So few liberal arts majors

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Anonymous wrote:College has gotten too expensive to justify a liberal arts major. And I say that as someone with a liberal arts BA, MA, and PhD.

We told our kids that we will fully fund their college educations, but they had to pick a major that was going to be employable upon graduation and one that could provide them with financial stability.

My nephew is an English Language & Lit major at Harvard. There is very little chance that he'll find employment after graduation that will justify the $330k-$350k my sister & BIL are paying for his education.

Hmm. Someone with a phd in a liberal arts field who thinks college is trade school. Depressing.

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Anonymous wrote:College has gotten too expensive to justify a liberal arts major. And I say that as someone with a liberal arts BA, MA, and PhD.

We told our kids that we will fully fund their college educations, but they had to pick a major that was going to be employable upon graduation and one that could provide them with financial stability.

My nephew is an English Language & Lit major at Harvard. There is very little chance that he'll find employment after graduation that will justify the $330k-$350k my sister & BIL are paying for his education.

Hmm. Someone with a phd in a liberal arts field who thinks college is trade school. Depressing.

that someone is a realistic and sees what's going on. -dp

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Anonymous wrote:Very few kids live in the DCUM bubble and can afford to major in something frivolous knowing that their school’s prestige and parental connections will ensure they do well anyway. Most kids are forced to be practical.

Yet many study the sciences...Not to be anti-intellectual, but many scientific pursuits are purely meaningless, require a PhD, and pay $30k-40k

So friggin true it hurts. Studying physics was great but possibly one of the most useless things I have done in my life. It is mostly a field that generates no profit and has been consistently a mess for the pass 50 years with little progress to the fundamental questions still lurking. Overall, I would not recommend a science degree over a mathematics or engineering pursuit.

Physics majors who actually do the work and understand it get immediate starting salaries of pushing $100K at investment banks, hedge funds, and consulting companies.

Pretty sure PP meant getting a job in actual physics...like working as a nuclear physicist at a power company (in theory, a growth area these days with the amount of energy required by AI)

Also, the physics majors recruited to investment banks come from only like 30 schools. You can be a straight A physics major at the University of Wyoming and will have almost zero chance of working for any of the firms you mentioned.

However, when people mention physics or philosophy or economics they miss the much bigger picture. It's more the folks you read about borrowing $40k to attend their regional college and majoring in something like early childhood musical therapy and then struggling through life (actual person just profiled) unable to ever get
a job in the field or making just minimum wage...liberal arts degrees that honestly just shouldn't exist or at least should be funded by an employer where a decent job awaits for you on completion.

My sibling got a physics degree from Cal and couldn't find a job. So they went back to school to get an masters in engineering, then got a job.

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Anonymous wrote:College has gotten too expensive to justify a liberal arts major. And I say that as someone with a liberal arts BA, MA, and PhD.

We told our kids that we will fully fund their college educations, but they had to pick a major that was going to be employable upon graduation and one that could provide them with financial stability.

My nephew is an English Language & Lit major at Harvard. There is very little chance that he'll find employment after graduation that will justify the $330k-$350k my sister & BIL are paying for his education.

Hmm. Someone with a phd in a liberal arts field who thinks college is trade school. Depressing.

Possibly this is why the liberal arts are actually doing pretty well at community colleges. Can study the same topics for a lot less, making it worth it. And no matter what people think, the liberal arts are absolutely worth studying. But yeah, maybe they aren't worth $350K. $11K for NVCC, though? Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Very few kids live in the DCUM bubble and can afford to major in something frivolous knowing that their school’s prestige and parental connections will ensure they do well anyway. Most kids are forced to be practical.

Yet many study the sciences...Not to be anti-intellectual, but many scientific pursuits are purely meaningless, require a PhD, and pay $30k-40k

So friggin true it hurts. Studying physics was great but possibly one of the most useless things I have done in my life. It is mostly a field that generates no profit and has been consistently a mess for the pass 50 years with little progress to the fundamental questions still lurking. Overall, I would not recommend a science degree over a mathematics or engineering pursuit.

Physics majors who actually do the work and understand it get immediate starting salaries of pushing $100K at investment banks, hedge funds, and consulting companies.

Pretty sure PP meant getting a job in actual physics...like working as a nuclear physicist at a power company (in theory, a growth area these days with the amount of energy required by AI)

Also, the physics majors recruited to investment banks come from only like 30 schools. You can be a straight A physics major at the University of Wyoming and will have almost zero chance of working for any of the firms you mentioned.

