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Anonymous wrote:Cunard is lovely but I’d caution taking an 80 year old on an overnight flight to Europe unless she is in very good health. I think JFK might have daytime flights to London and Paris.

Re: Viking - river cruising is very different from big ship cruising like Cunard.

I think big ship cruising is more fun because of the evening entertainment.

What about doing a cruise out of Florida? Avoid Disney, Carnival, NCL, and Royal Caribbean (more kids, more crowds, more rowdy) and opt for Celebrity, Holland, etc.

I’m not sure if Cunard cruises out of the US. I’ve only seen their ships in Europe/Mediterranean. We basically followed a Cunard ship in the Mediterranean last summer; their passengers skew older and appear more affluent/preppy (based on seeing their passengers in lines and on tours).

Yes Cunard cruises out of the US, and Viking has many ocean ships.

Correct re: Viking—but most people associate Viking with River cruising in Europe. They don’t have many ocean ships and they aren’t known for entertainment. Viking is good for older people who are very social and like group tours and group dinners socializing with other older people. There are a lot of older couples on Viking. I’m not sure it’s the right fit for the op and her MIL.

Viking currently has 9 ocean ships. That's more than cunard (3), seabourn (6), regent (6), crystal (2), oceania (7), azamara (4) and only one less than silversea (10).

Kinda hard to support the claim they don't have many ocean ships. And they are preparing to launch 6 more over the next three years.

Do you work for Viking? You seem really invested ;0)

Azamara is like Viking: both are primarily known for river cruising and have expanded to ocean cruising.

Cunard and the others are super pricey luxury lines. They don’t need or want more ships…the industry is becoming too crowded. Did you see Captain Kate is ditching Celebrity for Four Seasons? Four Seasons joins Ritz Carlton as a new competitor to Cunard, etc…albeit with even smaller ships.

Anyway, I meant that Viking isn’t like Celebrity or Royal or Holland, etc. - they have a fleet of ships easily accessible from FL and elsewhere.

If you are looking for luxury like Cunard, then go with Cunard.

I’m curious if the person is looking for beach time or something else? That could better focus the options.

You don’t know much about this subject and should stop commenting.

- no I do not work for Viking and have not even sailed with them, ocean or river. All my info was retrieved in seconds with search.

- Azamara does not have river cruises and never has.

- The cruise industry is sailing at record capacity right now and many cruise lines have ships on (back) order. So your point is false but also irrelevant because it was in response to the claim that Viking doesn’t “have many ocean ships”.

Mea culpa. I confused Azamara with AMA Waterways.

I’ve cruised on multiple lines over many decades and confused the two.

But I stand by my point re: how crowded the luxury line is becoming. Four Seasons just jumped into an already crowded market. We’ll see how it goes. I know the major lines are expanding their fleets and interestingly they are ordering smaller ships (the mega ships are costly to operate and not filling up). Back to my point: transatlantic and repositioning cruises are notoriously rough waters, cheap prices, and never full. Ask anyone. I mean, that’s why you can take a 13 night transatlantic for $600.

Thanks for finally admitting one mistake.

As for your four seasons point, still unsure what it is. You think four seasons doesn’t know what they are doing and you do? As well as all the other cruise lines that are ordering small and mid sized ships? (Yes that segment is in incredible demand)

As for mega ships, Royal launched two mega ships last year and has a third planned for this year. Princess launched sun princess.MSC, Virgin, and Norwegian are also launching new megas. Personally I have no interest in those. But they are experiencing record demand and revenues. I don’t know where you get the idea the ships are not filling up.

I only said the repositioning and transatlantic ships aren’t full. That’s a fact. That’s why they are always so cheap. If they reach near capacity, it’s because of the steep discount.

I checked last week and there were tons of two-week transatlantic/repositioning cruises for $600-700 pp. The same ships charge $1,100+ pp for Caribbean itineraries and $1,700+ for Med cruises.

I didn’t saw all ships and all itineraries are cheap or not full. You made a leap.

Will it make you happy if I swear allegiance to Viking ocean cruises as the super bestest cruise option on the planet? ;0)

Anyway, Cunard is truly lovely, op. Watch some YouTube videos and join a FB group to ask their loyal followers specific questions.

Could you let us know where you find repositioning cruises? Yes, I could google, but would have no idea if any site was worth using or not.

I just search directly on the cruise line’s site. Ships tend to sail from Florida or NY in April or so over to Europe for the summer season.

Caution: the seas can be bumpy. The northern Atlantic is far bumpier than a more southern route.

Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, and Holland America have good rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Cunard is lovely but I’d caution taking an 80 year old on an overnight flight to Europe unless she is in very good health. I think JFK might have daytime flights to London and Paris.

Re: Viking - river cruising is very different from big ship cruising like Cunard.

