Is the MCPS "Climate Survey" just a racial demographics profile?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid's MCPS school is pushing hard for 90% of families to complete this survey, which I'd been ignoring. However, when I went to answer it, the only questions were about my kid's gender and race. It asks for my kid's school ID number too; it's not anonymous?

Does anyone know what the actual intention of this is? Given the political climate, it seems "sus" at best, and potentially dangerous.

If your school isn't nagging you to fill it out and/or you haven't seen it yet: https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/publicinfo/community/school-year-2024-2025/Community-Message-20250603.html

Your kid’s ID number tells them who to target if they don’t like your answers.


Exactly why I’m not completing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

Are you a member of either of the groups you are opining about?

DP: An immigrant experience is different from a native ADOS experience. Being from a relatively privileged family in one’s home country, leaving that country and culture, and seeking opportunities is different from a history that includes segregation and a minority experience. That’s just for starters.

And, yes, I’m a member of one of the groups that I’m opining about. I also have experience working in school settings, in multi-cultural settings, and doing social science research.

Chat, what's an African refugee? smdh

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

Are you a member of either of the groups you are opining about?

DP: An immigrant experience is different from a native ADOS experience. Being from a relatively privileged family in one’s home country, leaving that country and culture, and seeking opportunities is different from a history that includes segregation and a minority experience. That’s just for starters.

And, yes, I’m a member of one of the groups that I’m opining about. I also have experience working in school settings, in multi-cultural settings, and doing social science research.

Are you concerned about the attacks on students and teachers getting ignored?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

Black immigrants that are within a generation or so could have brought in lots of wealth. Black residents that are descendents of slaves don’t have this wealth. From redlining affecting where their families can own real estate to inter generational wealth and education opportunities these residents have very different experiences than African immigrants.

Even something as simple as an McPS ES Culture Night. Is my kid supposed to bring the stars and bars to show their ancestor was raped by the slave owner they share a last name with? An African immigrant gets to share the flag of where their grandparents currently live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

Black immigrants that are within a generation or so could have brought in lots of wealth. Black residents that are descendents of slaves don’t have this wealth. From redlining affecting where their families can own real estate to inter generational wealth and education opportunities these residents have very different experiences than African immigrants.

Even something as simple as an McPS ES Culture Night. Is my kid supposed to bring the stars and bars to show their ancestor was raped by the slave owner they share a last name with? An African immigrant gets to share the flag of where their grandparents currently live.

You are "supposed" to bring what you want to share that represents the way you live that's not the same as everyone else in the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

You're the moron who said "definitive".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

^^^This is one of the many reasons our schools are failing our kids. EVERY kid has “vastly different experiences” regardless of their skin tone or birth place.
Why not refocus on classroom safety and education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

Black immigrants that are within a generation or so could have brought in lots of wealth. Black residents that are descendents of slaves don’t have this wealth. From redlining affecting where their families can own real estate to inter generational wealth and education opportunities these residents have very different experiences than African immigrants.

Even something as simple as an McPS ES Culture Night. Is my kid supposed to bring the stars and bars to show their ancestor was raped by the slave owner they share a last name with? An African immigrant gets to share the flag of where their grandparents currently live.

Or we could have science fair night. Performing arts night. Math Olympiad night. The spelling bee. Plays. Musicals. Field day. Chorus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

Where did I say that the Black identity is "more definitive than economic status"? I merely stated that regardless of the differences in ADOS vs African immigrants, they both have to exist within the context of the U.S. under the category of the Black identity. And that comes with a certain set of limitations, discrimination, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

Black immigrants that are within a generation or so could have brought in lots of wealth. Black residents that are descendents of slaves don’t have this wealth. From redlining affecting where their families can own real estate to inter generational wealth and education opportunities these residents have very different experiences than African immigrants.

Even something as simple as an McPS ES Culture Night. Is my kid supposed to bring the stars and bars to show their ancestor was raped by the slave owner they share a last name with? An African immigrant gets to share the flag of where their grandparents currently live.

Or we could have science fair night. Performing arts night. Math Olympiad night. The spelling bee. Plays. Musicals. Field day. Chorus.

EDUCATION must be the PRIORITY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

Black immigrants that are within a generation or so could have brought in lots of wealth. Black residents that are descendents of slaves don’t have this wealth. From redlining affecting where their families can own real estate to inter generational wealth and education opportunities these residents have very different experiences than African immigrants.

Even something as simple as an McPS ES Culture Night. Is my kid supposed to bring the stars and bars to show their ancestor was raped by the slave owner they share a last name with? An African immigrant gets to share the flag of where their grandparents currently live.

Well you live in the USA now so you can share that

[Anonymous]

Past survey results: https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how specific the racial demographics will be in the results. I’ve long said that the experience of African American students is vastly different than a Nigerian or Ethiopian student. However, MCPS assumes everyone interprets their labels the same way. I think it would be helpful for MCPS to also aggregate the data based on a family’s immigration status and experience.

I would take issue with the word "vastly" different.

There are certainly differences and nuances in the experiences of an African-American students vs a child of African immigrants, but at the end of the day they still both fall under the umbrella of experiencing MCPS through the lens of the Black identity, so it's still important to assess and aggregate data at the broader race level of Black as well.

Why is the “black identity” more definitive than economic status when race is subjective but income is not?

Black immigrants that are within a generation or so could have brought in lots of wealth. Black residents that are descendents of slaves don’t have this wealth. From redlining affecting where their families can own real estate to inter generational wealth and education opportunities these residents have very different experiences than African immigrants.

Even something as simple as an McPS ES Culture Night. Is my kid supposed to bring the stars and bars to show their ancestor was raped by the slave owner they share a last name with? An African immigrant gets to share the flag of where their grandparents currently live.

Or we could have science fair night. Performing arts night. Math Olympiad night. The spelling bee. Plays. Musicals. Field day. Chorus.

We do have all of these.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Past survey results: https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

Do surveys help keep our children safer in school?