Pregnant women are being turned away from anti-abortion state ERs

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

Childbirth is straightforward until it isn't, and there sometimes isn't much warning for that. If bad outcomes happen on the side of a road with a police officer, it's "bad luck" and "at least everyone tried." If it's within a hospital doors, it's "this is a hospital" and "weren't you trained in medical school to deliver babies?" Doesn't matter if that was 20 years ago, and this is a septic woman with an infant stuck in the canal, heart decelling, and no forceps.

What does this have to do with hospitals turning pregnant women away even when they do provide labor and delivery and not transporting women when they do not provide labor and delivery? All I see here I a forced birther trying to change the story.

But the story is: forced birther “medical care” is inferior in all aspects and it’s killing women, infants and soon every patient in forced birther states as they lose doctors and medical coverage.

"What this has to do with" is the post responded to: Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

Not a good claim, but because people don't understand this, and because juries are comprised of people, nobody wants to go into Emergency Medicine in states with these laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

Childbirth is straightforward until it isn't, and there sometimes isn't much warning for that. If bad outcomes happen on the side of a road with a police officer, it's "bad luck" and "at least everyone tried." If it's within a hospital doors, it's "this is a hospital" and "weren't you trained in medical school to deliver babies?" Doesn't matter if that was 20 years ago, and this is a septic woman with an infant stuck in the canal, heart decelling, and no forceps.

The bolded part of your quote is exactly why hospitals shouldn’t be telling women in active labor to drive themselves to a hospital 30 minutes away, especially as fewer hospitals offer obstetrics. That drive to the hospital is going to get longer and longer for these women if conservative policies keep driving OBs out of red states. A hospital with doctors, nursing staff, an OR, and proper medical equipment is much better than solo birthing or a partner helping on the side of the road. It’s not like there’s a guarantee that police or EMTs will get to some spot on the side of a rural highway in time to help either.

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Anonymous wrote:If I were pregnant living in one of those backward states, I'd be super scared. I wouldn't even go visit those states when pregnant in fear of needing urgent medical care and being turned away.

I have a (wealthy, very privileged) friend in one of these states who decamped for NYC when she found out she was pregnant and she intends to stay there for the duration of her pregnancy due to all of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I were pregnant living in one of those backward states, I'd be super scared. I wouldn't even go visit those states when pregnant in fear of needing urgent medical care and being turned away.

I have a (wealthy, very privileged) friend in one of these states who decamped for NYC when she found out she was pregnant and she intends to stay there for the duration of her pregnancy due to all of this.

One hopes she also uses her wealth to pour money into electing Democrats in her home state since not everyone gets the luxury of leaving.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I were pregnant living in one of those backward states, I'd be super scared. I wouldn't even go visit those states when pregnant in fear of needing urgent medical care and being turned away.

I have a (wealthy, very privileged) friend in one of these states who decamped for NYC when she found out she was pregnant and she intends to stay there for the duration of her pregnancy due to all of this.

One hopes she also uses her wealth to pour money into electing Democrats in her home state since not everyone gets the luxury of leaving.

She does, now. She was a pro-choice Republican (taxes!) Who called me hysterical when Roe was overturned, something she never thought would happen and I had warned about for years. She's now a Democrat, Planned Parenthood donor, and basically single issue voter. I hope there are more like her and we see that in November...

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Anonymous wrote:..and those women are miscarrying

Unintended consequences of "pro-life" policies. The "forced birthers" are causing forced birth of dead babies.

Pregnant patients have “become radioactive to emergency departments” in states with extreme abortion restrictions, said Sara Rosenbaum, a George Washington University health law and policy professor.

“They are so scared of a pregnant patient, that the emergency medicine staff won’t even look. They just want these people gone," Rosenbaum said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/emergency-rooms-refused-treat-pregnant-040150594.html

That seems to violate federal law. Why is it that forced birthers have no problem going after hospitals, but prochoice advocates are cowards?

https://www.cms.gov/medicare/regulations-guidance/legislation/emergency-medical-treatment-labor-act

Good luck forcing doctors to provide care.
They are going to walk away, and they should.
Why should they risk everything? That’s not what they signed up for. They didn’t agree to risk imprisonment, and lose of their entire livelihood.

Maybe empyting ERs of doctors would make those states reconsider

Already happening.
“New doctors applying to medical residency programs were likelier to avoid practicing in states with the most stringent abortion restrictions, an analysis from the Association of American Medical Colleges found.

The drop in applications, particularly for OB-GYN residencies, could exacerbate the lack of maternal health care in those states, which already have the highest maternal mortality rates in the U.S.

