Do you think your top 20% kid in private schools would fare better if done in public, in terms of college outcomes

[Anonymous]

Colleges need full pay students and private school families are more likely to have that kind of cash.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, this is a coping mechanism of parents in private. My kid’s very good public school gets maybe one kid a year into Yale OR Harvard, some years none. The kid is generally extraordinary (this year, a single kid got in both: a musician winning *global competitions* with perfect grades and SAT scores). Meanwhile excellent kids not at that level get in from private, sometimes a few in a class. Schools take less impressive candidates from private all the time.

So your answer is yes, private schools do better with college placement, which was what op’s question was.

I think op was wondering if her kid would have maybe gotten into Harvard if coming from public, and I think that is highly unlikely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same unhooked kid.
They may get in what, Georgetown Cornell perhaps Duke or Williams, in private schools. Would they get in HYP if done in public?
Why, or why not?

They likely wouldn’t get into any of them from public, assuming the same socioeconomics. These are all harder from public. Williams takes one from our class of 409, at most, and about 30 apply.

Talk about not getting the point. The elite colleges have determined that the private schools in your area offer better qualified candidates.

I guess what I’m saying is I don’t think they are necessarily better qualified other than coming from school X. I think it’s harder from public for structural reasons: the sheer numbers in terms of competition in the class, differentiating yourself, teachers overloaded writing recommendation letters. Plus less of an assumption of full pay, even though many are full pay. These are factors I don’t think op is considering.

[Anonymous]

Well this thread got me to look closely at our public HS, which is Winston Churchill. I am amazed that 10% of those who shared on Instagram are going to top 20 schools. That's not as good as our private, but damn good for a public school. Honestly, my DD isn't interested in a cutthroat environment, so that rules out most of the T20, and I do think for her specific first choice college, she will definitely be better off coming out of her private school. Not one at Churchill got into the T20 school she is interested in.

Just for fun, these are the T20 matriculations from Churchill out of 323 students who posted:

Brown 2
Harvard 2
Penn 6
Princeton 3
Chicago 2
Cornell 3
Stanford 2
Hopkins 4
Yale 3
Cal 3
Northwestern 1

https://www.instagram.com/beyondthebulldog25/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well this thread got me to look closely at our public HS, which is Winston Churchill. I am amazed that 10% of those who shared on Instagram are going to top 20 schools. That's not as good as our private, but damn good for a public school. Honestly, my DD isn't interested in a cutthroat environment, so that rules out most of the T20, and I do think for her specific first choice college, she will definitely be better off coming out of her private school. Not one at Churchill got into the T20 school she is interested in.

Just for fun, these are the T20 matriculations from Churchill out of 323 students who posted:

Brown 2
Harvard 2
Penn 6
Princeton 3
Chicago 2
Cornell 3
Stanford 2
Hopkins 4
Yale 3
Cal 3
Northwestern 1

https://www.instagram.com/beyondthebulldog25/

Good results.
Not to put anyone down. but ...
Winston Churchill has 2,203 students in grades 9-12, so 540 students per grade.
T20 ratio is about 5.7%.

Ofc it's possible there are additional T20 admits not reporting on INS. but more likely than not T20 admits like/care to report.
Just saying..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges need full pay students and private school families are more likely to have that kind of cash.

+100.

Full pay has never hurt a college applicant. In this current environment of federal funding cuts and restrictions on international students, being full pay at any institution (yes, even Ivy+ universities) will be a hook.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges need full pay students and private school families are more likely to have that kind of cash.

+100.

Full pay has never hurt a college applicant. In this current environment of federal funding cuts and restrictions on international students, being full pay at any institution (yes, even Ivy+ universities) will be a hook.

The reality is, in a private high school, most of your competitors are full pay. In college admission, you are competing with your classmates, not competing with public school kids.

No, full pay is not a hook.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges need full pay students and private school families are more likely to have that kind of cash.

+100.

Full pay has never hurt a college applicant. In this current environment of federal funding cuts and restrictions on international students, being full pay at any institution (yes, even Ivy+ universities) will be a hook.

The reality is, in a private high school, most of your competitors are full pay. In college admission, you are competing with your classmates, not competing with public school kids.

No, full pay is not a hook.

It’s true that they’re competing against their classmates. However, while their private school classmates may be more likely to be full-pay, many of them may not have super high grades (3.9 to 4.0), test scores, and unique ECs. Private schools also tend to be smaller (75-125 students/grade) than public schools (500+/grade). So, full-pay, high stats private school students likely are competing with >5 (SLAC) to ~20 (Ivy+) legitimately competitive classmates, as opposed to a public school student who has 100 classmates graduating as valedictorians and salutatorians (or very close—with equally high test scores).

I would much rather be the full-pay elite private school student in this scenario. College matriculations for c/o 2025 Big 3/5 students support my position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges need full pay students and private school families are more likely to have that kind of cash.

+100.

Full pay has never hurt a college applicant. In this current environment of federal funding cuts and restrictions on international students, being full pay at any institution (yes, even Ivy+ universities) will be a hook.

The reality is, in a private high school, most of your competitors are full pay. In college admission, you are competing with your classmates, not competing with public school kids.

No, full pay is not a hook.

You do realize that not all private school families can afford to be full pay. Many are financial aid families. You must be in a public school setting because you don't understand the typical private school student body.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges need full pay students and private school families are more likely to have that kind of cash.

I don't know why you would conclude that about public school families attending Whitman, Churchill, or Langley. They haven't been spending nearly a million dollars in private school tuition over twelve years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges need full pay students and private school families are more likely to have that kind of cash.

+100.

Full pay has never hurt a college applicant. In this current environment of federal funding cuts and restrictions on international students, being full pay at any institution (yes, even Ivy+ universities) will be a hook.

The reality is, in a private high school, most of your competitors are full pay. In college admission, you are competing with your classmates, not competing with public school kids.

No, full pay is not a hook.

You do realize that not all private school families can afford to be full pay. Many are financial aid families. You must be in a public school setting because you don't understand the typical private school student body.

Very few.

40% families in our private high receive financial aid, but most of them are not eligible for financial aid in college.
Income as high as 300K can still get some financial aid (though little) in private high schools, but not in colleges.
Different standards.

[Anonymous]

What is the college standard?