The question no one is asking: SHOULD there be manufacturing in the US?

[Anonymous]

Why wouldn't we want to be a sustainable country? Why wouldn't we want to be able to provide for ourselves? Do you think the world experiences less pollution just because manufacturing is in another part of the world?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be manufacturing, absolutely, but it should be for things critical to the country as evidenced by shortages due to supply chain issues related to COVID and to things where it simply makes economic sense to produce in country. Shoes are not something that requires a skilled workforce and doesn't pay a lot because consumers demand lower prices, and as such, no need to onshore those jobs, for example.

It isn't critical until it is. If a producer starts squeezing us because they have leverage or a war breaks out, of course you want to have some manufacturing stateside.

Do you ever see beyond the end of your nose? Did you see what Russia did to Europe with heating oil and gas sales and what we went thru with the Arab oil embargo of the 70's?

Do you think the lithium and other materials and components for batteries for your EV comes from Detroit or Los Angeles? Well no, it doesn't.

Where the hell do you think the plastic dashboard for your car comes from? Petroleum.

Why does everything have to be "critical" with shortages before you act? Do you take in to consideration the ramp up time to produce once it becomes critical?

People on DCUM are so short-sighted, stupid and long-term self destructive.

The question isn't whether we should, it's the types of items we should manufacture here. We don't have all of the critical minerals we need here. There are some, but people don't want to live near a lithium mine. We don't want to live in polluted cities.

[Anonymous]

There is already manufacturing in the US, we make cars, parts for construction and infrastructure, defense industry projects, and also food processing. Our “manufacturing” jobs now have been replaced by the warehouse fulfillment jobs in some areas. Bringing some manufacturing back would be great, but I doubt we will be getting clothing and other trinkets as even with the tariffs these goods will be much cheaper to the American consumer than ones manufactured here. Plus we simply fell behind on our ability to create consumer products.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't we want to be a sustainable country? Why wouldn't we want to be able to provide for ourselves? Do you think the world experiences less pollution just because manufacturing is in another part of the world?

We are not the most innovative. So we can't get the best made items b/c we are forced to buy stuff from the US? Do you travel? Our stuff sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be manufacturing, absolutely, but it should be for things critical to the country as evidenced by shortages due to supply chain issues related to COVID and to things where it simply makes economic sense to produce in country. Shoes are not something that requires a skilled workforce and doesn't pay a lot because consumers demand lower prices, and as such, no need to onshore those jobs, for example.

It isn't critical until it is. If a producer starts squeezing us because they have leverage or a war breaks out, of course you want to have some manufacturing stateside.

Do you ever see beyond the end of your nose? Did you see what Russia did to Europe with heating oil and gas sales and what we went thru with the Arab oil embargo of the 70's?

Do you think the lithium and other materials and components for batteries for your EV comes from Detroit or Los Angeles? Well no, it doesn't.

Where the hell do you think the plastic dashboard for your car comes from? Petroleum.

Why does everything have to be "critical" with shortages before you act? Do you take in to consideration the ramp up time to produce once it becomes critical?

People on DCUM are so short-sighted, stupid and long-term self destructive.

The question isn't whether we should, it's the types of items we should manufacture here. We don't have all of the critical minerals we need here. There are some, but people don't want to live near a lithium mine. We don't want to live in polluted cities.

Do you want EVs or not? because you can't have everything. Got it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:self sufficency
quality control
better polution standards in US than overseas
Strengthening the US
Price

Is this question that stupid? Its like you're 18 and have never been in the real world. Producing our goods overseas isnt better than producing goods in the US.

I question the education of people here

We DON'T manufacture. No one wants those jobs. And I grew up in the rust belt where factory work was where all my uneducated (in an academic sense) ancestors worked. Those factories are no longer there and they all transitioned to other jobs.

Further, this is a GLOBAL economy. The idea that any nation can be as isolationist as Trump is being right now is ridiculous.

There is another uncomfortable reality that is going unmentioned, too. Most high schoolers today are quite frankly too stupid to work in a factory.

