If your kid was an AAAA swimmer at 10 and 12?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone humor me and explain why it’s important to have another sport? I’m assuming the poster meant team sport?

I am not OP or PP, and my child does not have AAAA times at 10 (looked this up out of curiosity and there are maybe 6 kids total across 9-10 girls and boys who have a AAAA time or times). The reason we want our child to continue in her activities (theatre/music/dance) is because she may decide to quit swimming one day and that gives her other outlets. Like swim, it’s hard to just pick up tap or ballet at an older age.

Wrong:
1. 41 —9-10 year old girls have aaaa in the 50 free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_girls_5_10_50FR.html

2. 49 —9-10 yr old boys have an aaaa time in the 50 yard free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_boys_5_10_50FR.html

I’m certain some of those kids overlap with another stroke but I’m also certain many will not. Since there are motivational times for 12 different events in BOTH short course and long course (24 different events total are ranked), hundreds and hundreds of kids who are 9-10 have aaaa times.

DP, but I’m guessing that poster was referring to PVS, not the country as a whole. During this past SC season only 2 9-10 boys and 1 9-10 girl got AAAA 50 free times.

This makes more sense but there are a ton more events than 50 free (and more if you add lcm) and therefore more kids. Many kids that age have one or maybe 2 aaaa times.

Not sure what you are trying to say, but “many” kids do not have AAAA times, statistically speaking.

[Anonymous]

An AAAA time means top 2% in the country. Not sure why PP is trying to minimalize it, but having one AAAA time, let alone many, is not common.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone humor me and explain why it’s important to have another sport? I’m assuming the poster meant team sport?

I am not OP or PP, and my child does not have AAAA times at 10 (looked this up out of curiosity and there are maybe 6 kids total across 9-10 girls and boys who have a AAAA time or times). The reason we want our child to continue in her activities (theatre/music/dance) is because she may decide to quit swimming one day and that gives her other outlets. Like swim, it’s hard to just pick up tap or ballet at an older age.

Wrong:
1. 41 —9-10 year old girls have aaaa in the 50 free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_girls_5_10_50FR.html

2. 49 —9-10 yr old boys have an aaaa time in the 50 yard free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_boys_5_10_50FR.html

I’m certain some of those kids overlap with another stroke but I’m also certain many will not. Since there are motivational times for 12 different events in BOTH short course and long course (24 different events total are ranked), hundreds and hundreds of kids who are 9-10 have aaaa times.

DP, but I’m guessing that poster was referring to PVS, not the country as a whole. During this past SC season only 2 9-10 boys and 1 9-10 girl got AAAA 50 free times.

This makes more sense but there are a ton more events than 50 free (and more if you add lcm) and therefore more kids. Many kids that age have one or maybe 2 aaaa times.

Many is strong, I just scrolled the PVS top SC times for this season for the 10 yr old boys and girls and it looks like maybe 10-11 total boys and 5-6 total girls got a AAAA time in at least 1 event.

There are 12 or so events per short course and 12 or so for long course. That’s just PVS. There a massive number of courses like this. When I said “many,” I meant nationwide.

There's a lot of overlap among the kids who have AAAA times. If you have it in one stroke/event, there's a decent chance you'll have it in a few. That's particular the case with freestyle/fly/back/IM. Breaststroke you see some kids with just AAAA in breast events. That's doubly so for SCY vs. LCM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone humor me and explain why it’s important to have another sport? I’m assuming the poster meant team sport?

I am not OP or PP, and my child does not have AAAA times at 10 (looked this up out of curiosity and there are maybe 6 kids total across 9-10 girls and boys who have a AAAA time or times). The reason we want our child to continue in her activities (theatre/music/dance) is because she may decide to quit swimming one day and that gives her other outlets. Like swim, it’s hard to just pick up tap or ballet at an older age.

Wrong:
1. 41 —9-10 year old girls have aaaa in the 50 free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_girls_5_10_50FR.html

2. 49 —9-10 yr old boys have an aaaa time in the 50 yard free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_boys_5_10_50FR.html

I’m certain some of those kids overlap with another stroke but I’m also certain many will not. Since there are motivational times for 12 different events in BOTH short course and long course (24 different events total are ranked), hundreds and hundreds of kids who are 9-10 have aaaa times.

