MoCo plastic bag ban and tax increase on paper bags

[Anonymous]

I just bring my own bags and have for a decade. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County hasn’t met a tax idea it won’t pass.

This. Why tax paper bags 10 cents? They are usually made from recycled paper, and can easily be recycled or composted.

Because it’s not about the environment. It’s not about reducing amount of bags.

Montgomery County sees its citizens as cash cows. They were find everything and anything, (including the rain!) to tax. And the citizens keep voting in the same people. Montgomery County will present this tax as a virtuous and necessary tax to “protect the environment” and obviously if you’re against it, then you are against the environment therefore a terrible human being.

This new tax will be used to fund unnecessary pet projects.

And before you accuse me of being Maga and a right winger, I’m not. I bring my own bags and when I do get a plastic bag, it’s always reused that’s a trash bag.

It actually is about reducing the amount of bags.

Also, nobody is taxing rain. The state tax was about stormwater runoff from your property, which has to be dealt with somehow; who do you think should pay for dealing with stormwater runoff from your property, if not you?

[Anonymous]

I have been using the same structured reusable bags from Giant for 23 years. I bring them to the grocery store (or any store) when I'm shopping. It's very easy. I'm sure over the years I have kept hundreds of plastic bags out of landfills. The structured bags are also easier to pack and hold more. You can just keep them in the trunk of your car or by the door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County hasn’t met a tax idea it won’t pass.

This. Why tax paper bags 10 cents? They are usually made from recycled paper, and can easily be recycled or composted.

Because it’s not about the environment. It’s not about reducing amount of bags.

Montgomery County sees its citizens as cash cows. They were find everything and anything, (including the rain!) to tax. And the citizens keep voting in the same people. Montgomery County will present this tax as a virtuous and necessary tax to “protect the environment” and obviously if you’re against it, then you are against the environment therefore a terrible human being.

This new tax will be used to fund unnecessary pet projects.

And before you accuse me of being Maga and a right winger, I’m not. I bring my own bags and when I do get a plastic bag, it’s always reused that’s a trash bag.

It actually is about reducing the amount of bags.

Also, nobody is taxing rain. The state tax was about stormwater runoff from your property, which has to be dealt with somehow; who do you think should pay for dealing with stormwater runoff from your property, if not you?

The Office of the Inspector General's report on this issue has shown that the bag tax has not been effective and plastic bag use has actually increased since the bag tax took effect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have been using the same structured reusable bags from Giant for 23 years. I bring them to the grocery store (or any store) when I'm shopping. It's very easy. I'm sure over the years I have kept hundreds of plastic bags out of landfills. The structured bags are also easier to pack and hold more. You can just keep them in the trunk of your car or by the door.

Congratulations. Still doesn't mean the Council should be abusing its power to ban single use plastic bags. Sometimes they're needed and paper bags are awful for cold/wet items.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County hasn’t met a tax idea it won’t pass.

This. Why tax paper bags 10 cents? They are usually made from recycled paper, and can easily be recycled or composted.

Because it’s not about the environment. It’s not about reducing amount of bags.

Montgomery County sees its citizens as cash cows. They were find everything and anything, (including the rain!) to tax. And the citizens keep voting in the same people. Montgomery County will present this tax as a virtuous and necessary tax to “protect the environment” and obviously if you’re against it, then you are against the environment therefore a terrible human being.

This new tax will be used to fund unnecessary pet projects.

And before you accuse me of being Maga and a right winger, I’m not. I bring my own bags and when I do get a plastic bag, it’s always reused that’s a trash bag.

It actually is about reducing the amount of bags.

Also, nobody is taxing rain. The state tax was about stormwater runoff from your property, which has to be dealt with somehow; who do you think should pay for dealing with stormwater runoff from your property, if not you?

The Office of the Inspector General's report on this issue has shown that the bag tax has not been effective and plastic bag use has actually increased since the bag tax took effect.

Link please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been using the same structured reusable bags from Giant for 23 years. I bring them to the grocery store (or any store) when I'm shopping. It's very easy. I'm sure over the years I have kept hundreds of plastic bags out of landfills. The structured bags are also easier to pack and hold more. You can just keep them in the trunk of your car or by the door.

Congratulations. Still doesn't mean the Council should be abusing its power to ban single use plastic bags. Sometimes they're needed and paper bags are awful for cold/wet items.

Could you please explain how this is an abuse of the County Council's power?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County hasn’t met a tax idea it won’t pass.

This. Why tax paper bags 10 cents? They are usually made from recycled paper, and can easily be recycled or composted.

Because it’s not about the environment. It’s not about reducing amount of bags.

Montgomery County sees its citizens as cash cows. They were find everything and anything, (including the rain!) to tax. And the citizens keep voting in the same people. Montgomery County will present this tax as a virtuous and necessary tax to “protect the environment” and obviously if you’re against it, then you are against the environment therefore a terrible human being.

This new tax will be used to fund unnecessary pet projects.

And before you accuse me of being Maga and a right winger, I’m not. I bring my own bags and when I do get a plastic bag, it’s always reused that’s a trash bag.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OIG/Resources/Files/PDF/IGActivity/FY2023/OIG23-15.pdf. See pages 9-11 in particular.

It actually is about reducing the amount of bags.

Also, nobody is taxing rain. The state tax was about stormwater runoff from your property, which has to be dealt with somehow; who do you think should pay for dealing with stormwater runoff from your property, if not you?

The Office of the Inspector General's report on this issue has shown that the bag tax has not been effective and plastic bag use has actually increased since the bag tax took effect.