Do you really think the children of the typical DCUM parents here could be trusted to operate hydraulic presses stamping out car body panels or assembling aircraft for Boeing or Lockheed Martin or using injection molding machines to make a variety of common items? Most kids today are morons. That includes the kids of most of you reading this. The ONLY option your kids have is to go to college and get some white collar job where they won’t endanger themselves or anyone else. They can’t be trusted to build or create anything. They’ll cut their hand off or get themselves killed somehow, or they’ll screw up some other way. The only safe choice they have is go to college and then get an office job.

We’ve gone to the opposite extreme in this county in just 3 generations. Factory jobs were once seen as dead end low paying jobs for dummies. Now the current generation of youth are too stupid to be able to do factory work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:self sufficency
quality control
better polution standards in US than overseas
Strengthening the US
Price

Is this question that stupid? Its like you're 18 and have never been in the real world. Producing our goods overseas isnt better than producing goods in the US.

I question the education of people here

We DON'T manufacture. No one wants those jobs. And I grew up in the rust belt where factory work was where all my uneducated (in an academic sense) ancestors worked. Those factories are no longer there and they all transitioned to other jobs.

Further, this is a GLOBAL economy. The idea that any nation can be as isolationist as Trump is being right now is ridiculous.

There is another uncomfortable reality that is going unmentioned, too. Most high schoolers today are quite frankly too stupid to work in a factory.

Do you really think the children of the typical DCUM parents here could be trusted to operate hydraulic presses stamping out car body panels or assembling aircraft for Boeing or Lockheed Martin or using injection molding machines to make a variety of common items? Most kids today are morons. That includes the kids of most of you reading this. The ONLY option your kids have is to go to college and get some white collar job where they won’t endanger themselves or anyone else. They can’t be trusted to build or create anything. They’ll cut their hand off or get themselves killed somehow, or they’ll screw up some other way. The only safe choice they have is go to college and then get an office job.

We’ve gone to the opposite extreme in this county in just 3 generations. Factory jobs were once seen as dead end low paying jobs for dummies. Now the current generation of youth are too stupid to be able to do factory work.

Yeah, first rule of plumbing. ''it flows down hill. You can see this paradigm in many industries. It's especially prevalent in tech where you have layers upon layers of managers, while the lowly coders are getting all of the work done and are likely the most intelligent of the bunch. Why do you think the Techies have to be on the indentured servant plan? Because the smart kids got up and walked off. But that is the way all the trust fund kids like it.

Though to be fair, I could have gone in into Chemical Engineering or Chemistry. Knowing what I know about industry and the way business works. I'm glad I steered clear of that stuff. You'd have to have a PhD just to read the chemical safety sheet. Let the trust fund kids play with their chemicals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:self sufficency
quality control
better polution standards in US than overseas
Strengthening the US
Price

Is this question that stupid? Its like you're 18 and have never been in the real world. Producing our goods overseas isnt better than producing goods in the US.

I question the education of people here

We DON'T manufacture. No one wants those jobs. And I grew up in the rust belt where factory work was where all my uneducated (in an academic sense) ancestors worked. Those factories are no longer there and they all transitioned to other jobs.

Further, this is a GLOBAL economy. The idea that any nation can be as isolationist as Trump is being right now is ridiculous.

There is another uncomfortable reality that is going unmentioned, too. Most high schoolers today are quite frankly too stupid to work in a factory.

Do you really think the children of the typical DCUM parents here could be trusted to operate hydraulic presses stamping out car body panels or assembling aircraft for Boeing or Lockheed Martin or using injection molding machines to make a variety of common items? Most kids today are morons. That includes the kids of most of you reading this. The ONLY option your kids have is to go to college and get some white collar job where they won’t endanger themselves or anyone else. They can’t be trusted to build or create anything. They’ll cut their hand off or get themselves killed somehow, or they’ll screw up some other way. The only safe choice they have is go to college and then get an office job.

We’ve gone to the opposite extreme in this county in just 3 generations. Factory jobs were once seen as dead end low paying jobs for dummies. Now the current generation of youth are too stupid to be able to do factory work.

