if me DD’s odds

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Anonymous wrote:If the Ivy is Penn, legacy won’t help at all, unfortunately. More important than Gpa is where she is in the class. Is she in top 5 students or top five percent?

It's not Penn. Her school doesn't rank. Pretty confident she's in the top 10% - and might be 5% - but I just don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:If the Ivy is Penn, legacy won’t help at all, unfortunately. More important than Gpa is where she is in the class. Is she in top 5 students or top five percent?

It's not Penn. Her school doesn't rank. Pretty confident she's in the top 10% - and might be 5% - but I just don't know.

Odds ar an Ivy very low if not in top five percent at a public school. Would be worth pinning down guidance counselor on this as list would be pretty different.

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Anonymous wrote:If the Ivy is Penn, legacy won’t help at all, unfortunately. More important than Gpa is where she is in the class. Is she in top 5 students or top five percent?

It's not Penn. Her school doesn't rank. Pretty confident she's in the top 10% - and might be 5% - but I just don't know.

Odds ar an Ivy very low if not in top five percent at a public school. Would be worth pinning down guidance counselor on this as list would be pretty different.

I hear you. Will see what I can find out. Her counselor does love her (she's an Ivy grad herself - different school though - and the one who nominated her for the junior book award, knowing that's where DD wants to go). I think she'll write a very strong and strategic rec.

[Anonymous]

My DD had similar stats: top 5%, 1530 SAT, 12 APs, 3 varsity sports, president of one of the biggest club, local and regional art awards, art sales, strong LORs, etc. She got into an Ivy, an Ivy+, and several of the most selective LACs. Of a dozen apps, she received only one rejection and a couple waitlists. It's really hard to predict, and we were shocked at how well she did in RD. Anyhow, I'm sure your DC will have some great options. In any event, she sounds great and you should be proud.

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Don’t really understand her gpa but w interesting essays and double legacy she could land it. You’re right note that a risk is a soft defer. Personally I’d go w ED2 to Wes at that point,

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Anonymous wrote:How does she have a 4.1 uw? She seems like a great well-rounded kid but I don't see anything distinctive (in terms of excellence) in her profile. If she's applying as an Art major with an awesome portfolio, maybe? If she writes amazing essays and has strong teacher recs?

But I'd encourage her to focus on T30-50 schools.

This is silly. My ds is nowhere near any of this and got into five 30-50 schools 2 years ago non ED. OP's dd has a shot ED at non HYP Ivy for sure.

Gender is an important factor. Girls majoring in the humanities are not exceptional. And things have only gotten more competitive in the past two years.

They most certainly are. She has a great chance but did you say major? Art is, of course, portfolio based.

What? No. Male humanities majors get the biggest bump in admissions. Followed by female STEM majors. Girl humanities majors overall are disadvantaged, because they are overrepresented. Male STEM majors are also disadvantaged due to overrepresentation.

If she's not locked into a major at the time of application, strategically she should consider expressing interest in majoring in art. Would help her stand out a little. She can always drop it to a minor later on.

You are way out of date. To reiterate your absurd point: female humanities majors are at a disadvantage vis a vis other majors. Um, no. They have a big advantage — just not as big as males. Not only are your larger points wrong, but your smaller points are as well: history is a “boy” major. Yes, English is a “girl” major — but there are not enough English majors, so schools want them. Female STEM applicants, as you call them, are at a major — pardon the pun — disadvantage for biological/environmental sciences, which are female-dominated. As for other STEM majors, do you really think schools want more science or CS applicants, so long as they are female? Engineering schools like RPI? Sure. Anyone else? Nope.

I can only hope you are not in the “profession.” If so, get a new one.

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Anonymous wrote:So there's nothing that really pops out. But I would encourage her to stress the writing/literature/journalism angle on the app. There is a difference between those applying to Wharton or Cornell Engineering and those applying as a prospective English major. Even the Ivies are reaching to fill their English departments. The essay is her time to shine and get an admissions reader on her side. Also, it's probably too late, but if not do try to get an Editor-in-Chief position for one of the school publications, if not the paper, something else.

So true on the English majors.
Lots of literary opps at a lot of schools. Ask counselor as well.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD had similar stats: top 5%, 1530 SAT, 12 APs, 3 varsity sports, president of one of the biggest club, local and regional art awards, art sales, strong LORs, etc. She got into an Ivy, an Ivy+, and several of the most selective LACs. Of a dozen apps, she received only one rejection and a couple waitlists. It's really hard to predict, and we were shocked at how well she did in RD. Anyhow, I'm sure your DC will have some great options. In any event, she sounds great and you should be proud.

Wow! Congratulations to your DD! She sounds remarkable. And thank you for the kind words. Much appreciated.

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Anonymous wrote:Her GPA is a 4.1 uw (weighted maybe 4.5, 4.6?). Her school is weird with its system. For all intents and purposes, say 4.0.

Re: summer, she’s going back to the summer program she’s an ambassador for. She really likes it. Writing and reading at a New England SLAC. She also works at a cupcake shop and will be doing a School of Rock show. Would love for her to try her hand at more writing (and agree on lack of leadership), but I don’t want to force it.

In terms of other schools, she likes Tufts a lot (didn’t love the commute to SMFA though), but liked Wesleyan more so will prob do that ED2. Gaming it out though I’m thinking the Ivy might defer her (soft rejection since DH and I are alumni) which will mess up the ED2 plan.

