4th grade MAP M

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is compacted math ever an option to a highly gifted 3rd grader (instead of having to wait until 4th)?

No... Anyway, how "highly gifted"? ES and MAP? MAYBE, but PROBABLY NOT, but it depends


What do you mean ES and MAP?

Consistently 99th%ile on MAPM and 99th%ile on CogAt.


What is your RAW MAP-M score (no, 99% is NOT enough) and ES DC goes to?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why everyone wants harder math younger. Seriously (not being snarky), why?

- All ES kids whose academic trajectories are stable are bored in school sometimes. Some of them are bored most of the time.

- Putting younger kids directly into older kids' classes is a recipe for serious bullying. I have experienced this firsthand. No kid 'needs' more math badly enough to suffer for it.

- You probably can't get more than 1-2 years of post-BC calc math in no matter how you choreograph it anyway. So there's not going to be some massive college advantage because there are lots of kids in the same situation anyway.

- The number of kids who are genuinely curious and creative about mathematics is not the same as the number who can score reasonably high on tests.

- Acceleration and mastery are two different things. Going too fast at the lower levels when things seem easier can cause a lot of problems later. Test scores can't insulate against that.

- Wanting the best for your kid can easily make us parents assume that we have to negotiate and fight for things. Sometimes an equally productive course of action is to do what is in front of you thoroughly and well.


+1. Every kid does not need to be accelerated. I do wish they would find interest ways to engage advance students more like puzzles and brain teasers. But this race for more is not wise. Very few kids really love and engage with math and see patterns on a level that they need a bunch more early on. The kids that do need this, it’s pretty obvious.

OP, I don’t know your kid. But ask yourself is this a situation where you kid is just slight above some peers and will be fine with some enrichment, or is this a kid who could probably start Algebra or higher in ES.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is compacted math ever an option to a highly gifted 3rd grader (instead of having to wait until 4th)?


Yes it is. My DC told me about 2 student in his school now that are in 3rd grade who take compact math with the 4th graders.


You have to fight like hell for it. It's generally not worth it because there is very little new math between 5th grade and algebra, so it's easy for kids to jump to their appropriate level when they start middle school, regardless of ES class.
Anonymous
Just so you all can chill out, you should know that the tippy top math kids, who go to MIT and Stanford and win national contests, don't do any in school skipping (beyond regular CM) in ES. It really, really doesn't matter. It's impossible to learn a lot math only in school, and once you are learning math outside of school, the school math doesn't matter anymore.
This holds true until high school magent level.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Just so you all can chill out, you should know that the tippy top math kids, who go to MIT and Stanford and win national contests, don't do any in school skipping (beyond regular CM) in ES. It really, really doesn't matter. It's impossible to learn a lot math only in school, and once you are learning math outside of school, the school math doesn't matter anymore.
This holds true until high school magent level.


can I ask what the bolded means? are you referring to supplementing?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Just so you all can chill out, you should know that the tippy top math kids, who go to MIT and Stanford and win national contests, don't do any in school skipping (beyond regular CM) in ES. It really, really doesn't matter. It's impossible to learn a lot math only in school, and once you are learning math outside of school, the school math doesn't matter anymore.
This holds true until high school magent level.

AND there are tip top math kids that find their footing in HS and college and did no outside school things at all in ES and MS. There is little to no life advantage from doing Algebra in 5th grade versus 7th.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is compacted math ever an option to a highly gifted 3rd grader (instead of having to wait until 4th)?


Yes it is. My DC told me about 2 student in his school now that are in 3rd grade who take compact math with the 4th graders.


You have to fight like hell for it. It's generally not worth it because there is very little new math between 5th grade and algebra, so it's easy for kids to jump to their appropriate level when they start middle school, regardless of ES class.


There is definitely new math between 5th grade and Algebra. Further, it’s the depth of application, manipulation, and beginning to think abstractly that matters. Most kids are not “jumping” levels unless they were already above level or do some prep in the summer

Access your kids math aptitude and desire. Kids have to take math every year of HS.
Anonymous
What is the path of math?

Grade 4: compacted math 4/5
Grade 5: compacted math 5/6
Grade 6: pre-algebra?
Grade 7: algebra?
Grade 8: geometry
Grade 9 to Grade 12: calculus?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What is the path of math?

Grade 4: compacted math 4/5
Grade 5: compacted math 5/6
Grade 6: pre-algebra?
Grade 7: algebra?
Grade 8: geometry
Grade 9 to Grade 12: calculus?

This seemed to be the most current PDF I could easily find https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/curriculum/math/montgomery-county-public-schools_-prek-12-mathematics-program---google-docs.pdf

the standard advanced track would be
grade 9: honors algebra 2
grade 10: AP/honors pre-calc
grade 11: Calculus BC
grade 12: AP stats

At Poolesville/Blair SMCS they have a more advanced pathway that puts some kids into Calc BC in 10th with further advanced classes like MVC and Linear algebra. From my experience there were no kids above that path so capable math kids were all in Functions in 9th regardless of whether they had taken Alg 2 or not.

At my home HS they do not offer MVC and most kids on the advanced track drop down to Calc AB for regular Calc in 11th which makes you wonder why they were accelerated.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the path of math?