DP, but I’m guessing that poster was referring to PVS, not the country as a whole. During this past SC season only 2 9-10 boys and 1 9-10 girl got AAAA 50 free times.

This makes more sense but there are a ton more events than 50 free (and more if you add lcm) and therefore more kids. Many kids that age have one or maybe 2 aaaa times.

Many is strong, I just scrolled the PVS top SC times for this season for the 10 yr old boys and girls and it looks like maybe 10-11 total boys and 5-6 total girls got a AAAA time in at least 1 event.

There are 12 or so events per short course and 12 or so for long course. That’s just PVS. There a massive number of courses like this. When I said “many,” I meant nationwide.

There's a lot of overlap among the kids who have AAAA times. If you have it in one stroke/event, there's a decent chance you'll have it in a few. That's particular the case with freestyle/fly/back/IM. Breaststroke you see some kids with just AAAA in breast events. That's doubly so for SCY vs. LCM.

Long time swim family: at that age, lots of the kods have a single aaaa time in a best stroke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone humor me and explain why it’s important to have another sport? I’m assuming the poster meant team sport?

I am not OP or PP, and my child does not have AAAA times at 10 (looked this up out of curiosity and there are maybe 6 kids total across 9-10 girls and boys who have a AAAA time or times). The reason we want our child to continue in her activities (theatre/music/dance) is because she may decide to quit swimming one day and that gives her other outlets. Like swim, it’s hard to just pick up tap or ballet at an older age.

Wrong:
1. 41 —9-10 year old girls have aaaa in the 50 free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_girls_5_10_50FR.html

2. 49 —9-10 yr old boys have an aaaa time in the 50 yard free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_boys_5_10_50FR.html

I’m certain some of those kids overlap with another stroke but I’m also certain many will not. Since there are motivational times for 12 different events in BOTH short course and long course (24 different events total are ranked), hundreds and hundreds of kids who are 9-10 have aaaa times.

DP, but I’m guessing that poster was referring to PVS, not the country as a whole. During this past SC season only 2 9-10 boys and 1 9-10 girl got AAAA 50 free times.

This makes more sense but there are a ton more events than 50 free (and more if you add lcm) and therefore more kids. Many kids that age have one or maybe 2 aaaa times.

Many is strong, I just scrolled the PVS top SC times for this season for the 10 yr old boys and girls and it looks like maybe 10-11 total boys and 5-6 total girls got a AAAA time in at least 1 event.

There are 12 or so events per short course and 12 or so for long course. That’s just PVS. There a massive number of courses like this. When I said “many,” I meant nationwide.

There's a lot of overlap among the kids who have AAAA times. If you have it in one stroke/event, there's a decent chance you'll have it in a few. That's particular the case with freestyle/fly/back/IM. Breaststroke you see some kids with just AAAA in breast events. That's doubly so for SCY vs. LCM.

Long time swim family: at that age, lots of the kods have a single aaaa time in a best stroke.

That doesn’t seem true based on perusing them names of the PVS kids with AAAA times. I keep seeing the same names popping up on the lists for different events.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone humor me and explain why it’s important to have another sport? I’m assuming the poster meant team sport?

I am not OP or PP, and my child does not have AAAA times at 10 (looked this up out of curiosity and there are maybe 6 kids total across 9-10 girls and boys who have a AAAA time or times). The reason we want our child to continue in her activities (theatre/music/dance) is because she may decide to quit swimming one day and that gives her other outlets. Like swim, it’s hard to just pick up tap or ballet at an older age.

Wrong:
1. 41 —9-10 year old girls have aaaa in the 50 free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_girls_5_10_50FR.html

2. 49 —9-10 yr old boys have an aaaa time in the 50 yard free alone: https://www.swimmingrank.com/zone/usa/scy_boys_5_10_50FR.html

I’m certain some of those kids overlap with another stroke but I’m also certain many will not. Since there are motivational times for 12 different events in BOTH short course and long course (24 different events total are ranked), hundreds and hundreds of kids who are 9-10 have aaaa times.

DP, but I’m guessing that poster was referring to PVS, not the country as a whole. During this past SC season only 2 9-10 boys and 1 9-10 girl got AAAA 50 free times.

