This is painful

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "wow. Who cares. It was almost correct " posters are the reasons we lag behind the rest of the world. You have to expect your own educators to be able tonproduce work that is correct.

Also, it wasn't just that one error. It was very poorly written. Plug the passage into chat gpt and it will explain why.

Thank goodness we have you to explain why Americans are behind! It is obviously because one school's administrative team (that you won't even share) wrote percent instead of percentage points in their school improvement plan.

Why are school teams even bothering to write this stuff? They should spend some time working with central office to figure out how to get discipline back in the classrooms. Maybe Americans are lagging because teachers aren't able to teach with the unruly students in elementary. Or maybe we can consider that it's an impossible task to try to teach one class with levels ranging from intellectual disabilities up through gifted. Homeschool model is a failure and is much more likely to be leading to lagging behind other classrooms as compared to a goal that is not written to your standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what is MAP meeting benchmark mean? Our school sent a letter tot the community saying 49% 5th grader MAP-P meeting benchmark, what does that mean? 51% kids failed?

Yes, it would mean that, but 5th graders don't take MAP-P

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "wow. Who cares. It was almost correct " posters are the reasons we lag behind the rest of the world. You have to expect your own educators to be able tonproduce work that is correct.

Also, it wasn't just that one error. It was very poorly written. Plug the passage into chat gpt and it will explain why.

Thank goodness we have you to explain why Americans are behind! It is obviously because one school's administrative team (that you won't even share) wrote percent instead of percentage points in their school improvement plan.

Why are school teams even bothering to write this stuff? They should spend some time working with central office to figure out how to get discipline back in the classrooms. Maybe Americans are lagging because teachers aren't able to teach with the unruly students in elementary. Or maybe we can consider that it's an impossible task to try to teach one class with levels ranging from intellectual disabilities up through gifted. Homeschool model is a failure and is much more likely to be leading to lagging behind other classrooms as compared to a goal that is not written to your standards.

Americans are "lagging" because American schools have the audacity to let difficult to educate children attend school in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we are all super concerned that the school missed one word? Even though everyone reading it can fully understand what is being stated? Got it.

And we wonder why people don’t want to go into teaching.

TBH, what annoys me is that the school will invest extra time and resources into only Hispanic students to meet this goal rather than just trying to help everyone. To me, that’s the problem. My friend who is a teacher calls this out all the time- she says that she is told to only worry about her “black and brown babies.” She says that even though her class is 75% white and that some of those white kids struggle just as much as the POC kids, they are truly not worried about. That was eye opening to me and is way more concerning than a school leaving out a word in their goal.

That was not a typo. Whoever wrote it doesn’t understand the concept.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So we are all super concerned that the school missed one word? Even though everyone reading it can fully understand what is being stated? Got it.

And we wonder why people don’t want to go into teaching.

TBH, what annoys me is that the school will invest extra time and resources into only Hispanic students to meet this goal rather than just trying to help everyone. To me, that’s the problem. My friend who is a teacher calls this out all the time- she says that she is told to only worry about her “black and brown babies.” She says that even though her class is 75% white and that some of those white kids struggle just as much as the POC kids, they are truly not worried about. That was eye opening to me and is way more concerning than a school leaving out a word in their goal.

The way the state monitors performance ensures that if you have even one group underperforming, it doesn’t matter if the others are doing well.

Hispanic kids could count as multiple groups under performing. Here, the focus is on Hispanic and Farms so they already count as two groups. Many also will be EMLs. So they will count as three groups. If any of those kids also have SN, they count as four groups. I’ve watched a pair of siblings and a third child tip our whole school into failure to make adequate progress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The "wow. Who cares. It was almost correct " posters are the reasons we lag behind the rest of the world. You have to expect your own educators to be able tonproduce work that is correct.

Also, it wasn't just that one error. It was very poorly written. Plug the passage into chat gpt and it will explain why.

Thank goodness we have you to explain why Americans are behind! It is obviously because one school's administrative team (that you won't even share) wrote percent instead of percentage points in their school improvement plan.

Why are school teams even bothering to write this stuff? They should spend some time working with central office to figure out how to get discipline back in the classrooms. Maybe Americans are lagging because teachers aren't able to teach with the unruly students in elementary. Or maybe we can consider that it's an impossible task to try to teach one class with levels ranging from intellectual disabilities up through gifted. Homeschool model is a failure and is much more likely to be leading to lagging behind other classrooms as compared to a goal that is not written to your standards.