Emergency medicine and OB-GYN residencies saw the largest nationwide declines, with 21.4% and 5.2% drops respectively.”
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/18/abortion-ban-states-drop-student-residents

And at some point, there won’t be doctors around who even know how to do an emergency abortion to save the woman’s life because the red state medical schools won’t allow that in their training. No wonder red states are trying to suppress maternal death rates. It’s horrible and getting worse and they want to hide it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:..and those women are miscarrying

Unintended consequences of "pro-life" policies. The "forced birthers" are causing forced birth of dead babies.

Pregnant patients have “become radioactive to emergency departments” in states with extreme abortion restrictions, said Sara Rosenbaum, a George Washington University health law and policy professor.

“They are so scared of a pregnant patient, that the emergency medicine staff won’t even look. They just want these people gone," Rosenbaum said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/emergency-rooms-refused-treat-pregnant-040150594.html

That seems to violate federal law. Why is it that forced birthers have no problem going after hospitals, but prochoice advocates are cowards?

https://www.cms.gov/medicare/regulations-guidance/legislation/emergency-medical-treatment-labor-act

Good luck forcing doctors to provide care.
They are going to walk away, and they should.
Why should they risk everything? That’s not what they signed up for. They didn’t agree to risk imprisonment, and lose of their entire livelihood.

Maybe empyting ERs of doctors would make those states reconsider

Already happening.
“New doctors applying to medical residency programs were likelier to avoid practicing in states with the most stringent abortion restrictions, an analysis from the Association of American Medical Colleges found.

The drop in applications, particularly for OB-GYN residencies, could exacerbate the lack of maternal health care in those states, which already have the highest maternal mortality rates in the U.S.

Emergency medicine and OB-GYN residencies saw the largest nationwide declines, with 21.4% and 5.2% drops respectively.”
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/18/abortion-ban-states-drop-student-residents

And at some point, there won’t be doctors around who even know how to do an emergency abortion to save the woman’s life because the red state medical schools won’t allow that in their training. No wonder red states are trying to suppress maternal death rates. It’s horrible and getting worse and they want to hide it.

+1
Some of these states are trying to limit training for D&Cs, a procedure used for other obstetric/gynecological reasons beyond just abortion.
Crazy. Absolutely crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To use an oft repeated phrase…unintended consequences…

This was not unintended. This is exactly what the GOP and Evangelicals want for the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were pregnant living in one of those backward states, I'd be super scared. I wouldn't even go visit those states when pregnant in fear of needing urgent medical care and being turned away.

I have a (wealthy, very privileged) friend in one of these states who decamped for NYC when she found out she was pregnant and she intends to stay there for the duration of her pregnancy due to all of this.

One hopes she also uses her wealth to pour money into electing Democrats in her home state since not everyone gets the luxury of leaving.

She does, now. She was a pro-choice Republican (taxes!) Who called me hysterical when Roe was overturned, something she never thought would happen and I had warned about for years. She's now a Democrat, Planned Parenthood donor, and basically single issue voter. I hope there are more like her and we see that in November...

That's the thing.. women with means can just go to a blue state to get care. But what about those who can't?

And what about the men and would-be fathers? Do they not care about their wives being able to get the care they need? No one thinks the unthinkable will happen to them, until it does. Then it's "quick, go to a blue state". Well, thank god for those blue states, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

Oh my. You have to be joking, right?? One-childbirth can be complicated by a multitude of factors. Even healthy pregnancies can go wrong at the last minute. And two-delivering babies isn’t profitable for hospitals. And healthcare is a profit driven business in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

Oh my. You have to be joking, right?? One-childbirth can be complicated by a multitude of factors. Even healthy pregnancies can go wrong at the last minute. And two-delivering babies isn’t profitable for hospitals. And healthcare is a profit driven business in this country.

And theres one party that has tried to address this and one that blocks any improvements to the idea that healthcare is a right and not a privilege.

[Anonymous]

I ended up at the ER with an incomplete miscarriage, in the worst pain of my life.

I hear these stories about pregnant women being turned away from care, and keep thinking about how things might have worked differently for me. It's horrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I ended up at the ER with an incomplete miscarriage, in the worst pain of my life.

I hear these stories about pregnant women being turned away from care, and keep thinking about how things might have worked differently for me. It's horrifying.

I'm sorry for your loss.

No one thinks something like this will happen to them until it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Blaming the victim is despicable. Be better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

You are 9 months pregnant and having contractions. Are you going to get a ride to the hospital a few minutes away? Or are you going to get a ride to the hospital that is 30 minutes away without traffic and risk having to deliver your baby on the side of the highway?

Even if the hospital doesn't have OB services, they have an active ER and doctors who should be able to handle a simple birth and deal with possible complications immediately after birth. If needed, after the birth, the mother and child can be transported to a hospital with OB services, but 30 minutes can make the difference between life and death for mother, child or both if a complication arises either immediately before or immediately after birth.