ReservoirRec Center is now open! The crazy NIMBYs lost

[Anonymous]

Wasn't that library renovated relatively recently? What is going on with all the leaks at DC built buildings?

We don't deserve statehood when the reaction of those on the inside, based on your seemingly intimate knowledge of esoteric local groups, to the community getting involved in what happens to their community center is a demand to cut them out of the process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't that library renovated relatively recently? What is going on with all the leaks at DC built buildings?

We don't deserve statehood when the reaction of those on the inside, based on your seemingly intimate knowledge of esoteric local groups, to the community getting involved in what happens to their community center is a demand to cut them out of the process.

That is not actually a requirement for statehood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't that library renovated relatively recently? What is going on with all the leaks at DC built buildings?

We don't deserve statehood when the reaction of those on the inside, based on your seemingly intimate knowledge of esoteric local groups, to the community getting involved in what happens to their community center is a demand to cut them out of the process.

No, it wasn't renovated recently...they did some maintenance stuff to try to fix things like the leaks (unsuccessfully), but it hasn't been renovated in forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After a 3-decade long battle against NIMBYs, the Reservoir Park Rec Center opened this week! It includes many cool features including an indoor pool: https://dpr.dc.gov/reservoirpark

The history of this site should inform anyone assessing current DC planning "controversies" such as the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes. While of course there are people with legitimate concerns about any project, there is also a core of very strange people with who will irrationally fight against any improvements. The challenge is to allow reasonable public input, but recognize when the bad faith/personality disordered have taken over the discourse. We also need major changes to the law to stop NIMBYs from being able to hold up public works projects for decades.

Kudos to the DC Council for finally putting an end to the saga and creating a public space and housing that will benefit the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMillan_Sand_Filtration_Site#City_council_and_court_allow_development_to_proceed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/mcmillan-dc-development-court-bowser/2021/10/28/174b721e-380f-11ec-9bc4-86107e7b0ab1_story.html

This isn’t an accurate characterization of the many groups over the years that wanted the area to be put to good use that wouldn’t cause more density issues. Of course, there were some obnoxious groups, but they all weren’t the same. If it weren’t for some of these groups, there would not be the amount of green space in the plans for this site. Look up the term NIMBY—more of a badge of honor before it was co-opted in recent years. Anyway, glad to see this site developed for the good of all residents.

"cause density issues"?

Pretend you live in a city.

Also thanks to the actions of these people the site sat unused for decades. Was that "putting it to good use"? Only if you are so offended by the idea of anyone benefiting from something that you didn't personally select and approve. Plenty of the "Save McMillan" people were against the idea of anything going into that site (and opposed the idea of anything that would contribute to "density" in the middle of an urban area) and in no way advocated for this community center or the idea of any public use for the site. Their goal was simply to stop all progress.

I agree with the assessment that this is basically a personality disorder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't that library renovated relatively recently? What is going on with all the leaks at DC built buildings?

We don't deserve statehood when the reaction of those on the inside, based on your seemingly intimate knowledge of esoteric local groups, to the community getting involved in what happens to their community center is a demand to cut them out of the process.

Builders and architects will swear up and down that flat roofs are fine, but they always end up leaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After a 3-decade long battle against NIMBYs, the Reservoir Park Rec Center opened this week! It includes many cool features including an indoor pool: https://dpr.dc.gov/reservoirpark

The history of this site should inform anyone assessing current DC planning "controversies" such as the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes. While of course there are people with legitimate concerns about any project, there is also a core of very strange people with who will irrationally fight against any improvements. The challenge is to allow reasonable public input, but recognize when the bad faith/personality disordered have taken over the discourse. We also need major changes to the law to stop NIMBYs from being able to hold up public works projects for decades.

Kudos to the DC Council for finally putting an end to the saga and creating a public space and housing that will benefit the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMillan_Sand_Filtration_Site#City_council_and_court_allow_development_to_proceed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/mcmillan-dc-development-court-bowser/2021/10/28/174b721e-380f-11ec-9bc4-86107e7b0ab1_story.html

This isn’t an accurate characterization of the many groups over the years that wanted the area to be put to good use that wouldn’t cause more density issues. Of course, there were some obnoxious groups, but they all weren’t the same. If it weren’t for some of these groups, there would not be the amount of green space in the plans for this site. Look up the term NIMBY—more of a badge of honor before it was co-opted in recent years. Anyway, glad to see this site developed for the good of all residents.

