Harvard freshman survey insights for class of 2028

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

Legacy is a conferred status and advantage that has absolutely nothing to do with what an applicant brings to the table admissions wise.

The fact the a kid with a 36 ACT will still try to leverage legacy status says it all.


But URMs!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who says these Ivory tower institutions discriminate against Republicans...where is the outrage:

When breaking down test scores by political affiliation, the average score for students who self-reported as Democrats was 1527, nearly 70 points higher than the average score of students who identified as Republicans. The average ACT score for Democratic students in the Class of 2028 was 34, two points higher than the average score for Republican students, which sits at 32. Approximately 10 times more students self-identified as Democrat than Republican.

That is a combination of the legacy preference and the athletic preferences.

The article specifically indicates that legacy students had higher average test scores than non-legacy.

Is it possible that being a legacy actually hurts your application? My kid is a legacy with 1560 SAT-- would they stand out more as an applicant if they didn't mention legacy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

It sounds like he's a great kid who doesn't need legacy to get into a competitive school.

Wouldn't it better if he felt like he earned it, instead of being burdened with the feeling that he only got in because his mom went there?

I suspect a lot of bright kids would prefer to feel confident they got in on their own merits. "Legacy" is a loser hook and that's going to bother them as they go forward in life - unless they're shallow and status obsessed and don't have a lot of self worth. I really think legacy is more of a burden for smart kids. It's a psychological hit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

Legacy is a conferred status and advantage that has absolutely nothing to do with what an applicant brings to the table admissions wise.

The fact the a kid with a 36 ACT will still try to leverage legacy status says it all.


But URMs!

Dp, but says what all? This post makes zero sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

It sounds like he's a great kid who doesn't need legacy to get into a competitive school.

Wouldn't it better if he felt like he earned it, instead of being burdened with the feeling that he only got in because his mom went there?

I suspect a lot of bright kids would prefer to feel confident they got in on their own merits. "Legacy" is a loser hook and that's going to bother them as they go forward in life - unless they're shallow and status obsessed and don't have a lot of self worth. I really think legacy is more of a burden for smart kids. It's a psychological hit.

If he gets in, he did earn it, look at his stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would be interesting to see if there was a significant in crease of Jewish students. The president was replaced because powerful Alumni want to increase the number from 9-10% to 15-20%.

I'm a harvard grad. Thisis not why Gay was forced out citation for the last citation please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

Legacy is a conferred status and advantage that has absolutely nothing to do with what an applicant brings to the table admissions wise.

The fact the a kid with a 36 ACT will still try to leverage legacy status says it all.


But URMs!

Dp, but says what all? This post makes zero sense.

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

PPs do.

[Anonymous]

Harvard doesn't mean much anymore. Everyone that goes there has every advantage in the world from tutors, connections, money, etc. These kids are not, in actuality, the best and brightest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

It sounds like he's a great kid who doesn't need legacy to get into a competitive school.

Wouldn't it better if he felt like he earned it, instead of being burdened with the feeling that he only got in because his mom went there?

I suspect a lot of bright kids would prefer to feel confident they got in on their own merits. "Legacy" is a loser hook and that's going to bother them as they go forward in life - unless they're shallow and status obsessed and don't have a lot of self worth. I really think legacy is more of a burden for smart kids. It's a psychological hit.

If he gets in, he did earn it, look at his stats.

But not really, because so many rejected applicants have the same or better stats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

It sounds like he's a great kid who doesn't need legacy to get into a competitive school.

Wouldn't it better if he felt like he earned it, instead of being burdened with the feeling that he only got in because his mom went there?

I suspect a lot of bright kids would prefer to feel confident they got in on their own merits. "Legacy" is a loser hook and that's going to bother them as they go forward in life - unless they're shallow and status obsessed and don't have a lot of self worth. I really think legacy is more of a burden for smart kids. It's a psychological hit.

If he gets in, he did earn it, look at his stats.

But not really, because so many rejected applicants have the same or better stats.

Your jealousy is showing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

It sounds like he's a great kid who doesn't need legacy to get into a competitive school.

Wouldn't it better if he felt like he earned it, instead of being burdened with the feeling that he only got in because his mom went there?