I think big ship cruising is more fun because of the evening entertainment.

What about doing a cruise out of Florida? Avoid Disney, Carnival, NCL, and Royal Caribbean (more kids, more crowds, more rowdy) and opt for Celebrity, Holland, etc.

I’m not sure if Cunard cruises out of the US. I’ve only seen their ships in Europe/Mediterranean. We basically followed a Cunard ship in the Mediterranean last summer; their passengers skew older and appear more affluent/preppy (based on seeing their passengers in lines and on tours).

Yes Cunard cruises out of the US, and Viking has many ocean ships.

Correct re: Viking—but most people associate Viking with River cruising in Europe. They don’t have many ocean ships and they aren’t known for entertainment. Viking is good for older people who are very social and like group tours and group dinners socializing with other older people. There are a lot of older couples on Viking. I’m not sure it’s the right fit for the op and her MIL.

Viking currently has 9 ocean ships. That's more than cunard (3), seabourn (6), regent (6), crystal (2), oceania (7), azamara (4) and only one less than silversea (10).

Kinda hard to support the claim they don't have many ocean ships. And they are preparing to launch 6 more over the next three years.

Do you work for Viking? You seem really invested ;0)

Azamara is like Viking: both are primarily known for river cruising and have expanded to ocean cruising.

Cunard and the others are super pricey luxury lines. They don’t need or want more ships…the industry is becoming too crowded. Did you see Captain Kate is ditching Celebrity for Four Seasons? Four Seasons joins Ritz Carlton as a new competitor to Cunard, etc…albeit with even smaller ships.

Anyway, I meant that Viking isn’t like Celebrity or Royal or Holland, etc. - they have a fleet of ships easily accessible from FL and elsewhere.

If you are looking for luxury like Cunard, then go with Cunard.

I’m curious if the person is looking for beach time or something else? That could better focus the options.

You don’t know much about this subject and should stop commenting.

- no I do not work for Viking and have not even sailed with them, ocean or river. All my info was retrieved in seconds with search.

- Azamara does not have river cruises and never has.

- The cruise industry is sailing at record capacity right now and many cruise lines have ships on (back) order. So your point is false but also irrelevant because it was in response to the claim that Viking doesn’t “have many ocean ships”.

Mea culpa. I confused Azamara with AMA Waterways.

I’ve cruised on multiple lines over many decades and confused the two.

But I stand by my point re: how crowded the luxury line is becoming. Four Seasons just jumped into an already crowded market. We’ll see how it goes. I know the major lines are expanding their fleets and interestingly they are ordering smaller ships (the mega ships are costly to operate and not filling up). Back to my point: transatlantic and repositioning cruises are notoriously rough waters, cheap prices, and never full. Ask anyone. I mean, that’s why you can take a 13 night transatlantic for $600.

Thanks for finally admitting one mistake.

As for your four seasons point, still unsure what it is. You think four seasons doesn’t know what they are doing and you do? As well as all the other cruise lines that are ordering small and mid sized ships? (Yes that segment is in incredible demand)

As for mega ships, Royal launched two mega ships last year and has a third planned for this year. Princess launched sun princess.MSC, Virgin, and Norwegian are also launching new megas. Personally I have no interest in those. But they are experiencing record demand and revenues. I don’t know where you get the idea the ships are not filling up.

I only said the repositioning and transatlantic ships aren’t full. That’s a fact. That’s why they are always so cheap. If they reach near capacity, it’s because of the steep discount.

I checked last week and there were tons of two-week transatlantic/repositioning cruises for $600-700 pp. The same ships charge $1,100+ pp for Caribbean itineraries and $1,700+ for Med cruises.

I didn’t saw all ships and all itineraries are cheap or not full. You made a leap.

Will it make you happy if I swear allegiance to Viking ocean cruises as the super bestest cruise option on the planet? ;0)

Anyway, Cunard is truly lovely, op. Watch some YouTube videos and join a FB group to ask their loyal followers specific questions.

Please stop straw-man-ing (even if in jest). I made no qualitative claims about Viking and in fact after you accused me of working for them I assured you I had never even sailed with them.

I was strictly concerned with the mis-information that they were only a river cruise line, then the modified mis-information that ok they are an ocean line too but don't have many ships. These are both corrected now for anyone reading the thread.

As for what other claims you made and "leaps" I might have made, I will let the thread speak for itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Cunard is lovely but I’d caution taking an 80 year old on an overnight flight to Europe unless she is in very good health. I think JFK might have daytime flights to London and Paris.

Re: Viking - river cruising is very different from big ship cruising like Cunard.

I think big ship cruising is more fun because of the evening entertainment.

