Engineering- importance of going top 10

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's important to go to the highest ranked schools for internship opportunities and hen ultimate hiring

Brand and cache matter for top tech recruiting, if one wants to have access to startup /innovation funding as an undergrad, and if one wants to go to top phDs in Engineering. The name-brand schools that launch into managerial and CEO type roles and also into top phDs are the top20 national universities. These schools often have 97% retention in Engineering for undergrad and can push their undergrads into much more advanced math by second year than others, AND have on-site paid research jobs that students can get in summer or during the school year. The Engineering students at these schools commonly have research experience by the middle of sophomore year and get top internships after junior year(or more research if aiming PhD).

MIT, CalTech, CMU, Stanford, Princeton, Upenn, Cornell, Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Rice, Berkeley, Michigan, Georgia Tech. These are the top schools in Engineering for those who want leadership /top-of-the field jobs, not middle-management worker-bee Engineering.
I went to one of these schools, sold the first company to larger silicon valley co, and am involved in pre-interview screening. Spouse is a VP software engineer at a company that works out of Boston and they only send recruiters to a subset of this list, to get "the best of the best". The hiring has slowed in tech (especially CS--not what I hire), but Engineers from top tier schools are in high demand. We care what math and physics they have completed before internships: we sometimes grab sophomores from these schools. We consider other schools, of course, but for undergrad these are the preferred schools that deliver prepared students. We want thinkers and innovators who have top math skills.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Got my PhD from Georgia Tech in ChemE but at work, folks only care about if you are from an Ivy, Stanford. I work in Government as a civilian and we spending so much money on DEI and still only Ivy folks get selected.

I think I know why you are not getting promoted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Got my PhD from Georgia Tech in ChemE but at work, folks only care about if you are from an Ivy, Stanford. I work in Government as a civilian and we spending so much money on DEI and still only Ivy folks get selected.

I think I know why you are not getting promoted.

Why?

Been through Obama folks, then Trump people, then Biden people … must say the republicans were the nicest …

[Anonymous]

I have three millennial family members who are engineers. None went to a top 10 school but all went on to get PhDs in engineeerjng from top schools and have great jobs. I don’t know what to make of that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know conventional wisdom is that it doesn’t matter where you go as long it’s abet certified, but beyond that, what really is the difference between a Purdue or Michigan vs Ohio state or Penn state vs Pitt. Are the top 10 worth striving for and then beyond that it doesn’t matter? Should you go to Penn state rather Pitt because of ranking? Surely the “top” schools offer something more? Or are rankings in this area basically meaningless?

It is really about what state you want to be licensed in and work in. If you want to work in Michigan go to Michigan. If you want to work in Ohio go to OSU. If you want to work in Pa go to Penn State or Pitt.

Ultimately it is about passing the state licensing exam and being able to work in that state.

What ? This advice is whack. I know a chem engineer that just graduated from UVA and got a job in PA. I know lots of engineers that go to school in the north and move south for the gas and petroleum fields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Got my PhD from Georgia Tech in ChemE but at work, folks only care about if you are from an Ivy, Stanford. I work in Government as a civilian and we spending so much money on DEI and still only Ivy folks get selected.

Are your colleagues engineers? Do you mean ivy engineers are picked over Georgia Tech? That shocks me only because GT is a top tier engineering school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know conventional wisdom is that it doesn’t matter where you go as long it’s abet certified, but beyond that, what really is the difference between a Purdue or Michigan vs Ohio state or Penn state vs Pitt. Are the top 10 worth striving for and then beyond that it doesn’t matter? Should you go to Penn state rather Pitt because of ranking? Surely the “top” schools offer something more? Or are rankings in this area basically meaningless?

It is really about what state you want to be licensed in and work in. If you want to work in Michigan go to Michigan. If you want to work in Ohio go to OSU. If you want to work in Pa go to Penn State or Pitt.

Ultimately it is about passing the state licensing exam and being able to work in that state.

What ? This advice is whack. I know a chem engineer that just graduated from UVA and got a job in PA. I know lots of engineers that go to school in the north and move south for the gas and petroleum fields.

+1
Most engineers will not have to do this, only certain ares of engineering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Got my PhD from Georgia Tech in ChemE but at work, folks only care about if you are from an Ivy, Stanford. I work in Government as a civilian and we spending so much money on DEI and still only Ivy folks get selected.