However, when people mention physics or philosophy or economics they miss the much bigger picture. It's more the folks you read about borrowing $40k to attend their regional college and majoring in something like early childhood musical therapy and then struggling through life (actual person just profiled) unable to ever get
a job in the field or making just minimum wage...liberal arts degrees that honestly just shouldn't exist or at least should be funded by an employer where a decent job awaits for you on completion.

My sibling got a physics degree from Cal and couldn't find a job. So they went back to school to get a masters in engineering, then got a job.

If you don't get a higher degree than a bachelors, physics is a worthless degree, and most struggle to get jobs. Grad schools are insanely predatory and soul-crushing, yet are legitimized by these worthless majors.

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Anonymous wrote:College has gotten too expensive to justify a liberal arts major. And I say that as someone with a liberal arts BA, MA, and PhD.

We told our kids that we will fully fund their college educations, but they had to pick a major that was going to be employable upon graduation and one that could provide them with financial stability.

My nephew is an English Language & Lit major at Harvard. There is very little chance that he'll find employment after graduation that will justify the $330k-$350k my sister & BIL are paying for his education.

Hmm. Someone with a phd in a liberal arts field who thinks college is trade school. Depressing.

that someone is a realistic and sees what's going on. -dp

Hmm.

Yep. Still depressing.

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While the liberal arts face a headwind because of STEM, they also hurt themselves by shifting from Shakespeare and Plato toward wokeness. It's a different kind of person who goes for what liberal arts are today and there aren't as many of them.

Anonymous wrote:I was looking up colleges on this government College Navigator site and it was somewhat eye-opening how few students are majoring in liberal arts disciplines, with the exceptions being science and psychology. I guess it shouldn't be surprising given the high cost of college and economic uncertainty, but as a former social science major it makes me a bit sad.

Site: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/

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Anonymous wrote:While the liberal arts face a headwind because of STEM, they also hurt themselves by shifting from Shakespeare and Plato toward wokeness. It's a different kind of person who goes for what liberal arts are today and there aren't as many of them.

Anonymous wrote:I was looking up colleges on this government College Navigator site and it was somewhat eye-opening how few students are majoring in liberal arts disciplines, with the exceptions being science and psychology. I guess it shouldn't be surprising given the high cost of college and economic uncertainty, but as a former social science major it makes me a bit sad.

Site: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/

Half of STEM is a liberal art.

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Anonymous wrote:While the liberal arts face a headwind because of STEM, they also hurt themselves by shifting from Shakespeare and Plato toward wokeness. It's a different kind of person who goes for what liberal arts are today and there aren't as many of them.

Anonymous wrote:I was looking up colleges on this government College Navigator site and it was somewhat eye-opening how few students are majoring in liberal arts disciplines, with the exceptions being science and psychology. I guess it shouldn't be surprising given the high cost of college and economic uncertainty, but as a former social science major it makes me a bit sad.

Site: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/

You cannot find an English department in this country that doesn't overreach Renaissance and classical English literature studies and theory. No one is teaching "wokeness" full time. The wokest schools force as much Shakespeare, Milton, Joyce, Eliot, Dostoevsky, Homer, Faulkner as they possibly can on top of your shoulders. You may take a seminar in women writers or black writers but that isn't "wokeness"-just non-white men have also written books before.

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Anonymous wrote:Very few kids live in the DCUM bubble and can afford to major in something frivolous knowing that their school’s prestige and parental connections will ensure they do well anyway. Most kids are forced to be practical.

Yet many study the sciences...Not to be anti-intellectual, but many scientific pursuits are purely meaningless, require a PhD, and pay $30k-40k

So friggin true it hurts. Studying physics was great but possibly one of the most useless things I have done in my life. It is mostly a field that generates no profit and has been consistently a mess for the pass 50 years with little progress to the fundamental questions still lurking. Overall, I would not recommend a science degree over a mathematics or engineering pursuit.

Physics majors who actually do the work and understand it get immediate starting salaries of pushing $100K at investment banks, hedge funds, and consulting companies.

Pretty sure PP meant getting a job in actual physics...like working as a nuclear physicist at a power company (in theory, a growth area these days with the amount of energy required by AI)

Also, the physics majors recruited to investment banks come from only like 30 schools. You can be a straight A physics major at the University of Wyoming and will have almost zero chance of working for any of the firms you mentioned.