What do you think of W&M for her?

She sounds like a wonderful fit for W&M!

I think so too!

She sounds impressive, smart, and well-rounded. I wouldn’t push on all these suggestions that she publish an article, write poetry, etc. Let her continue to pursue her passions and chase opportunities that are meaningful to her.

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Anonymous wrote:You people are insane. My dd had nowhere near the ECs and didn't have a perfect GPA and got into Cornell. No legacy, no connections. Just a rich white girl from the burbs.

She's clearly qualified. It's just luck otherwise

Lots of kids like this get into cornell. It is why it is considered a baby ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:DD applying ED to non-HYP Ivy. I’d classify her as “average excellent” with an artsy/interesting streak. Top line info:
-Double legacy
-4.1 uw at good public in Northeast
-10 APs by end of senior year (others all honors)
-Most likely NMSF
-34 ACT (took 2X, doesn’t want to take again)
-Junior Book Award (from the school she’s applying to but obv that has nothing to do w them)
-Scholastic Gold Key in Art
-Award for best in drawing in our state
-Painting award, 1st place (county level)
-Ntnl Art Honor Society pres
-School musical and plays all four years (no leads)
-Newspaper (staff writer, 4 years; social media editor, 3 years; layout editor, 2 years)
-School of Rock (guitar and vocals, 2 years)
-Key Club (4 years) with varied projects - she genuinely enjoys volunteering
-Schoolhouse SAT tutor
-Ambassador for creative writing and literature summer program

Reading about the nonprofit founders and scientific research kids, I feel like mine has no shot. Any input?

I think Tufts would be perfect with their art school and liberal arts.

Tufts is a far cry from an ivy.

Oh please. This Ivy obsession. Can get great education at Tufts in a city adjacent campus with amazing art school near museum. The Ivies have some anti-semitic dolts. Don’t know geography or history.

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Anonymous wrote:You people are insane. My dd had nowhere near the ECs and didn't have a perfect GPA and got into Cornell. No legacy, no connections. Just a rich white girl from the burbs.

She's clearly qualified. It's just luck otherwise

Lots of kids like this get into cornell. It is why it is considered a baby ivy.

What is a baby ivy?

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Anonymous wrote:DD applying ED to non-HYP Ivy. I’d classify her as “average excellent” with an artsy/interesting streak. Top line info:
-Double legacy
-4.1 uw at good public in Northeast
-10 APs by end of senior year (others all honors)
-Most likely NMSF
-34 ACT (took 2X, doesn’t want to take again)
-Junior Book Award (from the school she’s applying to but obv that has nothing to do w them)
-Scholastic Gold Key in Art
-Award for best in drawing in our state
-Painting award, 1st place (county level)
-Ntnl Art Honor Society pres
-School musical and plays all four years (no leads)
-Newspaper (staff writer, 4 years; social media editor, 3 years; layout editor, 2 years)
-School of Rock (guitar and vocals, 2 years)
-Key Club (4 years) with varied projects - she genuinely enjoys volunteering
-Schoolhouse SAT tutor
-Ambassador for creative writing and literature summer program

Reading about the nonprofit founders and scientific research kids, I feel like mine has no shot. Any input?

I think Tufts would be perfect with their art school and liberal arts.

Tufts is a far cry from an ivy.

Oh please. This Ivy obsession. Can get great education at Tufts in a city adjacent campus with amazing art school near museum. The Ivies have some anti-semitic dolts. Don’t know geography or history.

Op: DD applying ED to non-HYP Ivy. I feel like mine has no shot. Any input?

You: I think Tufts would be perfect.

Also you: this ivy obsession.

Me thinks you have a tufts obsession.

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What are the exam grades for those 10 AP classes?
They will need to be all 5's

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Anonymous wrote:How does she have a 4.1 uw? She seems like a great well-rounded kid but I don't see anything distinctive (in terms of excellence) in her profile. If she's applying as an Art major with an awesome portfolio, maybe? If she writes amazing essays and has strong teacher recs?

But I'd encourage her to focus on T30-50 schools.

This is silly. My ds is nowhere near any of this and got into five 30-50 schools 2 years ago non ED. OP's dd has a shot ED at non HYP Ivy for sure.

Gender is an important factor. Girls majoring in the humanities are not exceptional. And things have only gotten more competitive in the past two years.

They most certainly are. She has a great chance but did you say major? Art is, of course, portfolio based.

What? No. Male humanities majors get the biggest bump in admissions. Followed by female STEM majors. Girl humanities majors overall are disadvantaged, because they are overrepresented. Male STEM majors are also disadvantaged due to overrepresentation.

If she's not locked into a major at the time of application, strategically she should consider expressing interest in majoring in art. Would help her stand out a little. She can always drop it to a minor later on.

You are way out of date. To reiterate your absurd point: female humanities majors are at a disadvantage vis a vis other majors. Um, no. They have a big advantage — just not as big as males. Not only are your larger points wrong, but your smaller points are as well: history is a “boy” major. Yes, English is a “girl” major — but there are not enough English majors, so schools want them. Female STEM applicants, as you call them, are at a major — pardon the pun — disadvantage for biological/environmental sciences, which are female-dominated. As for other STEM majors, do you really think schools want more science or CS applicants, so long as they are female? Engineering schools like RPI? Sure. Anyone else? Nope.

I can only hope you are not in the “profession.” If so, get a new one.

DP, this is unnecessarily nasty and also not helpful.