repeal OBAMA care and replacing it with Something better

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think they should produce “something better” before they repeal what we’ve got. I agree that Obamacare is far from perfect, but I think any program this large, produced by a government bureaucracy, will inherently have problems.

Meanwhile, do you remember what healthcare was like before Obamacare? If you had Healthcare at all (and many had no way to get it), you could still be refused coverage for pre-existing conditions or if you exceeded your lifetime maximum.

I’m all for something better, but Trump has been promising that since his first campaign and has yet to reveal it. Meanwhile, something is better than nothing, so simply repealing what we’ve got would be something worse.

Polls show that they were happier with their insurance and its cost pre Obamacare than they are now.

Citation? Yes the cost of plans has gone up like the cost of everything has gone up since 2010, but ask anyone who has been able to leave a job and start a business while still being able to have health insurance and they would prefer the current system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they should produce “something better” before they repeal what we’ve got. I agree that Obamacare is far from perfect, but I think any program this large, produced by a government bureaucracy, will inherently have problems.

Meanwhile, do you remember what healthcare was like before Obamacare? If you had Healthcare at all (and many had no way to get it), you could still be refused coverage for pre-existing conditions or if you exceeded your lifetime maximum.

I’m all for something better, but Trump has been promising that since his first campaign and has yet to reveal it. Meanwhile, something is better than nothing, so simply repealing what we’ve got would be something worse.

Polls show that they were happier with their insurance and its cost pre Obamacare than they are now.

Citation? Yes the cost of plans has gone up like the cost of everything has gone up since 2010, but ask anyone who has been able to leave a job and start a business while still being able to have health insurance and they would prefer the current system.

DP. While I think Obamacare was a small net improvement, it was really just a squeezing of the tube of toothpaste. That is we traded some problems with the system for other problems. For people that gained access to health care, it was an improvement, while for everyone else things have gotten a little worse.

The obvious way forward is some form of universal care, but that's never going to happen so long as money controls our politics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The something better is called single payer or universal.

Going back to what the US had with exclusions for pre-existing conditions would be a nightmare.

Yes, imagine that. People who work for a living would be paying for themselves and their family only and wouldn't be paying two and a half times in premiums as they do now after Obamacare to foot the bill for complete strangers.

Or imagine like pre ACA your family couldn't be insured due to a pre existing condition or paying 3x what you pay now for really limited coverage (no maternity, no hospital) because that was very common pre ACA.

Are you young? The insured have ALWAYS paid for the uninsured -- and when ACA goes await will get worse. Of course, if they pair it with hospitals being able to deny care for the uninsured, then maybe our prices will stabilize -- but do you want that on your conscience? Maybe you do, but I don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The something better is called single payer or universal.

Going back to what the US had with exclusions for pre-existing conditions would be a nightmare.

Yes, imagine that. People who work for a living would be paying for themselves and their family only and wouldn't be paying two and a half times in premiums as they do now after Obamacare to foot the bill for complete strangers.

Or imagine like pre ACA your family couldn't be insured due to a pre existing condition or paying 3x what you pay now for really limited coverage (no maternity, no hospital) because that was very common pre ACA.

Are you young? The insured have ALWAYS paid for the uninsured -- and when ACA goes await will get worse. Of course, if they pair it with hospitals being able to deny care for the uninsured, then maybe our prices will stabilize -- but do you want that on your conscience? Maybe you do, but I don't.

Sorry, my comments was meant for the PP before...

[Anonymous]

Since ACA is so much better, then there should be no objection to people being able to buy what they were getting before? If they want to buy worse more expensive plans, that is fine with you, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what happen with repealing Obama care?

I know they will release Trump health care plan soon, but haven't seen anything yet. Anything when either will happen? We only need 50 votes to repeal it so why aren't they voting?

LOL!!!!!! This is hilarious. God, I hope you're joking, but either way... Thanks for the laugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they should produce “something better” before they repeal what we’ve got. I agree that Obamacare is far from perfect, but I think any program this large, produced by a government bureaucracy, will inherently have problems.

Meanwhile, do you remember what healthcare was like before Obamacare? If you had Healthcare at all (and many had no way to get it), you could still be refused coverage for pre-existing conditions or if you exceeded your lifetime maximum.

I’m all for something better, but Trump has been promising that since his first campaign and has yet to reveal it. Meanwhile, something is better than nothing, so simply repealing what we’ve got would be something worse.

Polls show that they were happier with their insurance and its cost pre Obamacare than they are now.

Citation? Yes the cost of plans has gone up like the cost of everything has gone up since 2010, but ask anyone who has been able to leave a job and start a business while still being able to have health insurance and they would prefer the current system.

DP. While I think Obamacare was a small net improvement, it was really just a squeezing of the tube of toothpaste. That is we traded some problems with the system for other problems. For people that gained access to health care, it was an improvement, while for everyone else things have gotten a little worse.

The obvious way forward is some form of universal care, but that's never going to happen so long as money controls our politics.

"Risk Corridors" FTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The something better is called single payer or universal.

Going back to what the US had with exclusions for pre-existing conditions would be a nightmare.

Yes, imagine that. People who work for a living would be paying for themselves and their family only and wouldn't be paying two and a half times in premiums as they do now after Obamacare to foot the bill for complete strangers.

Or imagine like pre ACA your family couldn't be insured due to a pre existing condition or paying 3x what you pay now for really limited coverage (no maternity, no hospital) because that was very common pre ACA.

Why is that my problem? I pay for myself and that's it. I don't burden you and you don't burden me.

Enough with socializing every "human right" across the masses.

Why is the cr@p you want my problem?

I know you get something from this government. People who don't need aren't wasting time in this site.

Well i don't want to give it to you. Why are your problems my problems?

Why are the blue states turning in tax dollars for the red state grifters. Let them starve.

Agree. Next time there’s a hurricane or a tornado and red states are torn apart, let them figure it out. Need money? Up your income taxes. Not my problem. I want my money going toward strong public schools, healthcare, improving public transportation, improving access to services for the impoverished, and improving infrastructure here. I do not want to fund foreign wars. I do not want my money going to states that refuse to adequately tax their citizens and then look to us for handouts. Sorry!

I’d be fine with that. Something about Trump’s expensive parade — at the same time he was taking away benefits from veterans — made me hope that even some of the Trumpers would understand how limited and selfish this current administration is. If the red states don’t want “socialism” then let them support themselves. They wanted states’ rights, so let them have at it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they should produce “something better” before they repeal what we’ve got. I agree that Obamacare is far from perfect, but I think any program this large, produced by a government bureaucracy, will inherently have problems.

Meanwhile, do you remember what healthcare was like before Obamacare? If you had Healthcare at all (and many had no way to get it), you could still be refused coverage for pre-existing conditions or if you exceeded your lifetime maximum.

I’m all for something better, but Trump has been promising that since his first campaign and has yet to reveal it. Meanwhile, something is better than nothing, so simply repealing what we’ve got would be something worse.

Polls show that they were happier with their insurance and its cost pre Obamacare than they are now.

Citation? Yes the cost of plans has gone up like the cost of everything has gone up since 2010, but ask anyone who has been able to leave a job and start a business while still being able to have health insurance and they would prefer the current system.

DP. While I think Obamacare was a small net improvement, it was really just a squeezing of the tube of toothpaste. That is we traded some problems with the system for other problems. For people that gained access to health care, it was an improvement, while for everyone else things have gotten a little worse.

The obvious way forward is some form of universal care, but that's never going to happen so long as money controls our politics.

I think we need universal care — and platinum plans and concierge services for people who can and want to pay for them.