Are your colleagues engineers? Do you mean ivy engineers are picked over Georgia Tech? That shocks me only because GT is a top tier engineering school

With any Tech degree - you need soft skills as well; guess what got kids into Ivy Grad School? With a tech degree the two highest paying jobs start at the people end - Sales Engineering, then consulting, then engineering, ... I went to interviews where they said they prefer Ivy over MIT or Caltech because they find better people skills. I've hired/rejected UVA CS Grads because of people skills.

If you are outside Georgia - GT is ranked up there; you probably need an MBA network class or such.

You are correct - when you are blindly sending resumes right before graduation then yes - the Ivies matter. After 1-2 years, if you have "Ivy" on your resume then you have a target to hit. The expectation is that you need to perform better than a GMU or VCU kid. The GMU/VCU kid might make lower than you - initially, so you better bring it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's important to go to the highest ranked schools for internship opportunities and hen ultimate hiring

Brand and cache matter for top tech recruiting, if one wants to have access to startup /innovation funding as an undergrad, and if one wants to go to top phDs in Engineering. The name-brand schools that launch into managerial and CEO type roles and also into top phDs are the top20 national universities. These schools often have 97% retention in Engineering for undergrad and can push their undergrads into much more advanced math by second year than others, AND have on-site paid research jobs that students can get in summer or during the school year. The Engineering students at these schools commonly have research experience by the middle of sophomore year and get top internships after junior year(or more research if aiming PhD).

MIT, CalTech, CMU, Stanford, Princeton, Upenn, Cornell, Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Rice, Berkeley, Michigan, Georgia Tech. These are the top schools in Engineering for those who want leadership /top-of-the field jobs, not middle-management worker-bee Engineering.
I went to one of these schools, sold the first company to larger silicon valley co, and am involved in pre-interview screening. Spouse is a VP software engineer at a company that works out of Boston and they only send recruiters to a subset of this list, to get "the best of the best". The hiring has slowed in tech (especially CS--not what I hire), but Engineers from top tier schools are in high demand. We care what math and physics they have completed before internships: we sometimes grab sophomores from these schools. We consider other schools, of course, but for undergrad these are the preferred schools that deliver prepared students. We want thinkers and innovators who have top math skills.

Not Purdue? UT Austin? UIUC?
According to USNWR those 3 are in the top 10 (and several of the ones you listed are not)
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they want to go into academia and pursue a PhD, maybe it matters. But if they’re looking to work afterwards I don’t think it makes a difference at all.

In most instances it reflects the caliber of student. Impacts how well they know their trade and their starting pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's important to go to the highest ranked schools for internship opportunities and hen ultimate hiring

Brand and cache matter for top tech recruiting, if one wants to have access to startup /innovation funding as an undergrad, and if one wants to go to top phDs in Engineering. The name-brand schools that launch into managerial and CEO type roles and also into top phDs are the top20 national universities. These schools often have 97% retention in Engineering for undergrad and can push their undergrads into much more advanced math by second year than others, AND have on-site paid research jobs that students can get in summer or during the school year. The Engineering students at these schools commonly have research experience by the middle of sophomore year and get top internships after junior year(or more research if aiming PhD).

MIT, CalTech, CMU, Stanford, Princeton, Upenn, Cornell, Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Rice, Berkeley, Michigan, Georgia Tech. These are the top schools in Engineering for those who want leadership /top-of-the field jobs, not middle-management worker-bee Engineering.
I went to one of these schools, sold the first company to larger silicon valley co, and am involved in pre-interview screening. Spouse is a VP software engineer at a company that works out of Boston and they only send recruiters to a subset of this list, to get "the best of the best". The hiring has slowed in tech (especially CS--not what I hire), but Engineers from top tier schools are in high demand. We care what math and physics they have completed before internships: we sometimes grab sophomores from these schools. We consider other schools, of course, but for undergrad these are the preferred schools that deliver prepared students. We want thinkers and innovators who have top math skills.

Not Purdue? UT Austin? UIUC?
According to USNWR those 3 are in the top 10 (and several of the ones you listed are not)
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings

Those lack cachet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's important to go to the highest ranked schools for internship opportunities and hen ultimate hiring

Brand and cache matter for top tech recruiting, if one wants to have access to startup /innovation funding as an undergrad, and if one wants to go to top phDs in Engineering. The name-brand schools that launch into managerial and CEO type roles and also into top phDs are the top20 national universities. These schools often have 97% retention in Engineering for undergrad and can push their undergrads into much more advanced math by second year than others, AND have on-site paid research jobs that students can get in summer or during the school year. The Engineering students at these schools commonly have research experience by the middle of sophomore year and get top internships after junior year(or more research if aiming PhD).