Link please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been using the same structured reusable bags from Giant for 23 years. I bring them to the grocery store (or any store) when I'm shopping. It's very easy. I'm sure over the years I have kept hundreds of plastic bags out of landfills. The structured bags are also easier to pack and hold more. You can just keep them in the trunk of your car or by the door.

Congratulations. Still doesn't mean the Council should be abusing its power to ban single use plastic bags. Sometimes they're needed and paper bags are awful for cold/wet items.

Could you please explain how this is an abuse of the County Council's power?

To ban an entire class of products, the government must show the action is supported by clear evidence and is narrowly tailored toward an achievable objective. The County Council hasn't shown this, as the OIG Report on this issue shows. The County Council shouldn't be doing this because it feels like something its good to do. It has to prove it before interfering with the marketplace in this drastic fashion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County hasn’t met a tax idea it won’t pass.

This. Why tax paper bags 10 cents? They are usually made from recycled paper, and can easily be recycled or composted.

Because it’s not about the environment. It’s not about reducing amount of bags.

Montgomery County sees its citizens as cash cows. They were find everything and anything, (including the rain!) to tax. And the citizens keep voting in the same people. Montgomery County will present this tax as a virtuous and necessary tax to “protect the environment” and obviously if you’re against it, then you are against the environment therefore a terrible human being.

This new tax will be used to fund unnecessary pet projects.

And before you accuse me of being Maga and a right winger, I’m not. I bring my own bags and when I do get a plastic bag, it’s always reused that’s a trash bag.

[url] https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OIG/Resources/Files/PDF/IGActivity/FY2023/OIG23-15.pdf

Pages 9-11 in particular.



It actually is about reducing the amount of bags.

Also, nobody is taxing rain. The state tax was about stormwater runoff from your property, which has to be dealt with somehow; who do you think should pay for dealing with stormwater runoff from your property, if not you?

The Office of the Inspector General's report on this issue has shown that the bag tax has not been effective and plastic bag use has actually increased since the bag tax took effect.

Link please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have been using the same structured reusable bags from Giant for 23 years. I bring them to the grocery store (or any store) when I'm shopping. It's very easy. I'm sure over the years I have kept hundreds of plastic bags out of landfills. The structured bags are also easier to pack and hold more. You can just keep them in the trunk of your car or by the door.

So very virtuous!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been using the same structured reusable bags from Giant for 23 years. I bring them to the grocery store (or any store) when I'm shopping. It's very easy. I'm sure over the years I have kept hundreds of plastic bags out of landfills. The structured bags are also easier to pack and hold more. You can just keep them in the trunk of your car or by the door.

Congratulations. Still doesn't mean the Council should be abusing its power to ban single use plastic bags. Sometimes they're needed and paper bags are awful for cold/wet items.

Could you please explain how this is an abuse of the County Council's power?

To ban an entire class of products, the government must show the action is supported by clear evidence and is narrowly tailored toward an achievable objective. The County Council hasn't shown this, as the OIG Report on this issue shows. The County Council shouldn't be doing this because it feels like something its good to do. It has to prove it before interfering with the marketplace in this drastic fashion.

Says who?

Speaking of interfering with the marketplace, how do you feel about the proposed zoning changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been using the same structured reusable bags from Giant for 23 years. I bring them to the grocery store (or any store) when I'm shopping. It's very easy. I'm sure over the years I have kept hundreds of plastic bags out of landfills. The structured bags are also easier to pack and hold more. You can just keep them in the trunk of your car or by the door.

So very virtuous!!

PP: My reusable bags are long-lasting, easy to use, and very convenient.
You: You're a virtue-signaling loser.

Okeydokey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been using the same structured reusable bags from Giant for 23 years. I bring them to the grocery store (or any store) when I'm shopping. It's very easy. I'm sure over the years I have kept hundreds of plastic bags out of landfills. The structured bags are also easier to pack and hold more. You can just keep them in the trunk of your car or by the door.

Congratulations. Still doesn't mean the Council should be abusing its power to ban single use plastic bags. Sometimes they're needed and paper bags are awful for cold/wet items.

Could you please explain how this is an abuse of the County Council's power?

To ban an entire class of products, the government must show the action is supported by clear evidence and is narrowly tailored toward an achievable objective. The County Council hasn't shown this, as the OIG Report on this issue shows. The County Council shouldn't be doing this because it feels like something its good to do. It has to prove it before interfering with the marketplace in this drastic fashion.

Says who?

Speaking of interfering with the marketplace, how do you feel about the proposed zoning changes?

Well, if you like a government exercising its power over citizens arbitrarily and without evidence, that's a choice I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County hasn’t met a tax idea it won’t pass.

This. Why tax paper bags 10 cents? They are usually made from recycled paper, and can easily be recycled or composted.

Because it’s not about the environment. It’s not about reducing amount of bags.

Montgomery County sees its citizens as cash cows. They were find everything and anything, (including the rain!) to tax. And the citizens keep voting in the same people. Montgomery County will present this tax as a virtuous and necessary tax to “protect the environment” and obviously if you’re against it, then you are against the environment therefore a terrible human being.

This new tax will be used to fund unnecessary pet projects.

And before you accuse me of being Maga and a right winger, I’m not. I bring my own bags and when I do get a plastic bag, it’s always reused that’s a trash bag.

It actually is about reducing the amount of bags.

Also, nobody is taxing rain. The state tax was about stormwater runoff from your property, which has to be dealt with somehow; who do you think should pay for dealing with stormwater runoff from your property, if not you?

The Office of the Inspector General's report on this issue has shown that the bag tax has not been effective and plastic bag use has actually increased since the bag tax took effect.

Has population increased? What about other contributing factors?