What about doing a cruise out of Florida? Avoid Disney, Carnival, NCL, and Royal Caribbean (more kids, more crowds, more rowdy) and opt for Celebrity, Holland, etc.

I’m not sure if Cunard cruises out of the US. I’ve only seen their ships in Europe/Mediterranean. We basically followed a Cunard ship in the Mediterranean last summer; their passengers skew older and appear more affluent/preppy (based on seeing their passengers in lines and on tours).

Yes Cunard cruises out of the US, and Viking has many ocean ships.

Correct re: Viking—but most people associate Viking with River cruising in Europe. They don’t have many ocean ships and they aren’t known for entertainment. Viking is good for older people who are very social and like group tours and group dinners socializing with other older people. There are a lot of older couples on Viking. I’m not sure it’s the right fit for the op and her MIL.

Viking currently has 9 ocean ships. That's more than cunard (3), seabourn (6), regent (6), crystal (2), oceania (7), azamara (4) and only one less than silversea (10).

Kinda hard to support the claim they don't have many ocean ships. And they are preparing to launch 6 more over the next three years.

Do you work for Viking? You seem really invested ;0)

Azamara is like Viking: both are primarily known for river cruising and have expanded to ocean cruising.

Cunard and the others are super pricey luxury lines. They don’t need or want more ships…the industry is becoming too crowded. Did you see Captain Kate is ditching Celebrity for Four Seasons? Four Seasons joins Ritz Carlton as a new competitor to Cunard, etc…albeit with even smaller ships.

Anyway, I meant that Viking isn’t like Celebrity or Royal or Holland, etc. - they have a fleet of ships easily accessible from FL and elsewhere.

If you are looking for luxury like Cunard, then go with Cunard.

I’m curious if the person is looking for beach time or something else? That could better focus the options.

You don’t know much about this subject and should stop commenting.

- no I do not work for Viking and have not even sailed with them, ocean or river. All my info was retrieved in seconds with search.

- Azamara does not have river cruises and never has.

- The cruise industry is sailing at record capacity right now and many cruise lines have ships on (back) order. So your point is false but also irrelevant because it was in response to the claim that Viking doesn’t “have many ocean ships”.

Mea culpa. I confused Azamara with AMA Waterways.

I’ve cruised on multiple lines over many decades and confused the two.

But I stand by my point re: how crowded the luxury line is becoming. Four Seasons just jumped into an already crowded market. We’ll see how it goes. I know the major lines are expanding their fleets and interestingly they are ordering smaller ships (the mega ships are costly to operate and not filling up). Back to my point: transatlantic and repositioning cruises are notoriously rough waters, cheap prices, and never full. Ask anyone. I mean, that’s why you can take a 13 night transatlantic for $600.

Thanks for finally admitting one mistake.

As for your four seasons point, still unsure what it is. You think four seasons doesn’t know what they are doing and you do? As well as all the other cruise lines that are ordering small and mid sized ships? (Yes that segment is in incredible demand)

As for mega ships, Royal launched two mega ships last year and has a third planned for this year. Princess launched sun princess.MSC, Virgin, and Norwegian are also launching new megas. Personally I have no interest in those. But they are experiencing record demand and revenues. I don’t know where you get the idea the ships are not filling up.

I only said the repositioning and transatlantic ships aren’t full. That’s a fact. That’s why they are always so cheap. If they reach near capacity, it’s because of the steep discount.

I checked last week and there were tons of two-week transatlantic/repositioning cruises for $600-700 pp. The same ships charge $1,100+ pp for Caribbean itineraries and $1,700+ for Med cruises.

I didn’t saw all ships and all itineraries are cheap or not full. You made a leap.

Will it make you happy if I swear allegiance to Viking ocean cruises as the super bestest cruise option on the planet? ;0)

Anyway, Cunard is truly lovely, op. Watch some YouTube videos and join a FB group to ask their loyal followers specific questions.

Could you let us know where you find repositioning cruises? Yes, I could google, but would have no idea if any site was worth using or not.

DP - You can look at the individual websites. Some, like regent, will have "transoceanic" or "grand voyages" or something like that in their search tools for their repositioning. They do tend to be cheaper. The times to look are for season changes as they move ship from the carib to the med, etc.

Cunard's trans-oceanic, though, are not technically repositioning cruises as they are regular and scheduled. They have the only true ocean lines still sailing today, as I understand. I cannot tell you exactly what technical distinctions that requires but I know it means they go faster and (theoretically) are more stable in rough seas.

I think ChatGPT is little more than a parlor trick but I have found it incredibly useful in travel and itinerary planning. Try that first if you are inclined, and then go to the sites of the lines it recommends based on your preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:Cunard is lovely but I’d caution taking an 80 year old on an overnight flight to Europe unless she is in very good health. I think JFK might have daytime flights to London and Paris.