MIT, CalTech, CMU, Stanford, Princeton, Upenn, Cornell, Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Rice, Berkeley, Michigan, Georgia Tech. These are the top schools in Engineering for those who want leadership /top-of-the field jobs, not middle-management worker-bee Engineering.
I went to one of these schools, sold the first company to larger silicon valley co, and am involved in pre-interview screening. Spouse is a VP software engineer at a company that works out of Boston and they only send recruiters to a subset of this list, to get "the best of the best". The hiring has slowed in tech (especially CS--not what I hire), but Engineers from top tier schools are in high demand. We care what math and physics they have completed before internships: we sometimes grab sophomores from these schools. We consider other schools, of course, but for undergrad these are the preferred schools that deliver prepared students. We want thinkers and innovators who have top math skills.

Not Purdue? UT Austin? UIUC?
According to USNWR those 3 are in the top 10 (and several of the ones you listed are not)
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings

Those lack cachet.

Not according to USNWR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's important to go to the highest ranked schools for internship opportunities and hen ultimate hiring

Brand and cache matter for top tech recruiting, if one wants to have access to startup /innovation funding as an undergrad, and if one wants to go to top phDs in Engineering. The name-brand schools that launch into managerial and CEO type roles and also into top phDs are the top20 national universities. These schools often have 97% retention in Engineering for undergrad and can push their undergrads into much more advanced math by second year than others, AND have on-site paid research jobs that students can get in summer or during the school year. The Engineering students at these schools commonly have research experience by the middle of sophomore year and get top internships after junior year(or more research if aiming PhD).

MIT, CalTech, CMU, Stanford, Princeton, Upenn, Cornell, Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Rice, Berkeley, Michigan, Georgia Tech. These are the top schools in Engineering for those who want leadership /top-of-the field jobs, not middle-management worker-bee Engineering.
I went to one of these schools, sold the first company to larger silicon valley co, and am involved in pre-interview screening. Spouse is a VP software engineer at a company that works out of Boston and they only send recruiters to a subset of this list, to get "the best of the best". The hiring has slowed in tech (especially CS--not what I hire), but Engineers from top tier schools are in high demand. We care what math and physics they have completed before internships: we sometimes grab sophomores from these schools. We consider other schools, of course, but for undergrad these are the preferred schools that deliver prepared students. We want thinkers and innovators who have top math skills.

Not Purdue? UT Austin? UIUC?
According to USNWR those 3 are in the top 10 (and several of the ones you listed are not)
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings

Those rankings rank Grad schools. The PP was discussing hiring undergrads, for internships during undergraduate and jobs after undergraduate.
Maybe someone who hires PHD can comment? I am curious as well—I posted the GTech question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's important to go to the highest ranked schools for internship opportunities and hen ultimate hiring

Brand and cache matter for top tech recruiting, if one wants to have access to startup /innovation funding as an undergrad, and if one wants to go to top phDs in Engineering. The name-brand schools that launch into managerial and CEO type roles and also into top phDs are the top20 national universities. These schools often have 97% retention in Engineering for undergrad and can push their undergrads into much more advanced math by second year than others, AND have on-site paid research jobs that students can get in summer or during the school year. The Engineering students at these schools commonly have research experience by the middle of sophomore year and get top internships after junior year(or more research if aiming PhD).

MIT, CalTech, CMU, Stanford, Princeton, Upenn, Cornell, Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Rice, Berkeley, Michigan, Georgia Tech. These are the top schools in Engineering for those who want leadership /top-of-the field jobs, not middle-management worker-bee Engineering.
I went to one of these schools, sold the first company to larger silicon valley co, and am involved in pre-interview screening. Spouse is a VP software engineer at a company that works out of Boston and they only send recruiters to a subset of this list, to get "the best of the best". The hiring has slowed in tech (especially CS--not what I hire), but Engineers from top tier schools are in high demand. We care what math and physics they have completed before internships: we sometimes grab sophomores from these schools. We consider other schools, of course, but for undergrad these are the preferred schools that deliver prepared students. We want thinkers and innovators who have top math skills.

Not Purdue? UT Austin? UIUC?
According to USNWR those 3 are in the top 10 (and several of the ones you listed are not)
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings

Those rankings rank Grad schools. The PP was discussing hiring undergrads, for internships during undergraduate and jobs after undergraduate.
Maybe someone who hires PHD can comment? I am curious as well—I posted the GTech question.

Ah, I didn't catch that. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

Actually for undergrad it's still similar. UIUC and Purdue still in the top 10. UT Austin just barely misses top 10 at #11.