ECNL-RL vs ECNL-NL
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Anonymous
So VYSA should be running everything? VYSA coaches should coach the best teams? Why? |
Anonymous
I've been saying this for a while. What you're starting to see is each league has a handful of top teams and varying degrees of crap teams. |
Anonymous
Coaches don’t watch teams. They watch players. If a player has sent video and has caught their attention, they will watch them no matter how bad the team. |
Anonymous
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Coaches don’t watch teams. They watch players. If a player has sent video and has caught their attention, they will watch them no matter how bad the team. This is spot on. College coaches do not care about how good the team is or even how well the team does at a showcase. I know a few D3 and D1 coaches and their staff walks around the big showcases, playoffs, etc. with a list of players they have connected with (emails, highlight videos, past showcases, ID camps, etc.) and watch matches that their targeted players are in. Now during that match, they may identify someone else that caught their eye and start a connection with them but their standard approach is going to see players on their list. They don't look at the teams, find the best teams and just go watch them because they are the best teams. They don't have the time to do that and normally struggle to find time to go see everyone on their target list at any given event. |
Anonymous
| ECNL has made it very clear that they do not want any more ECNL clubs in NoVa. I believe part of the FVU deal is that ECNL will not grant any new programs in the area. |
Anonymous
Coaches don’t watch teams. They watch players. If a player has sent video and has caught their attention, they will watch them no matter how bad the team. This is spot on. College coaches do not care about how good the team is or even how well the team does at a showcase. I know a few D3 and D1 coaches and their staff walks around the big showcases, playoffs, etc. with a list of players they have connected with (emails, highlight videos, past showcases, ID camps, etc.) and watch matches that their targeted players are in. Now during that match, they may identify someone else that caught their eye and start a connection with them but their standard approach is going to see players on their list. They don't look at the teams, find the best teams and just go watch them because they are the best teams. They don't have the time to do that and normally struggle to find time to go see everyone on their target list at any given event. If coaches don't care how good the team they play on is then why would they care if they play in GA or ECNL? You can't have it both ways. The truth is teams ability to win is one of the many aspects coaches look at when evaluating players. One of the biggest things coaches look for is good grades. This is because if players have good grades all coaches have to do is tell admissions is that they want XYZ player and it gets approved. With bad grades the coach will need to jump through all kinds of hoops to get players through admissions. Coaches might be willing to do this for 1-2 super players but there's enough talent out there with good grades that they don't need to do it very often. |
Anonymous
This is spot on. College coaches do not care about how good the team is or even how well the team does at a showcase. I know a few D3 and D1 coaches and their staff walks around the big showcases, playoffs, etc. with a list of players they have connected with (emails, highlight videos, past showcases, ID camps, etc.) and watch matches that their targeted players are in. Now during that match, they may identify someone else that caught their eye and start a connection with them but their standard approach is going to see players on their list. They don't look at the teams, find the best teams and just go watch them because they are the best teams. They don't have the time to do that and normally struggle to find time to go see everyone on their target list at any given event. If coaches don't care how good the team they play on is then why would they care if they play in GA or ECNL? You can't have it both ways. The truth is teams ability to win is one of the many aspects coaches look at when evaluating players. One of the biggest things coaches look for is good grades. This is because if players have good grades all coaches have to do is tell admissions is that they want XYZ player and it gets approved. With bad grades the coach will need to jump through all kinds of hoops to get players through admissions. Coaches might be willing to do this for 1-2 super players but there's enough talent out there with good grades that they don't need to do it very often. The league matters because coaches can only choose to attend a limited number of events and the ones they attend are mostly ECNL and GA national events so you need to be at those events. |
Anonymous