Re: Viking - river cruising is very different from big ship cruising like Cunard.

I think big ship cruising is more fun because of the evening entertainment.

What about doing a cruise out of Florida? Avoid Disney, Carnival, NCL, and Royal Caribbean (more kids, more crowds, more rowdy) and opt for Celebrity, Holland, etc.

I’m not sure if Cunard cruises out of the US. I’ve only seen their ships in Europe/Mediterranean. We basically followed a Cunard ship in the Mediterranean last summer; their passengers skew older and appear more affluent/preppy (based on seeing their passengers in lines and on tours).

Yes Cunard cruises out of the US, and Viking has many ocean ships.

Correct re: Viking—but most people associate Viking with River cruising in Europe. They don’t have many ocean ships and they aren’t known for entertainment. Viking is good for older people who are very social and like group tours and group dinners socializing with other older people. There are a lot of older couples on Viking. I’m not sure it’s the right fit for the op and her MIL.

Viking currently has 9 ocean ships. That's more than cunard (3), seabourn (6), regent (6), crystal (2), oceania (7), azamara (4) and only one less than silversea (10).

Kinda hard to support the claim they don't have many ocean ships. And they are preparing to launch 6 more over the next three years.

Do you work for Viking? You seem really invested ;0)

Azamara is like Viking: both are primarily known for river cruising and have expanded to ocean cruising.

Cunard and the others are super pricey luxury lines. They don’t need or want more ships…the industry is becoming too crowded. Did you see Captain Kate is ditching Celebrity for Four Seasons? Four Seasons joins Ritz Carlton as a new competitor to Cunard, etc…albeit with even smaller ships.

Anyway, I meant that Viking isn’t like Celebrity or Royal or Holland, etc. - they have a fleet of ships easily accessible from FL and elsewhere.

If you are looking for luxury like Cunard, then go with Cunard.

I’m curious if the person is looking for beach time or something else? That could better focus the options.

You don’t know much about this subject and should stop commenting.

- no I do not work for Viking and have not even sailed with them, ocean or river. All my info was retrieved in seconds with search.

- Azamara does not have river cruises and never has.

- The cruise industry is sailing at record capacity right now and many cruise lines have ships on (back) order. So your point is false but also irrelevant because it was in response to the claim that Viking doesn’t “have many ocean ships”.

Mea culpa. I confused Azamara with AMA Waterways.

I’ve cruised on multiple lines over many decades and confused the two.

But I stand by my point re: how crowded the luxury line is becoming. Four Seasons just jumped into an already crowded market. We’ll see how it goes. I know the major lines are expanding their fleets and interestingly they are ordering smaller ships (the mega ships are costly to operate and not filling up). Back to my point: transatlantic and repositioning cruises are notoriously rough waters, cheap prices, and never full. Ask anyone. I mean, that’s why you can take a 13 night transatlantic for $600.

Thanks for finally admitting one mistake.

As for your four seasons point, still unsure what it is. You think four seasons doesn’t know what they are doing and you do? As well as all the other cruise lines that are ordering small and mid sized ships? (Yes that segment is in incredible demand)

As for mega ships, Royal launched two mega ships last year and has a third planned for this year. Princess launched sun princess.MSC, Virgin, and Norwegian are also launching new megas. Personally I have no interest in those. But they are experiencing record demand and revenues. I don’t know where you get the idea the ships are not filling up.

I only said the repositioning and transatlantic ships aren’t full. That’s a fact. That’s why they are always so cheap. If they reach near capacity, it’s because of the steep discount.

I checked last week and there were tons of two-week transatlantic/repositioning cruises for $600-700 pp. The same ships charge $1,100+ pp for Caribbean itineraries and $1,700+ for Med cruises.

I didn’t saw all ships and all itineraries are cheap or not full. You made a leap.

Will it make you happy if I swear allegiance to Viking ocean cruises as the super bestest cruise option on the planet? ;0)

Anyway, Cunard is truly lovely, op. Watch some YouTube videos and join a FB group to ask their loyal followers specific questions.

Please stop straw-man-ing (even if in jest). I made no qualitative claims about Viking and in fact after you accused me of working for them I assured you I had never even sailed with them.

I was strictly concerned with the mis-information that they were only a river cruise line, then the modified mis-information that ok they are an ocean line too but don't have many ships. These are both corrected now for anyone reading the thread.

As for what other claims you made and "leaps" I might have made, I will let the thread speak for itself.

Awesome! Thx!

FTR, I didn’t say Viking doesn’t have ocean liners. I know people who’ve sailed on them.

Rather, I assumed that the Pp who suggested Viking would be a better option for an older person was *likely referring to* river cruising. Why? Because most people think river cruising when they hear Viking—not ocean cruising.

