Trump cutting NSF grantmaking 50%

[Anonymous]

They also introduced the same 50% overhead cap that the NIH got suspended a month or two ago

[Anonymous]

NSF Research Divisions being abolished, presumably to facilitate MAGA control of funding.
https://www.science.org/content/article/exclusive-nsf-faces-radical-shake-officials-abolish-its-37-divisions

[Anonymous]

These people don’t want science , they want computer blip-bloops and shiny objects

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These people don’t want science , they want computer blip-bloops and shiny objects

They do not understand the relationship between a first rate economy and leadership in science. They think shiny hotels and gyms will keep us again of the Chinese, who are pouring money into new materials, machine learning, and fundamental science. Hope every young person interested in science is learning Chinese.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.

The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.

just amazing how the elites twist the truth.

Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. -> this is a GOOD THING!!!!

importing millions of cheap MS and PhD candidates cheapens our own MS and PhD candidates.


Reduce PH.D Salaries

https://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies.

"Upcoming labor market shortages will devastate Science and Engineering.

This was a mantra heard through much of the 1980s. And yet, the predicted “seller’s market” for talent never materialized as unemployment rates actually spiked for newly minted PhDs in technical fields. In fact, most US economists seemed to think that the very idea of labor market shortages hardly made sense in a market economy since wages could simply rise to attract more entrants. Yet we have had workers visas for over 34 years to alleviate mythical worker shortages.

In the late nineties, in the course of research into immigration, I became convinced that our US high skilled immigration policy simply did not add up intellectually. As I studied the situation, it became increasingly clear that the groups purporting to speak for US scientists in Washington DC (e.g. NSF, NAS, AAU, GUIRR) actually viewed themselves as advocates for employers in a labor dispute with working scientists and were focused on undermining scientists’ economic bargaining power through labor market intervention and manipulation.

Increasingly the research seemed to show that interventions by government, universities and industry in the US labor market for scientists, especially after the University system stopped growing organically in the early 1970s were exceedingly problematic. By 1998, it was becoming obvious that the real problems of high skilled immigration were actually rather well understood by an entire class of policy actors who were not forthcoming about the levers of policy they were using to influence policy. The NSF/NAS/GUIRR complex appeared to be feigning incompetence by issuing labor market studies that blatantly ignored wages and market dynamics and instead focused on demographics alone.



During the late 1990s I became convinced that in order to orchestrate lower wages for scientists, there would have to have been a competent economic study done to guide the curious policy choices that had resulted in the flooded market for STEM PhDs. For this theory to be correct, the private economic study would have had to have been done studying both supply and demand so that the demand piece could later be removed, resulting in the bizarre ‘supply only’ demographic studies released to the public. Through a bit of economic detective work, I began a painstaking search of the literature and discovered just such a study immediately preceded the release of the foolish demography studies that provided the public justification for the Immigration Act of 1990. This needle was located in the haystack of documents the NSF was forced to turn over when the House investigated the NSF for faking alarms about a shortfall.

The title of this study was “The Pipeline For Scientific and Technical Personnel: Past Lessons Applied to Future Changes of Interest to Policy-Makers and Human Resource Specialists.” The study was undated and carried no author’s name. Eventually I gathered my courage to call up the National Science Foundation and demand to speak to the study’s author. After some hemming and hawing, I was put through to a voice belonging to a man I had never heard of named Myles Boylan. In our conversation, it became clear that it was produced in 1986, as predicted, immediately before the infamous and now disgraced demographic shortfall studies.

The author turned out, again as predicted, not to be a demographer, but a highly competent Ph.D. in economics who was fully aware of the functioning of the wage mechanism. But, as the study makes clear, the problem being solved was not a problem of talent but one of price: scientific employers had become alarmed that they would have to pay competitive market wages to US Ph.D.s with other options…..

Is this from ChatGPT? Why do you think anyone is going to read something so long and dry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump cutting NSF grantmaking 50%

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/02/nx-s1-5371720/national-science-foundation-budget-grant-cuts-turmoil


"The White House's budget request for 2026 says that it "cuts funding for: climate; clean energy; woke social, behavioral, and economic sciences; and programs in low priority areas of science."


He wants to poison the air and water.

Well I am shocked .....he hates America-he hates people in general. This was him being bought by evil people-they give him the stay out of jail card-he signs in whatever they want. If you voted for this because you thought it would be better than the black woman-please go back to school and get an education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.

The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.

Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.

China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.

And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.

The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.

Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.

China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.

And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.

The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.

Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.

China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.

And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,

When I worked at a University (STEM field) it was difficult to find US born grad students and post docs, especially ones who were actually qualified to do innovative work. Hopefully it’s different today, but I suspect that if we relied exclusively on US born scientists, we’d end up well behind the curve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.

The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.

Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.

China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.

And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,

So the solution is
* cut funding to science by 50%
* raise the price of scientific employees

result: brain drain to China where they actually have enough money to buy equipment to do science and have a large enough team to do it.

that is the solution you want?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am surprised this is not getting more attention here. Most probably have never heard of the NSF? Founded in 1950. If our president has its way, it will essentially be wiped out. Our universities will be second (or third) rate, if that.

The bigger economic impact will be loss of talent coming to the US to study. Foreign (and domestic) MS and PhD candidates will be turned away for lack of funds. We’ve benefited enormously by attracting the world’s top talent. Now we get to experience brain drain just like Russia.

Most are from China and India and many of them steal IP and cause significant harm to US economic and national security concerns.

China is already announcing missiles capable of penetrating US missiles defense system made possible by advanced technology stolen by Chinese doctoral students.

And India is rapidly becoming another version of China with stolen technologies. We do not want another version of China in india,,

So the solution is
* cut funding to science by 50%
* raise the price of scientific employees

result: brain drain to China where they actually have enough money to buy equipment to do science and have a large enough team to do it.

that is the solution you want?

We should ban ALL foreign students from China and India.

[Anonymous]

China steals out technology and research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:China steals out technology and research.

And we've made it easier because now US people who want to do science will have to go to China

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:China steals out technology and research.

And we've made it easier because now US people who want to do science will have to go to China

Let them stay there permanently since they love China so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:China steals out technology and research.

And we've made it easier because now US people who want to do science will have to go to China

Let them stay there permanently since they love China so much.

yep. And China will be the new USA. And the US will be the new afganistan.