Coaches don’t watch teams. They watch players. If a player has sent video and has caught their attention, they will watch them no matter how bad the team. This is spot on. College coaches do not care about how good the team is or even how well the team does at a showcase. I know a few D3 and D1 coaches and their staff walks around the big showcases, playoffs, etc. with a list of players they have connected with (emails, highlight videos, past showcases, ID camps, etc.) and watch matches that their targeted players are in. Now during that match, they may identify someone else that caught their eye and start a connection with them but their standard approach is going to see players on their list. They don't look at the teams, find the best teams and just go watch them because they are the best teams. They don't have the time to do that and normally struggle to find time to go see everyone on their target list at any given event. So what you're saying is the only thing that matters is getting onto a coaches list. To get on a coaches list you just need to reach out and establish some type of relationship. How do coaches decide which players make their list of players to watch? Please tell me how coaches won't take a quick peek at the rankings app to determine if the team a player plays on is in the ballpark of what they're looking for. |
Anonymous
This is spot on. College coaches do not care about how good the team is or even how well the team does at a showcase. I know a few D3 and D1 coaches and their staff walks around the big showcases, playoffs, etc. with a list of players they have connected with (emails, highlight videos, past showcases, ID camps, etc.) and watch matches that their targeted players are in. Now during that match, they may identify someone else that caught their eye and start a connection with them but their standard approach is going to see players on their list. They don't look at the teams, find the best teams and just go watch them because they are the best teams. They don't have the time to do that and normally struggle to find time to go see everyone on their target list at any given event. So what you're saying is the only thing that matters is getting onto a coaches list. To get on a coaches list you just need to reach out and establish some type of relationship. How do coaches decide which players make their list of players to watch? Please tell me how coaches won't take a quick peek at the rankings app to determine if the team a player plays on is in the ballpark of what they're looking for. Of course they care about the level the players play at and is why they focus their energy on the top levels as they only have so much time and that is where the best players are (for the most part). The point this poster is making is that they don't just go find the best teams as the top level and focus on watching them. Most players at the top level are good players. They focus their energy on the players they have the relationships with and have gotten on their radar. This allows them to focus their recruiting. So yes, the team level matters but whether or not the team at that level is the best and always winning is less important than how the player manages and performs within the match compared to what the coach wants/needs from that position. And, grades along with volume of players are the top thing. As a matter of fact, many coaches from all levels face constant pressure from their universities to make their rosters larger to capture more tuition money for the school. This happens all the time and many times it is a bit of a battle between how many players the coach wants on the roster vs how many the school pushes them to have in order to drive income. |
Anonymous
That's the contradiction. Some are saying recruiters don't watch teams they watch players and it doesn't matter how good or bad the team is. Ok, if this is true why does it matter which league your kid plays in? You can't have it both ways. We all know truth is that how well team plays in league, how good the player is, what their grades are like, etc all come into play when recruiters choose a player. |
Anonymous
Obviously a player wants to make it to events where recruiters show up. That way there's at least a chance to play in front of the recruiters. Once that happens it's still up to you to play well enough to catch their eye, or at least not scare them off. |
Anonymous
Haven't you noticed that leagues mix events like finals, champions cup, with showcases so teams that didn't make the finals can get looked at by recruiters? In theory this is how players on poor teams are able to get noticed. I'm a firm believer that recruiters care how well a team ranks nationally and in league and that they use these metrics as part of the decision making process. The "coaches recruit players not teams" comments are a bunch of BS made up so crappy team parents can feel better about the money spent. |
Anonymous
It’s both. It doesn’t matter how good or bad your team is but only if the team is going to the big recruiting events, which means they are in the right leagues. Every team in ECNL/GA, even if they are winless, are able to go to the big showcases. Once you are there it’s players not teams that matter. |
Anonymous
| Not every college team is Stanford and can pick the best of the best. There are like 650 NCAA programs, not including Junior college and NAIA. Plenty of coaches have to scout lesser teams for talent that the Stanfords and UNC's won't bother looking at. |
Anonymous
Ok then why does it matter which league GA or ECNL players play in? Try and look at things objectively. There's ECNL parents saying GA is "watering down" the league. But then at the same time they say that "recruiters recruit players not teams" and this is why it doesn't matter if an ECNL team is good or bad. All I see is ridiculous contradictions. What's interesting is you don't see the cultish type behavior with boys. MLSN and ECNL and the other leagues exist at the same time without all the parent back and forth. Maybe it's because for girls there's no professional pathway so everything becomes nuanced with players and parents forced to hype themselves. |