Do you think your kids' travel sports coach knows the rules?

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Anonymous wrote:I sense many coaches don’t understand the rules, especially when it is nuanced. For example, in soccer there are very specific rules on how refs should deal with injured players. Most coaches, parents, and players don’t understand these rules and they end up screaming at refs as a result.

The angriest that I've ever seen my DD's coach is when the ref wouldn't stop play after two player collided going for a header. It's the only time I ever saw him go after a ref

Why should a referee stop play in that case? Were there obvious injuries? I assume collisions are commonplace when competing for headers?

In softball, I'll only kill a play when there's a obvious medical emergency type injury -- like a pitcher takes a line drive to the face and a nose explodes in blood or something (yes, I've seen it happen -- which is why I'm a big proponent of fielders' masks). But the run-of-the-mill girl takes a hard grounder off her shin, I'll allow time when the play is over but I'm not killing a play prematurely.

When kids collide heads and are on the ground? Any league sanctioned by us soccer is supposed to stop play for possible head injuries

That was not what was specifically described. If there is the potential for serious injury then play stops. If the injured player could impede play, or if there is a natural break in play then play stops. A player behind the direction of play without a serious injury does not stop play until the next natural break in play.

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Anonymous wrote:I sense many coaches don’t understand the rules, especially when it is nuanced. For example, in soccer there are very specific rules on how refs should deal with injured players. Most coaches, parents, and players don’t understand these rules and they end up screaming at refs as a result.

The angriest that I've ever seen my DD's coach is when the ref wouldn't stop play after two player collided going for a header. It's the only time I ever saw him go after a ref

Why should a referee stop play in that case? Were there obvious injuries? I assume collisions are commonplace when competing for headers?

In softball, I'll only kill a play when there's a obvious medical emergency type injury -- like a pitcher takes a line drive to the face and a nose explodes in blood or something (yes, I've seen it happen -- which is why I'm a big proponent of fielders' masks). But the run-of-the-mill girl takes a hard grounder off her shin, I'll allow time when the play is over but I'm not killing a play prematurely.

When kids collide heads and are on the ground? Any league sanctioned by us soccer is supposed to stop play for possible head injuries

That was not what was specifically described. If there is the potential for serious injury then play stops. If the injured player could impede play, or if there is a natural break in play then play stops. A player behind the direction of play without a serious injury does not stop play until the next natural break in play.

An athlete who experiences a blow to the head or body should immediately be removed for play and should not return to play until he/she is evaluated. When in doubt, the athlete should sit out.

https://www.recognizetorecover.org/head-and-brain#concussions

Two players colliding going for a header is the most common cause of head injuries in soccer and referees should know it

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Anonymous wrote:I sense many coaches don’t understand the rules, especially when it is nuanced. For example, in soccer there are very specific rules on how refs should deal with injured players. Most coaches, parents, and players don’t understand these rules and they end up screaming at refs as a result.

The angriest that I've ever seen my DD's coach is when the ref wouldn't stop play after two player collided going for a header. It's the only time I ever saw him go after a ref

Why should a referee stop play in that case? Were there obvious injuries? I assume collisions are commonplace when competing for headers?

In softball, I'll only kill a play when there's a obvious medical emergency type injury -- like a pitcher takes a line drive to the face and a nose explodes in blood or something (yes, I've seen it happen -- which is why I'm a big proponent of fielders' masks). But the run-of-the-mill girl takes a hard grounder off her shin, I'll allow time when the play is over but I'm not killing a play prematurely.

When kids collide heads and are on the ground? Any league sanctioned by us soccer is supposed to stop play for possible head injuries

PP only said "collide" not "knock heads."

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Anonymous wrote:I sense many coaches don’t understand the rules, especially when it is nuanced. For example, in soccer there are very specific rules on how refs should deal with injured players. Most coaches, parents, and players don’t understand these rules and they end up screaming at refs as a result.

The angriest that I've ever seen my DD's coach is when the ref wouldn't stop play after two player collided going for a header. It's the only time I ever saw him go after a ref

Why should a referee stop play in that case? Were there obvious injuries? I assume collisions are commonplace when competing for headers?

