60% increase in Food+Housing at Virginia Tech in 3-4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is just trying to stay competitive with UVA and W&M. Its America price equals prestige in the mind of many, especially the DCUM crowd.

Plus great food is one of the things that makes them stand out and JMU is knocking at the door to become VA’s third best public school.


Tech would be exactly on par with JMU if it weren’t for their engineering school.


VTs business school is world's better than JMU too.


JMU showed up in the top 20 among public schools in the WSJ list of highest incomes for graduates working in accounting and management consulting. VT only for management consulting.


VT also didn't show up in the top 20 for graduate salaries in technology, engineering, data science, or software development in the WSJ lists.


Yet WSJ ranked VA Tech #1 overall of all Virginia schools.


Let me see, pay levels of actual graduates vs a list put together to try to compete with USNWR.


UNSWR ranks VT ahead of W&M
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Anonymous wrote:VT is just trying to stay competitive with UVA and W&M. Its America price equals prestige in the mind of many, especially the DCUM crowd.

Plus great food is one of the things that makes them stand out and JMU is knocking at the door to become VA’s third best public school.


Tech would be exactly on par with JMU if it weren’t for their engineering school.


VTs business school is world's better than JMU too.


JMU showed up in the top 20 among public schools in the WSJ list of highest incomes for graduates working in accounting and management consulting. VT only for management consulting.


VT also didn't show up in the top 20 for graduate salaries in technology, engineering, data science, or software development in the WSJ lists.


Yet WSJ ranked VA Tech #1 overall of all Virginia schools.


Let me see, pay levels of actual graduates vs a list put together to try to compete with USNWR.


UNSWR ranks VT ahead of W&M


And for some stuff it is.
1. Engineering and related fields like CS (as W&M has no engineering school)
2. Other criteria that USNWR has decided are imporyant simply because they correlate with being a very large school.

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Anonymous wrote:Food is more expensive and they probably pay their dining hall and housekeeping staff far more than they did 3-4 years ago.


If they use the same national company as my kid's university, their union i negotiating a huge pay increase for its workers, way above what they should be paid for unskilled labor.


Thanks, are you seeing approx. similar price increases for food and housing at other colleges also over a similar timespan, ie 60%-ish increase over 3-4 years?


I can't find the information any longer, but they were striking loudly outside the dorms starting at 5AM every morning the last weeks of the semester an finals week, with drums, recorded bullhorn messages, air horns, bells, etc. It made for a really difficult finals week as all but one of the dining halls became cold food/grab and go only, and the kids could not study or sleep, so there was a lot of discussion on the parents groups. I recall the company offering a generous increase, but the employees wanted something much higher. For some reason $25/hour is stuck in my mind, plus a bunch of benefits, but I could be mistaken. It is a national food service company, the same one that does several Virginia universities.

I don't know what they settled on for the contract, but my kid did not mention strikes for spring finals, so perhaps the negotiations are finished. If they got what they wanted, and VT uses the same company, I am not surprised that food went up.
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Anonymous wrote:Are they building more dorms?

$10K is cheap for dorms. I think Mason is around $13,000, so $14,000 in a couple of years does not sound crazy.


Thats crazy mine are at ivies and pay less for dorms and they have singles


Sorry, that number was all in, dorm plus meal plan. I think it was around $6000.00 per semester.
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Anonymous wrote:Food is more expensive and they probably pay their dining hall and housekeeping staff far more than they did 3-4 years ago.


If they use the same national company as my kid's university, their union i negotiating a huge pay increase for its workers, way above what they should be paid for unskilled labor.


Thanks, are you seeing approx. similar price increases for food and housing at other colleges also over a similar timespan, ie 60%-ish increase over 3-4 years?


I can't find the information any longer, but they were striking loudly outside the dorms starting at 5AM every morning the last weeks of the semester an finals week, with drums, recorded bullhorn messages, air horns, bells, etc. It made for a really difficult finals week as all but one of the dining halls became cold food/grab and go only, and the kids could not study or sleep, so there was a lot of discussion on the parents groups. I recall the company offering a generous increase, but the employees wanted something much higher. For some reason $25/hour is stuck in my mind, plus a bunch of benefits, but I could be mistaken. It is a national food service company, the same one that does several Virginia universities.