That’s all.

I’ve cruised tons of different lines for several decades. I’m not old yet, but my parents and in-laws and other elderly relatives have cruised Cunard, Viking (river and ocean), Ponant, Ritz, special Tauck cruises, and all the other luxury and more basic lines. I also follow tons of CruiseTubers and am the admin for a couple FB cruise-related groups. I routinely post when cruise questions come up, but this is the first time I’ve been jumped on repeatedly.

Anyway, you win!

You have pointed out imaginary falsehoods (for what purpose, nobody knows) and did an excellent job correcting the transcript for the benefit of future readers. Huzzah!

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Anonymous wrote:Cunard is lovely but I’d caution taking an 80 year old on an overnight flight to Europe unless she is in very good health. I think JFK might have daytime flights to London and Paris.

Re: Viking - river cruising is very different from big ship cruising like Cunard.

I think big ship cruising is more fun because of the evening entertainment.

What about doing a cruise out of Florida? Avoid Disney, Carnival, NCL, and Royal Caribbean (more kids, more crowds, more rowdy) and opt for Celebrity, Holland, etc.

I’m not sure if Cunard cruises out of the US. I’ve only seen their ships in Europe/Mediterranean. We basically followed a Cunard ship in the Mediterranean last summer; their passengers skew older and appear more affluent/preppy (based on seeing their passengers in lines and on tours).

Yes Cunard cruises out of the US, and Viking has many ocean ships.

Correct re: Viking—but most people associate Viking with River cruising in Europe. They don’t have many ocean ships and they aren’t known for entertainment. Viking is good for older people who are very social and like group tours and group dinners socializing with other older people. There are a lot of older couples on Viking. I’m not sure it’s the right fit for the op and her MIL.

Viking currently has 9 ocean ships. That's more than cunard (3), seabourn (6), regent (6), crystal (2), oceania (7), azamara (4) and only one less than silversea (10).

Kinda hard to support the claim they don't have many ocean ships. And they are preparing to launch 6 more over the next three years.

Do you work for Viking? You seem really invested ;0)

Azamara is like Viking: both are primarily known for river cruising and have expanded to ocean cruising.

Cunard and the others are super pricey luxury lines. They don’t need or want more ships…the industry is becoming too crowded. Did you see Captain Kate is ditching Celebrity for Four Seasons? Four Seasons joins Ritz Carlton as a new competitor to Cunard, etc…albeit with even smaller ships.

Anyway, I meant that Viking isn’t like Celebrity or Royal or Holland, etc. - they have a fleet of ships easily accessible from FL and elsewhere.

If you are looking for luxury like Cunard, then go with Cunard.

I’m curious if the person is looking for beach time or something else? That could better focus the options.

You don’t know much about this subject and should stop commenting.

- no I do not work for Viking and have not even sailed with them, ocean or river. All my info was retrieved in seconds with search.

- Azamara does not have river cruises and never has.

- The cruise industry is sailing at record capacity right now and many cruise lines have ships on (back) order. So your point is false but also irrelevant because it was in response to the claim that Viking doesn’t “have many ocean ships”.

Mea culpa. I confused Azamara with AMA Waterways.

I’ve cruised on multiple lines over many decades and confused the two.

But I stand by my point re: how crowded the luxury line is becoming. Four Seasons just jumped into an already crowded market. We’ll see how it goes. I know the major lines are expanding their fleets and interestingly they are ordering smaller ships (the mega ships are costly to operate and not filling up). Back to my point: transatlantic and repositioning cruises are notoriously rough waters, cheap prices, and never full. Ask anyone. I mean, that’s why you can take a 13 night transatlantic for $600.

Thanks for finally admitting one mistake.

As for your four seasons point, still unsure what it is. You think four seasons doesn’t know what they are doing and you do? As well as all the other cruise lines that are ordering small and mid sized ships? (Yes that segment is in incredible demand)

As for mega ships, Royal launched two mega ships last year and has a third planned for this year. Princess launched sun princess.MSC, Virgin, and Norwegian are also launching new megas. Personally I have no interest in those. But they are experiencing record demand and revenues. I don’t know where you get the idea the ships are not filling up.

I only said the repositioning and transatlantic ships aren’t full. That’s a fact. That’s why they are always so cheap. If they reach near capacity, it’s because of the steep discount.

I checked last week and there were tons of two-week transatlantic/repositioning cruises for $600-700 pp. The same ships charge $1,100+ pp for Caribbean itineraries and $1,700+ for Med cruises.

I didn’t saw all ships and all itineraries are cheap or not full. You made a leap.

Will it make you happy if I swear allegiance to Viking ocean cruises as the super bestest cruise option on the planet? ;0)

Anyway, Cunard is truly lovely, op. Watch some YouTube videos and join a FB group to ask their loyal followers specific questions.