In softball, I'll only kill a play when there's a obvious medical emergency type injury -- like a pitcher takes a line drive to the face and a nose explodes in blood or something (yes, I've seen it happen -- which is why I'm a big proponent of fielders' masks). But the run-of-the-mill girl takes a hard grounder off her shin, I'll allow time when the play is over but I'm not killing a play prematurely.

When kids collide heads and are on the ground? Any league sanctioned by us soccer is supposed to stop play for possible head injuries

PP only said "collide" not "knock heads."

PP said "collided going for a header." I think the implication was pretty clear.

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Anonymous wrote:I sense many coaches don’t understand the rules, especially when it is nuanced. For example, in soccer there are very specific rules on how refs should deal with injured players. Most coaches, parents, and players don’t understand these rules and they end up screaming at refs as a result.

The angriest that I've ever seen my DD's coach is when the ref wouldn't stop play after two player collided going for a header. It's the only time I ever saw him go after a ref

Why should a referee stop play in that case? Were there obvious injuries? I assume collisions are commonplace when competing for headers?

In softball, I'll only kill a play when there's a obvious medical emergency type injury -- like a pitcher takes a line drive to the face and a nose explodes in blood or something (yes, I've seen it happen -- which is why I'm a big proponent of fielders' masks). But the run-of-the-mill girl takes a hard grounder off her shin, I'll allow time when the play is over but I'm not killing a play prematurely.

When kids collide heads and are on the ground? Any league sanctioned by us soccer is supposed to stop play for possible head injuries

That was not what was specifically described. If there is the potential for serious injury then play stops. If the injured player could impede play, or if there is a natural break in play then play stops. A player behind the direction of play without a serious injury does not stop play until the next natural break in play.

An athlete who experiences a blow to the head or body should immediately be removed for play and should not return to play until he/she is evaluated. When in doubt, the athlete should sit out.

https://www.recognizetorecover.org/head-and-brain#concussions

Two players colliding going for a header is the most common cause of head injuries in soccer and referees should know it

I agree with you but the PP didn’t specifically say they hit heads. They could have hit shoulders and fallen down with no injury. Or they could have hit shoulders, fallen down, and one player gotten the wind knocked out of her.

I agree concussion management is important and if two kids hit heads play should be stopped. I can also imagine 100 scenarios where kids “collide” in a headers that doesn’t involve heads hitting each other or a possible concussion.

People aren’t being ignorant, they just aren’t over reading into what was described.

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Anonymous wrote:I sense many coaches don’t understand the rules, especially when it is nuanced. For example, in soccer there are very specific rules on how refs should deal with injured players. Most coaches, parents, and players don’t understand these rules and they end up screaming at refs as a result.

The angriest that I've ever seen my DD's coach is when the ref wouldn't stop play after two player collided going for a header. It's the only time I ever saw him go after a ref

Why should a referee stop play in that case? Were there obvious injuries? I assume collisions are commonplace when competing for headers?

In softball, I'll only kill a play when there's a obvious medical emergency type injury -- like a pitcher takes a line drive to the face and a nose explodes in blood or something (yes, I've seen it happen -- which is why I'm a big proponent of fielders' masks). But the run-of-the-mill girl takes a hard grounder off her shin, I'll allow time when the play is over but I'm not killing a play prematurely.

When kids collide heads and are on the ground? Any league sanctioned by us soccer is supposed to stop play for possible head injuries

That was not what was specifically described. If there is the potential for serious injury then play stops. If the injured player could impede play, or if there is a natural break in play then play stops. A player behind the direction of play without a serious injury does not stop play until the next natural break in play.

An athlete who experiences a blow to the head or body should immediately be removed for play and should not return to play until he/she is evaluated. When in doubt, the athlete should sit out.

https://www.recognizetorecover.org/head-and-brain#concussions

Two players colliding going for a header is the most common cause of head injuries in soccer and referees should know it

I agree with you but the PP didn’t specifically say they hit heads. They could have hit shoulders and fallen down with no injury. Or they could have hit shoulders, fallen down, and one player gotten the wind knocked out of her.

I agree concussion management is important and if two kids hit heads play should be stopped. I can also imagine 100 scenarios where kids “collide” in a headers that doesn’t involve heads hitting each other or a possible concussion.

People aren’t being ignorant, they just aren’t over reading into what was described.