I don't know what they settled on for the contract, but my kid did not mention strikes for spring finals, so perhaps the negotiations are finished. If they got what they wanted, and VT uses the same company, I am not surprised that food went up.


The conpany is Compass.

This is what the company offered. I can't find what the union wanted, but it was much more than the company offered.

"...negotiations between Compass and UNITE HERE Local 1 recently, the union did not vote on Compass’s most recent contract offer, which includes a 16% raise for associates, a back pay bonus, $7 per hour raises over the duration of the contract, 13 paid holidays, 10 paid sick days and an 80% increase in pension contributions..."

This is for the food service workers. If the cafeteria workers got more than this, I am sure dorm food contracts will increase everywhere.
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Anonymous wrote:VT is just trying to stay competitive with UVA and W&M. Its America price equals prestige in the mind of many, especially the DCUM crowd.

Plus great food is one of the things that makes them stand out and JMU is knocking at the door to become VA’s third best public school.


Tech would be exactly on par with JMU if it weren’t for their engineering school.


VTs business school is world's better than JMU too.


JMU showed up in the top 20 among public schools in the WSJ list of highest incomes for graduates working in accounting and management consulting. VT only for management consulting.


VT also didn't show up in the top 20 for graduate salaries in technology, engineering, data science, or software development in the WSJ lists.


Yet WSJ ranked VA Tech #1 overall of all Virginia schools.


Let me see, pay levels of actual graduates vs a list put together to try to compete with USNWR.


UNSWR ranks VT ahead of W&M


And for some stuff it is.
1. Engineering and related fields like CS (as W&M has no engineering school)
2. Other criteria that USNWR has decided are imporyant simply because they correlate with being a very good school.



DP. FIFY.
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Anonymous wrote:VT is just trying to stay competitive with UVA and W&M. Its America price equals prestige in the mind of many, especially the DCUM crowd.

Plus great food is one of the things that makes them stand out and JMU is knocking at the door to become VA’s third best public school.


Tech would be exactly on par with JMU if it weren’t for their engineering school.


VTs business school is world's better than JMU too.


JMU showed up in the top 20 among public schools in the WSJ list of highest incomes for graduates working in accounting and management consulting. VT only for management consulting.


VT also didn't show up in the top 20 for graduate salaries in technology, engineering, data science, or software development in the WSJ lists.


Yet WSJ ranked VA Tech #1 overall of all Virginia schools.


Let me see, pay levels of actual graduates vs a list put together to try to compete with USNWR.


UNSWR ranks VT ahead of W&M


And for some stuff it is.
1. Engineering and related fields like CS (as W&M has no engineering school)
2. Other criteria that USNWR has decided are imporyant simply because they correlate with being a very good school.



DP. FIFY.


New criteria gives 11% to Pell-Grant related criteria. An additional 5% also is based off of criteria related to those getting federal loans. If you are a recipient then yes it's an importnaCitt area to consider in picking a school, but if you are not then it's not particularly relevant to how good the school is.

Scoring of 6 year (!!) graduation rates based on whether they exceed expectations or not is 10%. Personally my goal for my kid is to graduate in 4 years - 5 TOPS. And it's a black and white question of whether they do or don't - giving plus points for doing better than expected at this generous timeline largely overlaps with the low-income factors addressed in the Pell Grant criteria.

Citatons and publications - typically higher for big universities that use lots of grad students to actually deal with undergrads rather than having the bulk of that fall to professors themselves - count for 4%

SAT scores on the other hand count for only 5%.

It's a ridiculous scoring system that is not actually focused on the quality of the school at this point.

I'm not saying Tech is a bad school. It has a great engineering school. And the rest of it is a good solid mid-tier education level. But it is not on par with UVA and W&M for anything outside the engineering school.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:VT is just trying to stay competitive with UVA and W&M. Its America price equals prestige in the mind of many, especially the DCUM crowd.

Plus great food is one of the things that makes them stand out and JMU is knocking at the door to become VA’s third best public school.


Tech would be exactly on par with JMU if it weren’t for their engineering school.


VTs business school is world's better than JMU too.