Please stop straw-man-ing (even if in jest). I made no qualitative claims about Viking and in fact after you accused me of working for them I assured you I had never even sailed with them.

I was strictly concerned with the mis-information that they were only a river cruise line, then the modified mis-information that ok they are an ocean line too but don't have many ships. These are both corrected now for anyone reading the thread.

As for what other claims you made and "leaps" I might have made, I will let the thread speak for itself.

Awesome! Thx!

FTR, I didn’t say Viking doesn’t have ocean liners. I know people who’ve sailed on them.

Rather, I assumed that the Pp who suggested Viking would be a better option for an older person was *likely referring to* river cruising. Why? Because most people think river cruising when they hear Viking—not ocean cruising.

That’s all.

I’ve cruised tons of different lines for several decades. I’m not old yet, but my parents and in-laws and other elderly relatives have cruised Cunard, Viking (river and ocean), Ponant, Ritz, special Tauck cruises, and all the other luxury and more basic lines. I also follow tons of CruiseTubers and am the admin for a couple FB cruise-related groups. I routinely post when cruise questions come up, but this is the first time I’ve been jumped on repeatedly.

Anyway, you win!

You have pointed out imaginary falsehoods (for what purpose, nobody knows) and did an excellent job correcting the transcript for the benefit of future readers. Huzzah!

You could have said Viking doesn't have ocean liners. Because they don't.

https://cruiseweb.com/blog/ocean-liner-vs-cruise-ship/

Your snottiness, and "you win" followed by another claim I didn't correct misinformation is unfortunate. If you like, I will happily take the time to enumerate them one by one again. But I don't think it is necessary.

I am glad you enjoy cruising. I do too. Given your vast experience I am surprised you would "confuse[d] Azamara with AMA Waterways" and make other errors of that magnitude.

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Anonymous wrote:Cunard is lovely but I’d caution taking an 80 year old on an overnight flight to Europe unless she is in very good health. I think JFK might have daytime flights to London and Paris.

Re: Viking - river cruising is very different from big ship cruising like Cunard.

I think big ship cruising is more fun because of the evening entertainment.

What about doing a cruise out of Florida? Avoid Disney, Carnival, NCL, and Royal Caribbean (more kids, more crowds, more rowdy) and opt for Celebrity, Holland, etc.

I’m not sure if Cunard cruises out of the US. I’ve only seen their ships in Europe/Mediterranean. We basically followed a Cunard ship in the Mediterranean last summer; their passengers skew older and appear more affluent/preppy (based on seeing their passengers in lines and on tours).

Yes Cunard cruises out of the US, and Viking has many ocean ships.

Correct re: Viking—but most people associate Viking with River cruising in Europe. They don’t have many ocean ships and they aren’t known for entertainment. Viking is good for older people who are very social and like group tours and group dinners socializing with other older people. There are a lot of older couples on Viking. I’m not sure it’s the right fit for the op and her MIL.

Viking currently has 9 ocean ships. That's more than cunard (3), seabourn (6), regent (6), crystal (2), oceania (7), azamara (4) and only one less than silversea (10).

Kinda hard to support the claim they don't have many ocean ships. And they are preparing to launch 6 more over the next three years.

Do you work for Viking? You seem really invested ;0)

Azamara is like Viking: both are primarily known for river cruising and have expanded to ocean cruising.

Cunard and the others are super pricey luxury lines. They don’t need or want more ships…the industry is becoming too crowded. Did you see Captain Kate is ditching Celebrity for Four Seasons? Four Seasons joins Ritz Carlton as a new competitor to Cunard, etc…albeit with even smaller ships.

Anyway, I meant that Viking isn’t like Celebrity or Royal or Holland, etc. - they have a fleet of ships easily accessible from FL and elsewhere.

If you are looking for luxury like Cunard, then go with Cunard.

I’m curious if the person is looking for beach time or something else? That could better focus the options.

You don’t know much about this subject and should stop commenting.

- no I do not work for Viking and have not even sailed with them, ocean or river. All my info was retrieved in seconds with search.

- Azamara does not have river cruises and never has.

- The cruise industry is sailing at record capacity right now and many cruise lines have ships on (back) order. So your point is false but also irrelevant because it was in response to the claim that Viking doesn’t “have many ocean ships”.

Mea culpa. I confused Azamara with AMA Waterways.

I’ve cruised on multiple lines over many decades and confused the two.

But I stand by my point re: how crowded the luxury line is becoming. Four Seasons just jumped into an already crowded market. We’ll see how it goes. I know the major lines are expanding their fleets and interestingly they are ordering smaller ships (the mega ships are costly to operate and not filling up). Back to my point: transatlantic and repositioning cruises are notoriously rough waters, cheap prices, and never full. Ask anyone. I mean, that’s why you can take a 13 night transatlantic for $600.