However, when people mention physics or philosophy or economics they miss the much bigger picture. It's more the folks you read about borrowing $40k to attend their regional college and majoring in something like early childhood musical therapy and then struggling through life (actual person just profiled) unable to ever get
a job in the field or making just minimum wage...liberal arts degrees that honestly just shouldn't exist or at least should be funded by an employer where a decent job awaits for you on completion.

My sibling got a physics degree from Cal and couldn't find a job. So they went back to school to get an masters in engineering, then got a job.

A friend of mine had a top PhD from MIT in astrophysics. She had to get a job turning tricks outside a Trader Joe's. Her clients were accountants, hedge fund workers, actuaries and other assorted money goblins.

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Anonymous wrote:Very few kids live in the DCUM bubble and can afford to major in something frivolous knowing that their school’s prestige and parental connections will ensure they do well anyway. Most kids are forced to be practical.

Yet many study the sciences...Not to be anti-intellectual, but many scientific pursuits are purely meaningless, require a PhD, and pay $30k-40k

So friggin true it hurts. Studying physics was great but possibly one of the most useless things I have done in my life. It is mostly a field that generates no profit and has been consistently a mess for the pass 50 years with little progress to the fundamental questions still lurking. Overall, I would not recommend a science degree over a mathematics or engineering pursuit.

Physics majors who actually do the work and understand it get immediate starting salaries of pushing $100K at investment banks, hedge funds, and consulting companies.

Pretty sure PP meant getting a job in actual physics...like working as a nuclear physicist at a power company (in theory, a growth area these days with the amount of energy required by AI)

Also, the physics majors recruited to investment banks come from only like 30 schools. You can be a straight A physics major at the University of Wyoming and will have almost zero chance of working for any of the firms you mentioned.

However, when people mention physics or philosophy or economics they miss the much bigger picture. It's more the folks you read about borrowing $40k to attend their regional college and majoring in something like early childhood musical therapy and then struggling through life (actual person just profiled) unable to ever get
a job in the field or making just minimum wage...liberal arts degrees that honestly just shouldn't exist or at least should be funded by an employer where a decent job awaits for you on completion.

My sibling got a physics degree from Cal and couldn't find a job. So they went back to school to get an masters in engineering, then got a job.

A friend of mine had a top PhD from MIT in astrophysics. She had to get a job turning tricks outside a Trader Joe's. Her clients were accountants, hedge fund workers, actuaries and other assorted money goblins.

Most astrophysics programs these days tell you to go into software engineering. There's really not many career options for physicists. It's mostly lying to employers that you know more than you actually do, and then believing it because "physics"

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Anonymous wrote:Very few kids live in the DCUM bubble and can afford to major in something frivolous knowing that their school’s prestige and parental connections will ensure they do well anyway. Most kids are forced to be practical.

Yet many study the sciences...Not to be anti-intellectual, but many scientific pursuits are purely meaningless, require a PhD, and pay $30k-40k

So friggin true it hurts. Studying physics was great but possibly one of the most useless things I have done in my life. It is mostly a field that generates no profit and has been consistently a mess for the pass 50 years with little progress to the fundamental questions still lurking. Overall, I would not recommend a science degree over a mathematics or engineering pursuit.

Physics majors who actually do the work and understand it get immediate starting salaries of pushing $100K at investment banks, hedge funds, and consulting companies.

Pretty sure PP meant getting a job in actual physics...like working as a nuclear physicist at a power company (in theory, a growth area these days with the amount of energy required by AI)

Also, the physics majors recruited to investment banks come from only like 30 schools. You can be a straight A physics major at the University of Wyoming and will have almost zero chance of working for any of the firms you mentioned.

However, when people mention physics or philosophy or economics they miss the much bigger picture. It's more the folks you read about borrowing $40k to attend their regional college and majoring in something like early childhood musical therapy and then struggling through life (actual person just profiled) unable to ever get
a job in the field or making just minimum wage...liberal arts degrees that honestly just shouldn't exist or at least should be funded by an employer where a decent job awaits for you on completion.

My sibling got a physics degree from Cal and couldn't find a job. So they went back to school to get an masters in engineering, then got a job.

A friend of mine had a top PhD from MIT in astrophysics. She had to get a job turning tricks outside a Trader Joe's. Her clients were accountants, hedge fund workers, actuaries and other assorted money goblins.

Whether fake or real, how is Trader Joe's part of this story? Enquiring minds want to know!

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Anonymous wrote:Very few kids live in the DCUM bubble and can afford to major in something frivolous knowing that their school’s prestige and parental connections will ensure they do well anyway. Most kids are forced to be practical.