Yeah, first rule of plumbing. ''it flows down hill. You can see this paradigm in many industries. It's especially prevalent in tech where you have layers upon layers of managers, while the lowly coders are getting all of the work done and are likely the most intelligent of the bunch. Why do you think the Techies have to be on the indentured servant plan? Because the smart kids got up and walked off. But that is the way all the trust fund kids like it.

Though to be fair, I could have gone in into Chemical Engineering or Chemistry. Knowing what I know about industry and the way business works. I'm glad I steered clear of that stuff. You'd have to have a PhD just to read the chemical safety sheet. Let the trust fund kids play with their chemicals.

The problem is we’re raising an entire generation of kids destined for finance jobs. But none of them could even assemble the desk they’ll sit at where they’ll manage hedge funds full of their parent’s retirement.

That’s how we got into this entire mess to start with. Two previous generations of doing what the MBA’s thought was best - for MBA’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quality control is a hilarious response. There will be no more quality control in the US under Trump.

Well, no.

Pharma companies and others will have to hire whole departments to do quality control if they want anyone to purchase their products. If they don't want to kill people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't we want to be a sustainable country? Why wouldn't we want to be able to provide for ourselves? Do you think the world experiences less pollution just because manufacturing is in another part of the world?

No one is stopping you or your kids from working in a factory. Stop posting and go get a job manufacturing something. There is a shortage of people willing to work those jobs here in the US. I am glad you will give up you current office job for it.

[Anonymous]

I am opposed to making America a manufacturing success again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be manufacturing, absolutely, but it should be for things critical to the country as evidenced by shortages due to supply chain issues related to COVID and to things where it simply makes economic sense to produce in country. Shoes are not something that requires a skilled workforce and doesn't pay a lot because consumers demand lower prices, and as such, no need to onshore those jobs, for example.

Like toilet paper? Heck TP is made in the good old USA and we couldn’t even get that one right! People were using copies of the post just like our great GPs used back in the day.

Leave the manufacturing to the pros.

U.S. companies making toilet paper get most of the pulp from Canada.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't we want to be a sustainable country? Why wouldn't we want to be able to provide for ourselves? Do you think the world experiences less pollution just because manufacturing is in another part of the world?

We are not the most innovative. So we can't get the best made items b/c we are forced to buy stuff from the US? Do you travel? Our stuff sucks.

Yes, after we started importing cheap clothes. We had better quality once upon a time and not so long ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:self sufficency
quality control
better polution standards in US than overseas
Strengthening the US
Price

Is this question that stupid? Its like you're 18 and have never been in the real world. Producing our goods overseas isnt better than producing goods in the US.

I question the education of people here

We DON'T manufacture. No one wants those jobs. And I grew up in the rust belt where factory work was where all my uneducated (in an academic sense) ancestors worked. Those factories are no longer there and they all transitioned to other jobs.

Further, this is a GLOBAL economy. The idea that any nation can be as isolationist as Trump is being right now is ridiculous.

There is another uncomfortable reality that is going unmentioned, too. Most high schoolers today are quite frankly too stupid to work in a factory.

Do you really think the children of the typical DCUM parents here could be trusted to operate hydraulic presses stamping out car body panels or assembling aircraft for Boeing or Lockheed Martin or using injection molding machines to make a variety of common items? Most kids today are morons. That includes the kids of most of you reading this. The ONLY option your kids have is to go to college and get some white collar job where they won’t endanger themselves or anyone else. They can’t be trusted to build or create anything. They’ll cut their hand off or get themselves killed somehow, or they’ll screw up some other way. The only safe choice they have is go to college and then get an office job.

We’ve gone to the opposite extreme in this county in just 3 generations. Factory jobs were once seen as dead end low paying jobs for dummies. Now the current generation of youth are too stupid to be able to do factory work.

That has been by design in the past 20 years or so. It doesn’t even come close to what it was when I was a kid. Not even close. But everyone feels better because we don’t use red ink to grade papers or point out errors electronically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am opposed to making America a manufacturing success again.

That’s too bad because manufacturing is a high tech job now requiring knowledge in automating processes. People will not be on Ford assembly line like you see in old photos.