Thanks for finally admitting one mistake.

As for your four seasons point, still unsure what it is. You think four seasons doesn’t know what they are doing and you do? As well as all the other cruise lines that are ordering small and mid sized ships? (Yes that segment is in incredible demand)

As for mega ships, Royal launched two mega ships last year and has a third planned for this year. Princess launched sun princess.MSC, Virgin, and Norwegian are also launching new megas. Personally I have no interest in those. But they are experiencing record demand and revenues. I don’t know where you get the idea the ships are not filling up.

I only said the repositioning and transatlantic ships aren’t full. That’s a fact. That’s why they are always so cheap. If they reach near capacity, it’s because of the steep discount.

I checked last week and there were tons of two-week transatlantic/repositioning cruises for $600-700 pp. The same ships charge $1,100+ pp for Caribbean itineraries and $1,700+ for Med cruises.

I didn’t saw all ships and all itineraries are cheap or not full. You made a leap.

Will it make you happy if I swear allegiance to Viking ocean cruises as the super bestest cruise option on the planet? ;0)

Anyway, Cunard is truly lovely, op. Watch some YouTube videos and join a FB group to ask their loyal followers specific questions.

Please stop straw-man-ing (even if in jest). I made no qualitative claims about Viking and in fact after you accused me of working for them I assured you I had never even sailed with them.

I was strictly concerned with the mis-information that they were only a river cruise line, then the modified mis-information that ok they are an ocean line too but don't have many ships. These are both corrected now for anyone reading the thread.

As for what other claims you made and "leaps" I might have made, I will let the thread speak for itself.

Awesome! Thx!

FTR, I didn’t say Viking doesn’t have ocean liners. I know people who’ve sailed on them.

Rather, I assumed that the Pp who suggested Viking would be a better option for an older person was *likely referring to* river cruising. Why? Because most people think river cruising when they hear Viking—not ocean cruising.

That’s all.

I’ve cruised tons of different lines for several decades. I’m not old yet, but my parents and in-laws and other elderly relatives have cruised Cunard, Viking (river and ocean), Ponant, Ritz, special Tauck cruises, and all the other luxury and more basic lines. I also follow tons of CruiseTubers and am the admin for a couple FB cruise-related groups. I routinely post when cruise questions come up, but this is the first time I’ve been jumped on repeatedly.

Anyway, you win!

You have pointed out imaginary falsehoods (for what purpose, nobody knows) and did an excellent job correcting the transcript for the benefit of future readers. Huzzah!

You could have said Viking doesn't have ocean liners. Because they don't.

https://cruiseweb.com/blog/ocean-liner-vs-cruise-ship/

Your snottiness, and "you win" followed by another claim I didn't correct misinformation is unfortunate. If you like, I will happily take the time to enumerate them one by one again. But I don't think it is necessary.

I am glad you enjoy cruising. I do too. Given your vast experience I am surprised you would "confuse[d] Azamara with AMA Waterways" and make other errors of that magnitude.

Oy vey, Lady!

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Anyway, I hope readers don’t think cruisers are this uptight. In my experience, cruisers tend to be laid back and fun.

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Anonymous wrote:Cunard is lovely but I’d caution taking an 80 year old on an overnight flight to Europe unless she is in very good health. I think JFK might have daytime flights to London and Paris.

Re: Viking - river cruising is very different from big ship cruising like Cunard.

I think big ship cruising is more fun because of the evening entertainment.

What about doing a cruise out of Florida? Avoid Disney, Carnival, NCL, and Royal Caribbean (more kids, more crowds, more rowdy) and opt for Celebrity, Holland, etc.

I’m not sure if Cunard cruises out of the US. I’ve only seen their ships in Europe/Mediterranean. We basically followed a Cunard ship in the Mediterranean last summer; their passengers skew older and appear more affluent/preppy (based on seeing their passengers in lines and on tours).

Yes Cunard cruises out of the US, and Viking has many ocean ships.

Correct re: Viking—but most people associate Viking with River cruising in Europe. They don’t have many ocean ships and they aren’t known for entertainment. Viking is good for older people who are very social and like group tours and group dinners socializing with other older people. There are a lot of older couples on Viking. I’m not sure it’s the right fit for the op and her MIL.

Viking currently has 9 ocean ships. That's more than cunard (3), seabourn (6), regent (6), crystal (2), oceania (7), azamara (4) and only one less than silversea (10).

Kinda hard to support the claim they don't have many ocean ships. And they are preparing to launch 6 more over the next three years.

Do you work for Viking? You seem really invested ;0)

Azamara is like Viking: both are primarily known for river cruising and have expanded to ocean cruising.