Yet many study the sciences...Not to be anti-intellectual, but many scientific pursuits are purely meaningless, require a PhD, and pay $30k-40k

So friggin true it hurts. Studying physics was great but possibly one of the most useless things I have done in my life. It is mostly a field that generates no profit and has been consistently a mess for the pass 50 years with little progress to the fundamental questions still lurking. Overall, I would not recommend a science degree over a mathematics or engineering pursuit.

Physics majors who actually do the work and understand it get immediate starting salaries of pushing $100K at investment banks, hedge funds, and consulting companies.

Pretty sure PP meant getting a job in actual physics...like working as a nuclear physicist at a power company (in theory, a growth area these days with the amount of energy required by AI)

Also, the physics majors recruited to investment banks come from only like 30 schools. You can be a straight A physics major at the University of Wyoming and will have almost zero chance of working for any of the firms you mentioned.

However, when people mention physics or philosophy or economics they miss the much bigger picture. It's more the folks you read about borrowing $40k to attend their regional college and majoring in something like early childhood musical therapy and then struggling through life (actual person just profiled) unable to ever get
a job in the field or making just minimum wage...liberal arts degrees that honestly just shouldn't exist or at least should be funded by an employer where a decent job awaits for you on completion.

My sibling got a physics degree from Cal and couldn't find a job. So they went back to school to get an masters in engineering, then got a job.

A friend of mine had a top PhD from MIT in astrophysics. She had to get a job turning tricks outside a Trader Joe's. Her clients were accountants, hedge fund workers, actuaries and other assorted money goblins.

Whether fake or real, how is Trader Joe's part of this story? Enquiring minds want to know!

Yeah, wouldn't it be more lucrative to hang out around the high-end strip clubs for this. I can't imagine it is great business to turn tricks outside a Trader Joe's.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:While the liberal arts face a headwind because of STEM, they also hurt themselves by shifting from Shakespeare and Plato toward wokeness. It's a different kind of person who goes for what liberal arts are today and there aren't as many of them.

Anonymous wrote:I was looking up colleges on this government College Navigator site and it was somewhat eye-opening how few students are majoring in liberal arts disciplines, with the exceptions being science and psychology. I guess it shouldn't be surprising given the high cost of college and economic uncertainty, but as a former social science major it makes me a bit sad.

Site: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/

Half of STEM is a liberal art.

I've been wondering why nobody has pointed this out...

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Anonymous wrote:Very few kids live in the DCUM bubble and can afford to major in something frivolous knowing that their school’s prestige and parental connections will ensure they do well anyway. Most kids are forced to be practical.

Yet many study the sciences...Not to be anti-intellectual, but many scientific pursuits are purely meaningless, require a PhD, and pay $30k-40k

So friggin true it hurts. Studying physics was great but possibly one of the most useless things I have done in my life. It is mostly a field that generates no profit and has been consistently a mess for the pass 50 years with little progress to the fundamental questions still lurking. Overall, I would not recommend a science degree over a mathematics or engineering pursuit.

Physics majors who actually do the work and understand it get immediate starting salaries of pushing $100K at investment banks, hedge funds, and consulting companies.

Pretty sure PP meant getting a job in actual physics...like working as a nuclear physicist at a power company (in theory, a growth area these days with the amount of energy required by AI)

Also, the physics majors recruited to investment banks come from only like 30 schools. You can be a straight A physics major at the University of Wyoming and will have almost zero chance of working for any of the firms you mentioned.

However, when people mention physics or philosophy or economics they miss the much bigger picture. It's more the folks you read about borrowing $40k to attend their regional college and majoring in something like early childhood musical therapy and then struggling through life (actual person just profiled) unable to ever get
a job in the field or making just minimum wage...liberal arts degrees that honestly just shouldn't exist or at least should be funded by an employer where a decent job awaits for you on completion.

My sibling got a physics degree from Cal and couldn't find a job. So they went back to school to get an masters in engineering, then got a job.

A friend of mine had a top PhD from MIT in astrophysics. She had to get a job turning tricks outside a Trader Joe's. Her clients were accountants, hedge fund workers, actuaries and other assorted money goblins.

Whether fake or real, how is Trader Joe's part of this story? Enquiring minds want to know!

Yeah, wouldn't it be more lucrative to hang out around the high-end strip clubs for this. I can't imagine it is great business to turn tricks outside a Trader Joe's.

Yeah, not a lot of male "accountants, hedge fund workers, actuaries and other assorted money goblins" wandering around TJ's. Their wives, maybe.