JMU showed up in the top 20 among public schools in the WSJ list of highest incomes for graduates working in accounting and management consulting. VT only for management consulting.


VT also didn't show up in the top 20 for graduate salaries in technology, engineering, data science, or software development in the WSJ lists.


Yet WSJ ranked VA Tech #1 overall of all Virginia schools.


Let me see, pay levels of actual graduates vs a list put together to try to compete with USNWR.


UNSWR ranks VT ahead of W&M


And for some stuff it is.
1. Engineering and related fields like CS (as W&M has no engineering school)
2. Other criteria that USNWR has decided are imporyant simply because they correlate with being a very good school.



DP. FIFY.


New criteria gives 11% to Pell-Grant related criteria. An additional 5% also is based off of criteria related to those getting federal loans. If you are a recipient then yes it's an importnaCitt area to consider in picking a school, but if you are not then it's not particularly relevant to how good the school is.

Scoring of 6 year (!!) graduation rates based on whether they exceed expectations or not is 10%. Personally my goal for my kid is to graduate in 4 years - 5 TOPS. And it's a black and white question of whether they do or don't - giving plus points for doing better than expected at this generous timeline largely overlaps with the low-income factors addressed in the Pell Grant criteria.

Citatons and publications - typically higher for big universities that use lots of grad students to actually deal with undergrads rather than having the bulk of that fall to professors themselves - count for 4%

SAT scores on the other hand count for only 5%.

It's a ridiculous scoring system that is not actually focused on the quality of the school at this point.

I'm not saying Tech is a bad school. It has a great engineering school. And the rest of it is a good solid mid-tier education level. But it is not on par with UVA and W&M for anything outside the engineering school.


You're certainly entitled to your opinion, even if you're sadly mistaken. It's an excellent school - and not just for engineering.
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VT is like luxury living and food compared to when I went there. It’s like a country club at colleges these days.
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Anonymous wrote:Was looking at cost of college, Virginia Tech in particular here: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=virginia+tech&s=all&id=233921#expenses

See image for VT further below, I'm used to seeing ever increasing price of college attendance but any idea why Food and Housing expenses went from $10.110 to $16.550, i.e. over 60% increase in matter of 3-4 years???



That is significant. What is it for UVA, JMU, W&M, etc.?
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Anonymous wrote:Was looking at cost of college, Virginia Tech in particular here: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=virginia+tech&s=all&id=233921#expenses

See image for VT further below, I'm used to seeing ever increasing price of college attendance but any idea why Food and Housing expenses went from $10.110 to $16.550, i.e. over 60% increase in matter of 3-4 years???



That is significant. What is it for UVA, JMU, W&M, etc.?


Here you go, increases over 3-4 years at UVA, JMU, W&M.

UVA 17%



JMU 13%



W&M 18%

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Anonymous wrote:Was looking at cost of college, Virginia Tech in particular here: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=virginia+tech&s=all&id=233921#expenses

See image for VT further below, I'm used to seeing ever increasing price of college attendance but any idea why Food and Housing expenses went from $10.110 to $16.550, i.e. over 60% increase in matter of 3-4 years???



That is significant. What is it for UVA, JMU, W&M, etc.?


Here you go, increases over 3-4 years at UVA, JMU, W&M.

UVA 17%



JMU 13%



W&M 18%



If this data is correct, VT went from least expensive to most expensive among these four in a short period of time.
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Anonymous wrote:VT is like luxury living and food compared to when I went there. It’s like a country club at colleges these days.


Lol,.this is true of the food, but many of the dorms are exactly the same
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VT is solidly Big 3
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Anonymous wrote:Was looking at cost of college, Virginia Tech in particular here: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=virginia+tech&s=all&id=233921#expenses

See image for VT further below, I'm used to seeing ever increasing price of college attendance but any idea why Food and Housing expenses went from $10.110 to $16.550, i.e. over 60% increase in matter of 3-4 years???



That is significant. What is it for UVA, JMU, W&M, etc.?


Here you go, increases over 3-4 years at UVA, JMU, W&M.

UVA 17%



JMU 13%



W&M 18%



If this data is correct, VT went from least expensive to most expensive among these four in a short period of time.


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