Cunard and the others are super pricey luxury lines. They don’t need or want more ships…the industry is becoming too crowded. Did you see Captain Kate is ditching Celebrity for Four Seasons? Four Seasons joins Ritz Carlton as a new competitor to Cunard, etc…albeit with even smaller ships.

Anyway, I meant that Viking isn’t like Celebrity or Royal or Holland, etc. - they have a fleet of ships easily accessible from FL and elsewhere.

If you are looking for luxury like Cunard, then go with Cunard.

I’m curious if the person is looking for beach time or something else? That could better focus the options.

You don’t know much about this subject and should stop commenting.

- no I do not work for Viking and have not even sailed with them, ocean or river. All my info was retrieved in seconds with search.

- Azamara does not have river cruises and never has.

- The cruise industry is sailing at record capacity right now and many cruise lines have ships on (back) order. So your point is false but also irrelevant because it was in response to the claim that Viking doesn’t “have many ocean ships”.

Mea culpa. I confused Azamara with AMA Waterways.

I’ve cruised on multiple lines over many decades and confused the two.

But I stand by my point re: how crowded the luxury line is becoming. Four Seasons just jumped into an already crowded market. We’ll see how it goes. I know the major lines are expanding their fleets and interestingly they are ordering smaller ships (the mega ships are costly to operate and not filling up). Back to my point: transatlantic and repositioning cruises are notoriously rough waters, cheap prices, and never full. Ask anyone. I mean, that’s why you can take a 13 night transatlantic for $600.

Thanks for finally admitting one mistake.

As for your four seasons point, still unsure what it is. You think four seasons doesn’t know what they are doing and you do? As well as all the other cruise lines that are ordering small and mid sized ships? (Yes that segment is in incredible demand)

As for mega ships, Royal launched two mega ships last year and has a third planned for this year. Princess launched sun princess.MSC, Virgin, and Norwegian are also launching new megas. Personally I have no interest in those. But they are experiencing record demand and revenues. I don’t know where you get the idea the ships are not filling up.

I only said the repositioning and transatlantic ships aren’t full. That’s a fact. That’s why they are always so cheap. If they reach near capacity, it’s because of the steep discount.

I checked last week and there were tons of two-week transatlantic/repositioning cruises for $600-700 pp. The same ships charge $1,100+ pp for Caribbean itineraries and $1,700+ for Med cruises.

I didn’t saw all ships and all itineraries are cheap or not full. You made a leap.

Will it make you happy if I swear allegiance to Viking ocean cruises as the super bestest cruise option on the planet? ;0)

Anyway, Cunard is truly lovely, op. Watch some YouTube videos and join a FB group to ask their loyal followers specific questions.

Please stop straw-man-ing (even if in jest). I made no qualitative claims about Viking and in fact after you accused me of working for them I assured you I had never even sailed with them.

I was strictly concerned with the mis-information that they were only a river cruise line, then the modified mis-information that ok they are an ocean line too but don't have many ships. These are both corrected now for anyone reading the thread.

As for what other claims you made and "leaps" I might have made, I will let the thread speak for itself.

Awesome! Thx!

FTR, I didn’t say Viking doesn’t have ocean liners. I know people who’ve sailed on them.

Rather, I assumed that the Pp who suggested Viking would be a better option for an older person was *likely referring to* river cruising. Why? Because most people think river cruising when they hear Viking—not ocean cruising.

That’s all.

I’ve cruised tons of different lines for several decades. I’m not old yet, but my parents and in-laws and other elderly relatives have cruised Cunard, Viking (river and ocean), Ponant, Ritz, special Tauck cruises, and all the other luxury and more basic lines. I also follow tons of CruiseTubers and am the admin for a couple FB cruise-related groups. I routinely post when cruise questions come up, but this is the first time I’ve been jumped on repeatedly.

Anyway, you win!

You have pointed out imaginary falsehoods (for what purpose, nobody knows) and did an excellent job correcting the transcript for the benefit of future readers. Huzzah!

You could have said Viking doesn't have ocean liners. Because they don't.

https://cruiseweb.com/blog/ocean-liner-vs-cruise-ship/

Your snottiness, and "you win" followed by another claim I didn't correct misinformation is unfortunate. If you like, I will happily take the time to enumerate them one by one again. But I don't think it is necessary.

I am glad you enjoy cruising. I do too. Given your vast experience I am surprised you would "confuse[d] Azamara with AMA Waterways" and make other errors of that magnitude.

Oy vey, Lady!

…

Anyway, I hope readers don’t think cruisers are this uptight. In my experience, cruisers tend to be laid back and fun.

Some are fun. Some are not.

Some are right about things. And some are wrong about things.

It takes all kinds, I guess.