being cheap. I can say 3000AUD is expensive. High priced. Doesn't mean unwilling yo pay it. Snark better.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been. We have good Australian friends. It’s basically the USA with kangaroos and funny accents. And yes they’re every bit as racist as we are historically and contemporarily. Think we treat undocumented immigrants poorly? They treat refugees like animals carrying fatal diseases.

I like Australians until they start criticizing Americans because every thing we do badly - and we do a lot of bad stuff - they do just as well.

Actually refugees are provided with a reasonably high level of government support in Australia. Illegal arrivals are an entirely different story.

I can understand how superficially, eg like when you are just visiting, it probably may seem pretty similar to the US. Of course, the coffee and food are much generally better though.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been. We have good Australian friends. It’s basically the USA with kangaroos and funny accents. And yes they’re every bit as racist as we are historically and contemporarily. Think we treat undocumented immigrants poorly? They treat refugees like animals carrying fatal diseases.

I like Australians until they start criticizing Americans because every thing we do badly - and we do a lot of bad stuff - they do just as well.

Actually refugees are provided with a reasonably high level of government support in Australia. Illegal arrivals are an entirely different story.

I can understand how superficially, eg like when you are just visiting, it probably may seem pretty similar to the US. Of course, the coffee and food are much generally better though.

These refugees and others would disagree with you:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2016/08/australia-abuse-neglect-of-refugees-on-nauru/

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been. We have good Australian friends. It’s basically the USA with kangaroos and funny accents. And yes they’re every bit as racist as we are historically and contemporarily. Think we treat undocumented immigrants poorly? They treat refugees like animals carrying fatal diseases.

I like Australians until they start criticizing Americans because every thing we do badly - and we do a lot of bad stuff - they do just as well.

Actually refugees are provided with a reasonably high level of government support in Australia. Illegal arrivals are an entirely different story.

I can understand how superficially, eg like when you are just visiting, it probably may seem pretty similar to the US. Of course, the coffee and food are much generally better though.

These refugees and others would disagree with you:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2016/08/australia-abuse-neglect-of-refugees-on-nauru/

I’m sure they would. Australia does not accept asylum seekers who arrive by boat. They are taken to offshore detention centres largely in the Pacific. It does, however, accept refugees primarily referred through the UNHCR.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you white? I'm not, and the racism stressed me out

That’s how we all feel in Japan but that doesn’t mean it’s not worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been. We have good Australian friends. It’s basically the USA with kangaroos and funny accents. And yes they’re every bit as racist as we are historically and contemporarily. Think we treat undocumented immigrants poorly? They treat refugees like animals carrying fatal diseases.

I like Australians until they start criticizing Americans because every thing we do badly - and we do a lot of bad stuff - they do just as well.

Actually refugees are provided with a reasonably high level of government support in Australia. Illegal arrivals are an entirely different story.

I can understand how superficially, eg like when you are just visiting, it probably may seem pretty similar to the US. Of course, the coffee and food are much generally better though.

These refugees and others would disagree with you:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2016/08/australia-abuse-neglect-of-refugees-on-nauru/

I’m sure they would. Australia does not accept asylum seekers who arrive by boat. They are taken to offshore detention centres largely in the Pacific. It does, however, accept refugees primarily referred through the UNHCR.

Ok, so you’re cool with Australia violating international law.

Got it.

Many of these people are asylum seekers, not refugees.

You’re not as smart as you think.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you white? I'm not, and the racism stressed me out

OMG Australians are the most racist people on Earth. I'm a white Hispanic with a very Midwestern accent, so I get to masquerade as a normal Midwestern American. I'm gob smacked by the things people say to me!! Like literally pick my jaw off the floor, because they think I'm a safe person to talk to.

If you get out of the urban or university town bubbles, America is just as racist, if not more so. I never had issues in Australia and I am not white.

Where do you think I got my Midwestern accent? It wasn't in a university town or an urban center. I actually spent 15 years in suburban Midwest- overland park, KS to be exact. Sure, some people are racist there (not actually that many), but they are way too polite to speak it to anyone out loud. Australians on the other hand just run their mouths freely with near strangers.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you white? I'm not, and the racism stressed me out

OMG Australians are the most racist people on Earth. I'm a white Hispanic with a very Midwestern accent, so I get to masquerade as a normal Midwestern American. I'm gob smacked by the things people say to me!! Like literally pick my jaw off the floor, because they think I'm a safe person to talk to.