Most parents have little to no training in concussion identification, and refs aren't much better. Most leagues/tournaments do have rules that say that any forceful contact or any jolt to the players head is an immediate stoppage. That includes players that hit their head hard when the land on the ground. U.S. Soccer does have the rule that players suspected of a concussion can be substituted freely.

Most refs will immediately stop play on head-to-head contact but not on other plays that can cause a concussion. When a ref does stop play to evaluate the player for non-head-to-head contact we've seen parents get upset that play was stopped. That mindset baffles me...if it was their kid they would clearly be concerned for their health, but when its someone else's kid they think the game is more important.

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Anonymous wrote:I sense many coaches don’t understand the rules, especially when it is nuanced. For example, in soccer there are very specific rules on how refs should deal with injured players. Most coaches, parents, and players don’t understand these rules and they end up screaming at refs as a result.

The angriest that I've ever seen my DD's coach is when the ref wouldn't stop play after two player collided going for a header. It's the only time I ever saw him go after a ref

Why should a referee stop play in that case? Were there obvious injuries? I assume collisions are commonplace when competing for headers?

In softball, I'll only kill a play when there's a obvious medical emergency type injury -- like a pitcher takes a line drive to the face and a nose explodes in blood or something (yes, I've seen it happen -- which is why I'm a big proponent of fielders' masks). But the run-of-the-mill girl takes a hard grounder off her shin, I'll allow time when the play is over but I'm not killing a play prematurely.

When kids collide heads and are on the ground? Any league sanctioned by us soccer is supposed to stop play for possible head injuries

PP only said "collide" not "knock heads."

PP said "collided going for a header." I think the implication was pretty clear.

It wasn’t. Next question.

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Anonymous wrote:I sense many coaches don’t understand the rules, especially when it is nuanced. For example, in soccer there are very specific rules on how refs should deal with injured players. Most coaches, parents, and players don’t understand these rules and they end up screaming at refs as a result.

The angriest that I've ever seen my DD's coach is when the ref wouldn't stop play after two player collided going for a header. It's the only time I ever saw him go after a ref

Why should a referee stop play in that case? Were there obvious injuries? I assume collisions are commonplace when competing for headers?

In softball, I'll only kill a play when there's a obvious medical emergency type injury -- like a pitcher takes a line drive to the face and a nose explodes in blood or something (yes, I've seen it happen -- which is why I'm a big proponent of fielders' masks). But the run-of-the-mill girl takes a hard grounder off her shin, I'll allow time when the play is over but I'm not killing a play prematurely.

When kids collide heads and are on the ground? Any league sanctioned by us soccer is supposed to stop play for possible head injuries

That was not what was specifically described. If there is the potential for serious injury then play stops. If the injured player could impede play, or if there is a natural break in play then play stops. A player behind the direction of play without a serious injury does not stop play until the next natural break in play.

An athlete who experiences a blow to the head or body should immediately be removed for play and should not return to play until he/she is evaluated. When in doubt, the athlete should sit out.

https://www.recognizetorecover.org/head-and-brain#concussions

Two players colliding going for a header is the most common cause of head injuries in soccer and referees should know it

I agree with you but the PP didn’t specifically say they hit heads. They could have hit shoulders and fallen down with no injury. Or they could have hit shoulders, fallen down, and one player gotten the wind knocked out of her.

I agree concussion management is important and if two kids hit heads play should be stopped. I can also imagine 100 scenarios where kids “collide” in a headers that doesn’t involve heads hitting each other or a possible concussion.

People aren’t being ignorant, they just aren’t over reading into what was described.

Most parents have little to no training in concussion identification, and refs aren't much better. Most leagues/tournaments do have rules that say that any forceful contact or any jolt to the players head is an immediate stoppage. That includes players that hit their head hard when the land on the ground. U.S. Soccer does have the rule that players suspected of a concussion can be substituted freely.

Most refs will immediately stop play on head-to-head contact but not on other plays that can cause a concussion. When a ref does stop play to evaluate the player for non-head-to-head contact we've seen parents get upset that play was stopped. That mindset baffles me...if it was their kid they would clearly be concerned for their health, but when its someone else's kid they think the game is more important.

Sure, in the game, but what about all the hours in practice and or at clinics. That is why the question is important. When such dangerous play boils over into the game, you know they were doing it in practice.