You were not responding to a post from me. There are multiple people posting on this thread. -OP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So we are all super concerned that the school missed one word? Even though everyone reading it can fully understand what is being stated? Got it.

And we wonder why people don’t want to go into teaching.

TBH, what annoys me is that the school will invest extra time and resources into only Hispanic students to meet this goal rather than just trying to help everyone. To me, that’s the problem. My friend who is a teacher calls this out all the time- she says that she is told to only worry about her “black and brown babies.” She says that even though her class is 75% white and that some of those white kids struggle just as much as the POC kids, they are truly not worried about. That was eye opening to me and is way more concerning than a school leaving out a word in their goal.

If you understand the math, this is not a "typo" or "missing word" you could make. So there are two possibilities:

1) They don't know the math.

2) They know the math and realize how absolutely freaking ridiculous it will sound to say they will increase the pass rate by 180%, so they decide to fudge it with the language and hope no one notices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we are all super concerned that the school missed one word? Even though everyone reading it can fully understand what is being stated? Got it.

And we wonder why people don’t want to go into teaching.

TBH, what annoys me is that the school will invest extra time and resources into only Hispanic students to meet this goal rather than just trying to help everyone. To me, that’s the problem. My friend who is a teacher calls this out all the time- she says that she is told to only worry about her “black and brown babies.” She says that even though her class is 75% white and that some of those white kids struggle just as much as the POC kids, they are truly not worried about. That was eye opening to me and is way more concerning than a school leaving out a word in their goal.

If you understand the math, this is not a "typo" or "missing word" you could make. So there are two possibilities:

1) They don't know the math.

2) They know the math and realize how absolutely freaking ridiculous it will sound to say they will increase the pass rate by 180%, so they decide to fudge it with the language and hope no one notices.

+1. I’m going to go with the former because they would want the lowest possible bar to clear.

[Anonymous]

But here’s the thing- they’re not even comparing apples to apples. Just because a group of Hispanic children scored something one year, how does that predict a completely different group’s success rate the following year?

I feel like this is just busy work for the admin and probably not taken too seriously. I mean, MCPS has the curriculum and they’re not changing it to help kids meet the proficiency scores, so isn’t it just hoping that this next group is better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But here’s the thing- they’re not even comparing apples to apples. Just because a group of Hispanic children scored something one year, how does that predict a completely different group’s success rate the following year?

I feel like this is just busy work for the admin and probably not taken too seriously. I mean, MCPS has the curriculum and they’re not changing it to help kids meet the proficiency scores, so isn’t it just hoping that this next group is better?

It’s not just about what curriculum you have. You could have the best curriculum in the world, and if it’s not taught well, it won’t matter. Implementation matters.

[Anonymous]

Even if it is taught well, not everyone will get it. Many of these students are probably ESOL students. This group of students probably has the worst attendance issues too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if it is taught well, not everyone will get it. Many of these students are probably ESOL students. This group of students probably has the worst attendance issues too.

Which means that the data needs to be broken down into something meaningful. Because EML students who attend class will make progress vs those who are chronically absent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if it is taught well, not everyone will get it. Many of these students are probably ESOL students. This group of students probably has the worst attendance issues too.

Which means that the data needs to be broken down into something meaningful. Because EML students who attend class will make progress vs those who are chronically absent.

Absolutely — the MAP report for teachers is much more detailed and can used to tailor instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we are all super concerned that the school missed one word? Even though everyone reading it can fully understand what is being stated? Got it.

And we wonder why people don’t want to go into teaching.

TBH, what annoys me is that the school will invest extra time and resources into only Hispanic students to meet this goal rather than just trying to help everyone. To me, that’s the problem. My friend who is a teacher calls this out all the time- she says that she is told to only worry about her “black and brown babies.” She says that even though her class is 75% white and that some of those white kids struggle just as much as the POC kids, they are truly not worried about. That was eye opening to me and is way more concerning than a school leaving out a word in their goal.

The way the state monitors performance ensures that if you have even one group underperforming, it doesn’t matter if the others are doing well.

Hispanic kids could count as multiple groups under performing. Here, the focus is on Hispanic and Farms so they already count as two groups. Many also will be EMLs. So they will count as three groups. If any of those kids also have SN, they count as four groups. I’ve watched a pair of siblings and a third child tip our whole school into failure to make adequate progress.

That all flows from No Child Left Behinf, a federal law, so not the state’s fault. The whole premise of NCLB was that looking only a aggregate across school or district allowed many kids of certain races or income level to be entirely left behind in the educational process, so it requires all that disaggregating of data and for adequate progress to be made for each population subgroup.