"cause density issues"?

Pretend you live in a city.

Also thanks to the actions of these people the site sat unused for decades. Was that "putting it to good use"? Only if you are so offended by the idea of anyone benefiting from something that you didn't personally select and approve. Plenty of the "Save McMillan" people were against the idea of anything going into that site (and opposed the idea of anything that would contribute to "density" in the middle of an urban area) and in no way advocated for this community center or the idea of any public use for the site. Their goal was simply to stop all progress.

I agree with the assessment that this is basically a personality disorder.

This!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't that library renovated relatively recently? What is going on with all the leaks at DC built buildings?

We don't deserve statehood when the reaction of those on the inside, based on your seemingly intimate knowledge of esoteric local groups, to the community getting involved in what happens to their community center is a demand to cut them out of the process.

Builders and architects will swear up and down that flat roofs are fine, but they always end up leaking.

I have a flat roof. But it's not really flat. They all have a grade so they actually drain. It works great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't that library renovated relatively recently? What is going on with all the leaks at DC built buildings?

We don't deserve statehood when the reaction of those on the inside, based on your seemingly intimate knowledge of esoteric local groups, to the community getting involved in what happens to their community center is a demand to cut them out of the process.

It’s not just DC. The ability to interfere with public works progress is slowing down infrastructure, public space and housing development all over the US.

https://www.vox.com/22534714/rail-roads-infrastructure-costs-america

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After a 3-decade long battle against NIMBYs, the Reservoir Park Rec Center opened this week! It includes many cool features including an indoor pool: https://dpr.dc.gov/reservoirpark

The history of this site should inform anyone assessing current DC planning "controversies" such as the Connecticut Avenue bike lanes. While of course there are people with legitimate concerns about any project, there is also a core of very strange people with who will irrationally fight against any improvements. The challenge is to allow reasonable public input, but recognize when the bad faith/personality disordered have taken over the discourse. We also need major changes to the law to stop NIMBYs from being able to hold up public works projects for decades.

Kudos to the DC Council for finally putting an end to the saga and creating a public space and housing that will benefit the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMillan_Sand_Filtration_Site#City_council_and_court_allow_development_to_proceed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/mcmillan-dc-development-court-bowser/2021/10/28/174b721e-380f-11ec-9bc4-86107e7b0ab1_story.html

This isn’t an accurate characterization of the many groups over the years that wanted the area to be put to good use that wouldn’t cause more density issues. Of course, there were some obnoxious groups, but they all weren’t the same. If it weren’t for some of these groups, there would not be the amount of green space in the plans for this site. Look up the term NIMBY—more of a badge of honor before it was co-opted in recent years. Anyway, glad to see this site developed for the good of all residents.

"cause density issues"?

Pretend you live in a city.

Also thanks to the actions of these people the site sat unused for decades. Was that "putting it to good use"? Only if you are so offended by the idea of anyone benefiting from something that you didn't personally select and approve. Plenty of the "Save McMillan" people were against the idea of anything going into that site (and opposed the idea of anything that would contribute to "density" in the middle of an urban area) and in no way advocated for this community center or the idea of any public use for the site. Their goal was simply to stop all progress.

I agree with the assessment that this is basically a personality disorder.

Yep. The fact of the matter is that public voice can have a role in getting projects done in the neighborhood - for example my neighborhood has a library and pool in part due to neighbors organizing to get it. But this can go way too far in the other direction.

[Anonymous]

I visited the area last week:
The whole area is only 1/2 finished
The pool is small. Too small.
So far there isn't enough greenspace.
I didn't go inside the rec center.
That said, there were plenty of people enjoying the park....which is a plus for the area

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn't that library renovated relatively recently? What is going on with all the leaks at DC built buildings?

We don't deserve statehood when the reaction of those on the inside, based on your seemingly intimate knowledge of esoteric local groups, to the community getting involved in what happens to their community center is a demand to cut them out of the process.

It’s not just DC. The ability to interfere with public works progress is slowing down infrastructure, public space and housing development all over the US.

https://www.vox.com/22534714/rail-roads-infrastructure-costs-america

Oh boy, that author has some…thoughts.

https://www.vox.com/authors/jerusalem-demsas