I suspect a lot of bright kids would prefer to feel confident they got in on their own merits. "Legacy" is a loser hook and that's going to bother them as they go forward in life - unless they're shallow and status obsessed and don't have a lot of self worth. I really think legacy is more of a burden for smart kids. It's a psychological hit.

If he gets in, he did earn it, look at his stats.

But not really, because so many rejected applicants have the same or better stats.

Your jealousy is showing.

DP. I don't think it's jealousy. If everyone has 1550s & 4.6s and one of those 1550 4.6s gets chosen out of a pool of 1550 4.6s that's not because they worked hard for that 1550 and 4.6. Maybe it's what got them into the race but it's not what got them to the finish line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

It sounds like he's a great kid who doesn't need legacy to get into a competitive school.

Wouldn't it better if he felt like he earned it, instead of being burdened with the feeling that he only got in because his mom went there?

I suspect a lot of bright kids would prefer to feel confident they got in on their own merits. "Legacy" is a loser hook and that's going to bother them as they go forward in life - unless they're shallow and status obsessed and don't have a lot of self worth. I really think legacy is more of a burden for smart kids. It's a psychological hit.

If he gets in, he did earn it, look at his stats.

But not really, because so many rejected applicants have the same or better stats.

Your jealousy is showing.

DP. I don't think it's jealousy. If everyone has 1550s & 4.6s and one of those 1550 4.6s gets chosen out of a pool of 1550 4.6s that's not because they worked hard for that 1550 and 4.6. Maybe it's what got them into the race but it's not what got them to the finish line.

DP. I don’t get the grudge against a very qualified applicant getting admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:69% are virgins (self-reported).
46% never drink

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/12/4/freshman-survey-2028-lifestyle/

Never Drinks jumps to 76% if you include rarely or a few times a year. As a parent this is looking good so far.

Is this how it is at other T20 schools? Would be interesting to see the results 6 months in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

It sounds like he's a great kid who doesn't need legacy to get into a competitive school.

Wouldn't it better if he felt like he earned it, instead of being burdened with the feeling that he only got in because his mom went there?

I suspect a lot of bright kids would prefer to feel confident they got in on their own merits. "Legacy" is a loser hook and that's going to bother them as they go forward in life - unless they're shallow and status obsessed and don't have a lot of self worth. I really think legacy is more of a burden for smart kids. It's a psychological hit.

I would absolutely utilize legacy status for my kid if it helped at all. I was a FGLI student at a regional state university, but the real world is built on relationships. Also, I haven’t donated a dime to any of these schools, while PP may have contributed donations over the years and brought something unique to campus years ago. Legacy students have something to contribute as well. Exposure to different types of students and backgrounds is a great thing for young adults.

Such is life. There are areas of life where we all have privilege we were born into.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that legacy kids actually had higher scores than non-legacy kids.

nothing that 20 hours of private tutoring doesn't account for

My son is a legacy. 36 ACT, top of class at highly competitive private, national awards in two areas, nice person with solid friendships and does a lot of community service out of interest and care. People are already pretty explicitly stating that, if he gets in, it’s because he’s a legacy. I just remind him that, if the worst thing about his college process is that people attribute his admission to legacy, he should be thankful and move on performing well and ignore anyone who is saying it to be insulting while also recognizing that legacy in fact does help.

Just to say not all legacies have extra tutoring (he took ACT once, no tutoring).

It sounds like he's a great kid who doesn't need legacy to get into a competitive school.

Wouldn't it better if he felt like he earned it, instead of being burdened with the feeling that he only got in because his mom went there?

I suspect a lot of bright kids would prefer to feel confident they got in on their own merits. "Legacy" is a loser hook and that's going to bother them as they go forward in life - unless they're shallow and status obsessed and don't have a lot of self worth. I really think legacy is more of a burden for smart kids. It's a psychological hit.

I would absolutely utilize legacy status for my kid if it helped at all. I was a FGLI student at a regional state university, but the real world is built on relationships. Also, I haven’t donated a dime to any of these schools, while PP may have contributed donations over the years and brought something unique to campus years ago. Legacy students have something to contribute as well. Exposure to different types of students and backgrounds is a great thing for young adults.

Such is life. There are areas of life where we all have privilege we were born into.

Then don't say sh*t when a URM with similar stats gets admitted.