This makes more sense but there are a ton more events than 50 free (and more if you add lcm) and therefore more kids. Many kids that age have one or maybe 2 aaaa times.

Many is strong, I just scrolled the PVS top SC times for this season for the 10 yr old boys and girls and it looks like maybe 10-11 total boys and 5-6 total girls got a AAAA time in at least 1 event.

There are 12 or so events per short course and 12 or so for long course. That’s just PVS. There a massive number of courses like this. When I said “many,” I meant nationwide.

There's a lot of overlap among the kids who have AAAA times. If you have it in one stroke/event, there's a decent chance you'll have it in a few. That's particular the case with freestyle/fly/back/IM. Breaststroke you see some kids with just AAAA in breast events. That's doubly so for SCY vs. LCM.

Long time swim family: at that age, lots of the kods have a single aaaa time in a best stroke.

People have different definitions of “lots” and “many” I guess because based on the PVS list I would not say that’s “lots” of kids.

[Anonymous]

In 2023-24, 7 10U girls and 16 10U boys in PVS achieved AAAA times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone humor me and explain why it’s important to have another sport? I’m assuming the poster meant team sport?

Other sports help with cross training and avoiding injuries. Other activities make your kid a well-rounded individual. My kiddo found that playing a low brass instrument really helped with breathing for swim.

[Anonymous]

I think you can best answer this question by looking at fast 10 and 12 year olds and comparing their size and strength to typical 10 and 12 year olds. Look at any age group championship meet and compare the A and B finals. The A final average height and weight is usually several inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than the B final for 12u boys. For 10-12 year old boys, there is a range of 5 years in biological age.

In most cases, the kids who are much bigger and stronger than your average 10/12 year old, and continue to be bigger and stronger into and at the end of puberty will still be very fast. The kids that are much bigger and stronger at age 10/12, but stop growing early and end up being surpassed in size and strength by their slower growing teammates, will not stay AAAA swimmers. These are the kids with lousy technique, but are already ahead by a length at the start because they weigh 130 lbs as a 12 year old compared to their 85 lb teammates.

The ones with the most potential are the fast average sized kids who are getting there on technique and body position. Some will eventually grow tall and become elite. Others will stay small and have a harder time keeping up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AAAA boy at 9-10 had trouble getting much faster after about age 12 and was merely AA by high school. Had the unusual experience of *not* getting a whole lot faster after puberty, probably because he lost the finesse of his technique and just wasn’t motivated to do the work to get it back, being pretty burnt out from training year-round starting so young. Moved on to spend more time on other interests but swimming kept him in good shape at least.

How old were they when they started year round? my 12 year old DD didn't start until age 10, but her 8 year brother is itching to start this fall. I feel like I should make him wait...

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Anonymous wrote:AAAA boy at 9-10 had trouble getting much faster after about age 12 and was merely AA by high school. Had the unusual experience of *not* getting a whole lot faster after puberty, probably because he lost the finesse of his technique and just wasn’t motivated to do the work to get it back, being pretty burnt out from training year-round starting so young. Moved on to spend more time on other interests but swimming kept him in good shape at least.

How old were they when they started year round? my 12 year old DD didn't start until age 10, but her 8 year brother is itching to start this fall. I feel like I should make him wait...

And she had a few AA cuts at 10, a few A cuts at 11 and now back to AA cuts at 12 again. Which seems fine for a late start in the sport? She has also not hit puberty yet.

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Anonymous wrote:AAAA boy at 9-10 had trouble getting much faster after about age 12 and was merely AA by high school. Had the unusual experience of *not* getting a whole lot faster after puberty, probably because he lost the finesse of his technique and just wasn’t motivated to do the work to get it back, being pretty burnt out from training year-round starting so young. Moved on to spend more time on other interests but swimming kept him in good shape at least.

How old were they when they started year round? my 12 year old DD didn't start until age 10, but her 8 year brother is itching to start this fall. I feel like I should make him wait...

Not the PP you’re replying too, but if your 8 year old is itching to start a physical activity with great health benefits you don’t need to make him wait. Should he be swimming 5x a week, no. But 2x a week for an hour with mini meets once every month or so is perfectly fine.