Grade 4: compacted math 4/5
Grade 5: compacted math 5/6
Grade 6: pre-algebra?
Grade 7: algebra?
Grade 8: geometry
Grade 9 to Grade 12: calculus?

This seemed to be the most current PDF I could easily find https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/curriculum/math/montgomery-county-public-schools_-prek-12-mathematics-program---google-docs.pdf

the standard advanced track would be
grade 9: honors algebra 2
grade 10: AP/honors pre-calc
grade 11: Calculus BC
grade 12: AP stats

At Poolesville/Blair SMCS they have a more advanced pathway that puts some kids into Calc BC in 10th with further advanced classes like MVC and Linear algebra. From my experience there were no kids above that path so capable math kids were all in Functions in 9th regardless of whether they had taken Alg 2 or not.

At my home HS they do not offer MVC and most kids on the advanced track drop down to Calc AB for regular Calc in 11th which makes you wonder why they were accelerated.


Because many of the same kids who find math challenging by the time they hit Calc in HS found the standard curriculum much too slow and simple when in ES/MS, and lilely would have turned off from the subject entirely as a result if acceleration/enrichment were not available.
Anonymous
Just curious what is the possible.highest MAP M score for a 4th grader (assume they did the 2-5 database)?


Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is compacted math ever an option to a highly gifted 3rd grader (instead of having to wait until 4th)?

No... Anyway, how "highly gifted"? ES and MAP? MAYBE, but PROBABLY NOT, but it depends


What do you mean ES and MAP?

Consistently 99th%ile on MAPM and 99th%ile on CogAt.


What is your RAW MAP-M score (no, 99% is NOT enough) and ES DC goes to?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the path of math?

Grade 4: compacted math 4/5
Grade 5: compacted math 5/6
Grade 6: pre-algebra?
Grade 7: algebra?
Grade 8: geometry
Grade 9 to Grade 12: calculus?

This seemed to be the most current PDF I could easily find https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/curriculum/math/montgomery-county-public-schools_-prek-12-mathematics-program---google-docs.pdf

the standard advanced track would be
grade 9: honors algebra 2
grade 10: AP/honors pre-calc
grade 11: Calculus BC
grade 12: AP stats

At Poolesville/Blair SMCS they have a more advanced pathway that puts some kids into Calc BC in 10th with further advanced classes like MVC and Linear algebra. From my experience there were no kids above that path so capable math kids were all in Functions in 9th regardless of whether they had taken Alg 2 or not.

At my home HS they do not offer MVC and most kids on the advanced track drop down to Calc AB for regular Calc in 11th which makes you wonder why they were accelerated.


Because many of the same kids who find math challenging by the time they hit Calc in HS found the standard curriculum much too slow and simple when in ES/MS, and lilely would have turned off from the subject entirely as a result if acceleration/enrichment were not available.

That's life to learn to deal with a little boredom
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:(From a student who did Alg 1 in 6th, got 250s in 2nd grade, 270s in 4th grade, and STILL took 5/6 in 5th with all the "normal" kids)

Seriously, when will "Alg 1 in 1st?" be a thing at this rate...


Odd comment. This is how math is taught in the countries with which we are competing.
Anonymous
I wish there is more info regarding the correlation between the MAP-M score and the math grade level (common core). However it seems to me that either the Math teachers are forbidden to inform parents, or even the schools do not know...


Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:(From a student who did Alg 1 in 6th, got 250s in 2nd grade, 270s in 4th grade, and STILL took 5/6 in 5th with all the "normal" kids)

Seriously, when will "Alg 1 in 1st?" be a thing at this rate...


Odd comment. This is how math is taught in the countries with which we are competing.
Anonymous
I believe a lot of SMCS kids completed A2 before 9th grade, so the Math Path for them will be

Grade 9: honor Pre-cal
Grade 10: Cal AB
Grade 11: Cal BC
Grade 12: Multi variable Cal or AP Statistics

For some math geneious they can even skip Cal AB and directly take Cal BC at grade 10, then multi variable cal and AP statistics at grade 11 and 12.



Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the path of math?

Grade 4: compacted math 4/5
Grade 5: compacted math 5/6
Grade 6: pre-algebra?
Grade 7: algebra?
Grade 8: geometry
Grade 9 to Grade 12: calculus?

This seemed to be the most current PDF I could easily find https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/curriculum/math/montgomery-county-public-schools_-prek-12-mathematics-program---google-docs.pdf

the standard advanced track would be
grade 9: honors algebra 2
grade 10: AP/honors pre-calc
grade 11: Calculus BC
grade 12: AP stats

At Poolesville/Blair SMCS they have a more advanced pathway that puts some kids into Calc BC in 10th with further advanced classes like MVC and Linear algebra. From my experience there were no kids above that path so capable math kids were all in Functions in 9th regardless of whether they had taken Alg 2 or not.

At my home HS they do not offer MVC and most kids on the advanced track drop down to Calc AB for regular Calc in 11th which makes you wonder why they were accelerated.


Because many of the same kids who find math challenging by the time they hit Calc in HS found the standard curriculum much too slow and simple when in ES/MS, and lilely would have turned off from the subject entirely as a result if acceleration/enrichment were not available.
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