If you get out of the urban or university town bubbles, America is just as racist, if not more so. I never had issues in Australia and I am not white.

Where do you think I got my Midwestern accent? It wasn't in a university town or an urban center. I actually spent 15 years in suburban Midwest- overland park, KS to be exact. Sure, some people are racist there (not actually that many), but they are way too polite to speak it to anyone out loud. Australians on the other hand just run their mouths freely with near strangers.

Australia’s history is just as racist and discriminatory - and as long - as the USA’s. To suggest that its past isn’t prologue is like saying the USA is no longer a racist nation because we once elected a black man as president. It’s simply not true.

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OP not sure math is your strong suit.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you white? I'm not, and the racism stressed me out

OMG Australians are the most racist people on Earth. I'm a white Hispanic with a very Midwestern accent, so I get to masquerade as a normal Midwestern American. I'm gob smacked by the things people say to me!! Like literally pick my jaw off the floor, because they think I'm a safe person to talk to.

If you get out of the urban or university town bubbles, America is just as racist, if not more so. I never had issues in Australia and I am not white.

Where do you think I got my Midwestern accent? It wasn't in a university town or an urban center. I actually spent 15 years in suburban Midwest- overland park, KS to be exact. Sure, some people are racist there (not actually that many), but they are way too polite to speak it to anyone out loud. Australians on the other hand just run their mouths freely with near strangers.

Australia’s history is just as racist and discriminatory - and as long - as the USA’s. To suggest that its past isn’t prologue is like saying the USA is no longer a racist nation because we once elected a black man as president. It’s simply not true.

How can it be as long? White colonists first came to the US in the 1600s. The first white prisoners did not arrive in Australia till 1788.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you white? I'm not, and the racism stressed me out

OMG Australians are the most racist people on Earth. I'm a white Hispanic with a very Midwestern accent, so I get to masquerade as a normal Midwestern American. I'm gob smacked by the things people say to me!! Like literally pick my jaw off the floor, because they think I'm a safe person to talk to.

If you get out of the urban or university town bubbles, America is just as racist, if not more so. I never had issues in Australia and I am not white.

Where do you think I got my Midwestern accent? It wasn't in a university town or an urban center. I actually spent 15 years in suburban Midwest- overland park, KS to be exact. Sure, some people are racist there (not actually that many), but they are way too polite to speak it to anyone out loud. Australians on the other hand just run their mouths freely with near strangers.

Australia’s history is just as racist and discriminatory - and as long - as the USA’s. To suggest that its past isn’t prologue is like saying the USA is no longer a racist nation because we once elected a black man as president. It’s simply not true.

How can it be as long? White colonists first came to the US in the 1600s. The first white prisoners did not arrive in Australia till 1788.

Forgive the hyperbole

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Anonymous wrote:Are you white? I'm not, and the racism stressed me out

OMG Australians are the most racist people on Earth. I'm a white Hispanic with a very Midwestern accent, so I get to masquerade as a normal Midwestern American. I'm gob smacked by the things people say to me!! Like literally pick my jaw off the floor, because they think I'm a safe person to talk to.

If you get out of the urban or university town bubbles, America is just as racist, if not more so. I never had issues in Australia and I am not white.

Where do you think I got my Midwestern accent? It wasn't in a university town or an urban center. I actually spent 15 years in suburban Midwest- overland park, KS to be exact. Sure, some people are racist there (not actually that many), but they are way too polite to speak it to anyone out loud. Australians on the other hand just run their mouths freely with near strangers.

Australia’s history is just as racist and discriminatory - and as long - as the USA’s. To suggest that its past isn’t prologue is like saying the USA is no longer a racist nation because we once elected a black man as president. It’s simply not true.

Let me be clear. Australia and US are both racist and have racist histories. My experience in both countries the US people are not so blatantly in your face racist as they are in Australia. Maybe I just met a bunch of lower class crass people (everywhere I went) when in was in Australia. In the US people know better than to openly make racist remarks in public. It seemed totally acceptable in Australia and everyone, except me, laughs.

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Anonymous wrote:That sounds like the same price for meals out we have here? Am I missing something?

I don't think so.

Prices vary a lot, but I usually spend 5-10 USD at restaurants in LatAm and SE Asia.